Jeffrey Epstein arrested: Israeli-American pedo ring to be exposed?

@Adobe, I agree with Maria Zakharova. It is pure hell to read the Epstein files. Didn't the Cs say that the Russians can hardly believe the level of depravity in the West or something similar?

Exactly that. That was shortly after the C's confirmed the adrenochrome harvesting and how that is done. The 'Vampire's Ball', which Putin once referred to, hardly seems more appropriate.

Q: (Joe) Do Putin and the members of the Russian government know the extent of the depravity of their Western "partners", as we were just talking about?

A: They can hardly believe it.
 
The Epstein affair should be separated in to the "pedophilia - prostitution - trafficking" part and in to the secret services part. I put pedophilia - prostitution - trafficking in quotes because it's a very complicated discussion. The "pedophilia - prostitution - trafficking" was what brought Epstein into the spotlight and made people interested about him but the most important part is how secret services operate and how close they are with companies and money making.

Concept of pedophilia:
In my mind and I believe in most people's minds pedophilia is when an adult is sexually attracted to children. The vast majority of people will agree that an 8yo or 10yo or 12 yo is child but above 13yo we start to go into a gray area. Some girls that have early puberty (girls enter puberty earlier than boys) are not children by 14yo and some other that have late puberty can be biologically children at 16-17yo. On top of that there is the age difference of the couple. If one is 20-22yo and the other is 16yo I think that most people will not find anything objectionable but if one is 60yo and the other 18yo then many will find it at least weird.

Law:
It's impossible for a law to take individually into account all the biological parameters to distinguish if a person is a child or not. The law has to put a line when childhood ends. In UK the law says that if an adult engages in sexual activity with a person that is 16yo minus 1 hour then he/she is a criminal, a pedophile and a rapist because a 16yo minus 1hr cannot consent. If the person is 16yo plus 1hr then there is no crime. Two hours difference can have life changing consequences.

In the same country (UK) If a person sleeps with 18yo minus 1 hour and pays him/her then it's a crime but if he doesn't pay then everything is legal. If a person is for example 22yo and has a sexual relationship with a 17.5 yo then there is no crime but if the police finds the 22yo to be in a possession of pictures of sexual nature of the 17.5yo then he can be guilty of possession of child pornography.

If an adult travels for example in Turkey and he/she sleeps with an 18yo minus 1 hour it's a crime but if he sleeps with an 18yo plus 1 hour then no crime is committed. On the other hand if someone is in Italy and he/she sleeps with a 14yo minus 1 hr he commits a crime but if the person is 14yo plus 1hr no crime has been committed. Different countries have different laws and laws are very complex.

Law on trafficking in USA:
If for example a person lives in S. Carolina and arranges for a taxi to take a prostitute from a city that is only 5km away from him but happens to be in N. Carolina (another state) then this is considered trafficking but if he arranges for a taxi to take a prostitute from a city that is 100km away but happens to be in the same state no crime has been committed.

Was Epstein a pedophile?
Epstein was interested in girls that were above 14yo although it would not surprise me if he slept with younger than that. Legally this can be considered pedophilia in some countries but not in others. What matters is what the laws in his state were and on this ground he is guilty. His first conviction was about abusing (not having sex) a girl that was 14yo. He payed her to massage him and probably he exposed him or something similar. His second incarceration was about trafficking because he flew girls to his island in a different state. He didn't force anyone to travel there and the girls were payed a lot (I think Giuffrey was payed $15,000) but on the other hand laws are laws.

I believe that what matters in the whole affair is how secret services function and how businesses close to them are making money. The sex scandal was what brought this to light.

I strongly disagree. The whole point is to put people in compromising situations that are either illegal or that most people would find morally reprehensible and cruel despite the law for the purposes of blackmail and control. Even though dirty sickos in question probably willingly engage. The whole point is to target rich people for narrative control and world shaping and, in this instance, probably include the framing of the laws around the age of consent in some countries. If there was any doubt that most people would find these actions cruel, disgusting and evil, then there would be no attempt to keep the activities secret and the photos would be splashed all over magazine pages of the lifestyles of the rich and famous instead of needing years of petitioning to have the files released to the public.
 
The Epstein affair should be separated in to the "pedophilia - prostitution - trafficking" part and in to the secret services part. I put pedophilia - prostitution - trafficking in quotes because it's a very complicated discussion. The "pedophilia - prostitution - trafficking" was what brought Epstein into the spotlight and made people interested about him but the most important part is how secret services operate and how close they are with companies and money making.
No. The rape, sodomizing and even murder of children by a group of Satanists who sit above the law and control governments is what is most important. Anyone who tries to diminish that or claim otherwise is, to me, normalizing pedophilia and other Satanic behavior.

Concept of pedophilia:
In my mind and I believe in most people's minds pedophilia is when an adult is sexually attracted to children. The vast majority of people will agree that an 8yo or 10yo or 12 yo is child but above 13yo we start to go into a gray area. Some girls that have early puberty (girls enter puberty earlier than boys) are not children by 14yo and some other that have late puberty can be biologically children at 16-17yo. On top of that there is the age difference of the couple. If one is 20-22yo and the other is 16yo I think that most people will not find anything objectionable but if one is 60yo and the other 18yo then many will find it at least weird.
You'd be in the minority. You're joining the club of Michael Tracey, Nick Fuentes, and probably all the people who engaged in this behavior by trying to determine fault through age. If that is the company you want to keep, go ahead. But remember, these victims were raped. Children were trafficked and compelled to engage in sexual activities against their will. Some of the were murdered. You can claim otherwise but the evidence is very strong that you are wrong. Trying to determine whether that's okay by whether the victim was 12 years old or 15 years old is completely missing the point. It is also engaging in normalization of pedophilia. That is pathological thinking.

Law:
It's impossible for a law to take individually into account all the biological parameters to distinguish if a person is a child or not. The law has to put a line when childhood ends. In UK the law says that if an adult engages in sexual activity with a person that is 16yo minus 1 hour then he/she is a criminal, a pedophile and a rapist because a 16yo minus 1hr cannot consent. If the person is 16yo plus 1hr then there is no crime. Two hours difference can have life changing consequences. In the same country (UK) If a person sleeps with 18yo minus 1 hour and pays him/her then it's a crime but if he doesn't pay then everything is legal. If a person is for example 22yo and has a sexual relationship with a 17.5 yo then there is no crime but if the police finds the 22yo to be in a possession of pictures of sexual nature of the 17.5yo then he can be guilty of possession of child pornography.
If an adult travels for example in Turkey and he/she sleeps with an 18yo minus 1 hour it's a crime but if he sleeps with an 18yo plus 1 hour then no crime is committed. On the other hand if someone is in Italy and he/she sleeps with a 14yo minus 1 hr he commits a crime but if the person is 14yo plus 1hr no crime has been committed. Different countries have different laws and laws are very complex.
Unnecessarily nitpicking and besides the point. These examples have nothing to do with victims in the Epstein files. Those are the laws that the people of each country saw fit to enact based on what they considered to be morally acceptable.
Law on trafficking in USA:
If for example a person lives in S. Carolina and arranges for a taxi to take a prostitute from a city that is only 5km away from him but happens to be in N. Carolina (another state) then this is considered trafficking but if he arranges for a taxi to take a prostitute from a city that is 100km away but happens to be in the same state no crime has been committed.
Unnecessarily nitpicking and besides the point. These examples have nothing to do with victims in the Epstein files. Those are the laws that the people of each country saw fit to enact based on what they considered to be morally acceptable.
Was Epstein a pedophile?
Epstein was interested in girls that were above 14yo although it would not surprise me if he slept with younger than that.
Others have tried to make that point. The release of photos of young children in the Epstein files show that claim is wholly untrue. I have no idea why you would even attempt to make this argument, unless you want to normalize Epstein's behavior and are clueless about the facts surrounding this whole fiasco. Have you even looked into Pizzagate?

Legally this can be considered pedophilia in some countries but not in others. What matters is what the laws in his state were and on this ground he is guilty. His first conviction was about abusing (not having sex) a girl that was 14yo. He payed her to massage him and probably he exposed him or something similar. His second incarceration was about trafficking because he flew girls to his island in a different state. He didn't force anyone to travel there and the girls were payed a lot (I think Giuffrey was payed $15,000) but on the other hand laws are laws.

I believe that what matters in the whole affair is how secret services function and how businesses close to them are making money. The sex scandal was what brought this to light.
Why anyone would try to defend Epstein is beyond me. Most well-adjusted humans understand the absolute cruelty and evil that is involved in this case. Trying to lessen that by claiming he "only" got a massage or exposed himself is absurd and goes against all the testimony of the victims. Have you read Virginia Guiffre's claims? He didn't force anyone to go there? This is an absurd and cruel statement to make of all the things to say about this horrible tragedy. Imagine if your sister or daughter or son were one of the victims and you said to them, well he just abused you and exposed himself what's the big deal? People who think like that are lost souls. You either need to get right with God or go back to your masters and tell them you failed at your mission here.
 
The concept of rape as of many other things have changed with time. An example is the definition of woman. Up to yesterday woman was someone who was born woman. Today they have tried to legally change it to include men who self-identify as woman. In the same way the definition of rape has changed. In the past in meant having sex by physical force. I think the vast majority of people will agree that if a woman is walking in the woods and an unknown man beats her and has sex with her then this is rape. Again the majority of people will agree that a 8yo child cannot consent in having sex. Above the age of 13 we enter a gray area. Some by 14 will have the mental capacity to consent but others even at 17 will not have the capacity. I emphasize that some at 17 will not have the capacity to consent.

The law cannot make this kind of distinctions as it would be to complex to be implemented. For this reason it puts a line. In UK the line is 16. If an adult has sex with someone that is 16 minus 1 hour then this person is pedophile and rapist. He is rapist even if for example a 16yo girl minus 1hr comes undresses him and sits on top and do all the work. This is how the law works and I recommend to everyone to not be even close to this kind of environment because can have devastating consequences not only to a perpetrator but even for people close to him like family etc. This said, the way the law works in the UK, if tomorrow the law changes can define as rape having sex with someone that you're not married to and can backtrack it to include you and me and our fathers etc. making us all rapists. This is the way the law works. Epstein was in the eyes of the law pedophile and trafficker.
 
Some by 14 will have the mental capacity to consent but others even at 17 will not have the capacity. I emphasize that some at 17 will not have the capacity to consent.


We're talking about about a guy over the age of 50, having sex with teenagers. What's so difficult to see that this is wrong? Can you remember what your mind was like as a teenager? I know I can, and I was a like a kid. I liked Sega games, soccer and music, and knew nothing about sex and relationships. I really can't understand people trying to justify the actions of a predator.
 
The Epstein Files
The Epstein files should be separated in:
  1. Files that have been published:
    • Files that contain correct information
    • Files that contain incorrect information. In these files are claims from people that have some mental issues. For example a girl claimed: "They would have sex with the young women and she was taken from Ireland and brought to Jeffery Epstein
      Island when she was 13 years old. Reported that she was there when Prince Edward was there and
      when Tony Hawk got married on the island." A web search about Tony Hawk reveals that he got married 4 times and that Epstein bought the island in 1998. After 1998 Hawk married in 2006 in Tavarua Surf Island in Fiji 13,000km away from Epstein's island, and 2015 in Ireland hence the information cannot be true. Age Verification | United States Department of Justice
  2. Files that have not been published
On top of the recorded information there are many information that we will never known the same way that all people have information about themselves who only themselves and another person know.
 
We're talking about about a guy over the age of 50, having sex with teenagers. What's so difficult to see that this is wrong? Can you remember what your mind was like as a teenager? I know I can, and I was a like a kid. I liked Sega games, soccer and music, and knew nothing about sex and relationships. I really can't understand people trying to justify the actions of a predator.
People in the past were haunting and burning witches. We all know that witches do not exist. The same way today people are screaming about a non existent pedophilia ring which I'm very happy that they do because it brought to light the Epstein files. These are once in a generation opportunity to have a glimpse for how the elites really work. If you want an important information here it is: "
Robert Maxwell "threatened Mossad.
"Ei= told them that unless they gave him E400million to save his crumblin= empire, he would expose all he had done for
them.
"In that time, he had free access to Margaret Thatcher's Downing Street, t= Ronald Reagan's White House, to the
Kremlin and to the corridors of power throughout Europe.
"Maxwell passed on all the secrets he learned to Mossad in Tel Aviv. In turn, they tolerated his excesses, vanities and
insatiable appetite for a luxurious lifestyle and women.
"He told his controllers who they should target and how they should do it. He appointed himself as Israel's unofficial
ambassador to the Soviet Bloc"
 
The only sensible thing to do is to arrest everyone. I don't care about evidence. Figure it out later. They need to see the inside of an interrogation room. They should be shown on TV handcuffed and put into the back of a police car. Some of these people will crack when they are braced.
After that, put them on one of those planes that go missing through a dimensional curtain and they can spend eternity blipping in and out of existence, going mad eating each other.
 
The law cannot make this kind of distinctions as it would be to complex to be implemented. For this reason it puts a line. In UK the line is 16. If an adult has sex with someone that is 16 minus 1 hour then this person is pedophile and rapist. He is rapist even if for example a 16yo girl minus 1hr comes undresses him and sits on top and do all the work. This is how the law works and I recommend to everyone to not be even close to this kind of environment because can have devastating consequences not only to a perpetrator but even for people close to him like family etc. This said, the way the law works in the UK, if tomorrow the law changes can define as rape having sex with someone that you're not married to and can backtrack it to include you and me and our fathers etc. making us all rapists. This is the way the law works. Epstein was in the eyes of the law pedophile and trafficker.
Law created and pushed by the same type of people! what's your point? all that is irrelevant to what the Epstein's files shows and more so knowing that is just the tip of the iceberg. You are weirdly fixated into terms and "law classifications", never mind the babies and young women being raped and assassinated or tortured. Either you can't cope with the reality of all this monstrosity and your brain is trying to come up with any type of justification or subconsciously you are justifying these type of things.

People in the past were haunting and burning witches. We all know that witches do not exist. The same way today people are screaming about a non existent pedophilia ring which I'm very happy that they do because it brought to light the Epstein files.
This is the most absurd comparation I have read in a long time... and then you keep adding an age verification site for what? I don't think you are in the correct place and just adding noise.
 
I believe that @Mictotron did not try to negate the negative ritualistic aspect, that appears as being a feature, among others, in the case, and that he tried to focus on a point that we know of - secret services, Epstein would be part of intelligence. In such a case, as in the various CIA cases starting from the 1950's, we have been noticing that the CIA created satanic groups - but for a purpose in mind.

Somehow, they wouldn't be interested in the aspects of the rituals themselves, while members would be. I understand it is about control (and domination).

Indeed, there seems to exist an aspect of all the ritualistic thing (and victims), in this Epstein but I don't think it was the motto for his association.

I think reality amounts more into a sort of military team, sitting on desks with computers, headphones, military clothes - "Special Unit 804" or something.

And then, the compromized people would be weak humans, for a part, falling into traps. Some of the Epstein people may be pedocriminals, and I can see a blending there. Epstein may have been a pedophile himself, and engaging into criminal acts with minors. And so would many around him, and some would be billionaires directly participating in the Mossad operation, while others would be STS agents interested in bringing by more STS. Sympathizers of all sorts, with, too, external sympathizers who know nothing. His operation seems to critallize all "harm" possible, thanks to the core of blackmail. It's extensive at will and whichever STS can be integrated in it, in a way.

There may be a bit of all, in the ritualistic aspect: weak-minded individuals, STS beings feeding from such ceremonies, operatives consciously feeding the STS motions so as to amplify it and get success.

The question I am asking myself is: why would one get into such "ritual ceremony" thing? It seems that blackmailing people would grant one more power than it.

Why would Epstein be involved in this (aspect)?

I strongly condemn all things ritualistic & things - but I see that Epstein may have been blackmailing ritual people themselves. That would be an additional layer of STS, and it's really wrong. Is this a STS battle? Ultimately, I can perfectly see how this will end up: the blackmailer being blackmailed. I understand that Epstein would have placed his bets in order to avoid this to fall back on his face. But he cannot escape cosmic motions. He may, be able to avoid the blackmailed people seeking revenge, but not the raw consequences of his actions. Praying for his blackmail turning against him would work wonder, I suppose, because he did a lot of harm to the Planet overall.
 
a non existent pedophilia ring

I think that, unfortunately, there is. This is a reality of our world and the stuff is very pervasive. It seems to constitute a cohesive whole, in the world - and present a bit everywhere. It would be reflective of the STS layer currently on the Planet.

It is my opinion that Epstein was an "element", could be an STS element, literally hovering this "web of rings": like a super agent, dedicated to pull levers & strings at another "level". SImply put, one layer on the Planet is constituted by big ring of abuse - and there are others, one being a layer above this, in which Epstein would be "operating".

As such, he would be definitely extremely familiar (and that would be a requirement for an operation hovering it) with the layer over which he "works". This includes sympathy, activities, participation - but his main focus would still be at another level.

I understood that this meets an idea that you were trying to convey. Some elements of the equation don't match perfectly.
 
Here is the Karen Mulder case, a (Dutch) model and like Gabriela Rico Jiménez she disappeared from the public eye, but in her case she was forcibly committed to a psychiatric hospital for a while after spilling the beans.
There are some indications that Gabriela Rico Jiménez went in that direction too, though rumors mostly.

From the Daily Mirror:
One image has this text:
A caption in a YouTube video of the archived report goes on to offer an account of whereabouts with no citation, one that indicated Jiménez 'was helped' by the DIF Police force. and sent to the psychiatric center of the Buenos Aires colony in Chihuahua (seen here) - where they said she will stay indefinitely until she receives 'Help and can be well cared for'
Chihuahua is a state in northern Mexico. But maybe it is in Monterrey where the event happened. One blog entry from May 2010 with a lot of comments and speculations has a comment in Spanish which translates as:
Psychiatric Hospital Colonia Buenos Aires, Monterrey. People from Mexico and other countries made calls in Spanish. And when he said the name 'Gabriela Rico Jiménez', the psychiatric official became nervous, and when pressured he explained that he could not give information about Gabriela over the phone, only in person.
There is a Buenos Aires section in Monterrey, at least there were some houses for sale. There also is a psychiatric hospital in the Monterrey which has more than one million inhabitants.
One American paper, The Irish Star, carried the story too:
Mexican model's disappearance linked to wild cannibalism accusations against Disney and Royals reignited
The case of Gabriela Rico Jimenez has resurfaced after being told on the Mexico Unexplained podcast. The 21 year old vanished in 2009 after making wild accusations
By
John O'Sullivan Audience editor and Sean McPolin
06:52 ET, 02 Jun 2024
Some celebrity biography pages post details which may not be accurate, though more than one says something similar. The Cityceleb.com has:
Gabriela Rico Jimenez was a Mexican model, humanitarian, and social media influencer who gained international recognition for her stunning beauty, advocacy work, and mysterious disappearance in 2009.

Over a decade in the business, she graced the covers of top fashion magazines, walked the runways for prominent designers, and used her platform to raise awareness about social and political issues.
While some articles say she was 21 at the time, the bio says she was born on February 12, 1986, which is more consistent with what she says in the video about 2001, as reported by the Mirror:
'I was in Mexico City for a year and four months,' she continues, shouting in Spanish. 'All this began in mid 2001. I barely remember.'
Her parents are listed in the bio as Carlos Rico (father), Maria Jimenez (mother) with two siblings, Carlos Rico Jr. (brother), Ana Rico (sister). It is said both parents were educators. From her delivery in the video, I can believe that.

It is hard to find good videos of what she said the night she was taken away. This video in Spanish has some of it:
DESAPARECIÓ Y NO DEJÓ RASTRO | Caso Gabriela Rico Jiménez
From Mexico Unexplained there is this report from 2022 which seems to have been use as a source for some of the main stream articles.
 
More thoughts and to clarify. This doesn't mean certain people would be protected/given a pass indefinitely. It could be a matter of letting things develop over time to allow for the best outcome. Sometimes the best method for success is not to push aggressively ahead on a straight line where many difficulties result but to follow a more zig zag like pattern over time allowing for a more easy success and avoiding conflict. There must be an I Ching hexagram in there somewhere :-).

All speculation of course.
I don't think Trump is capable of that level of planning—of seeing things that way (although I kind of like the idea, not really that much; the matter is delicate and needs a more practical approach, or else many could get away with it). I'm more inclined to believe he's just clumsily trying to contain all of this as much as possible because, in his view, he needs to maintain influence on his side to carry out his agenda, which doesn't prevent him from falling further and further into disrepute. He's helping to cover up for pedophiles! There's only one way the public will interpret that.

Just to give an example, he might unleash this whole affair when his term is about to end, if he even makes it that far and if he dares to confront the threats hanging over him.
 
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