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Judy, what was your basis for using the term "channeling fraud?" I mean "factual basis", not "emotional basis" or "manipulative basis".>
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This is not clear. Please explain.JudeA said:Judy, what was your basis for using the term "channeling fraud?" I mean "factual basis", not "emotional basis" or "manipulative basis".>
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It seems you didn't answer the question. Why do you continue to try and send your e-mails NOW or even before, after Lisa explicitly told you several times that she doesn't want to get any of your e-mails and she blocked your e-mail address. It's really interesting because if I would get a similar answer from a person as you've got from Lisa, I would get a hint and wouldn't try to embarrass myself by pretending that we are still buddies or close friends who used to laugh together on a balcony. She doesn't want anything with you, so where is your self-respect?JudeA said:We were having a "back and forth" I was blocked for awhile. However, after a fashion, I wrote a note about the show and I was no longer blocked (in other words, I no longer got the customary message) I did, however, get messages from sending mail to Victor .....so I figured Lisa no longer had me blocked.
Edgar Cayce's remark about Mongols was as follows:In the year 1999 and seven months
From the sky will come the Great King of Terror,
Raising again the great king of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars (war) reigns at his pleasure. X.72
Now, it strikes me that the quatrain from Nostradamus could very well be a description of the 9/11 event given in a kind of code. Obviously, 9/11 happened in 2001, not 1999, but if you deal with the number numerologically, you end up with 1. And then, you have "seven months" or the "seventh month" or SEPTember.If there is not the acceptance in America of the closer brotherhood of man, the love of the neighbor as self, civilization must wend its way westward - and again must Mongolism, must a hated people be raised.
Now, notice that the context for this assertion of forgetfulness as assurance of genocidal success was in invocation of Genghis Khan and Mongolian bloodshed. The Mongolian reference goes further than the Armenian: mass murder is not merely forgotten (as in the case of the Armenians) but becomes (in the case of the Khan) the foundation for an exalted reputation as a "state builder." Hitler was invoking Genghis Khan as a role model for the successful, triumphal mass murderer, the Ur-precedent for genocide, the model he set for his troops to follow."Our strength is in our quickness and our brutality. Genghis Khan had
millions of women and children killed by hiw own will and with a gay heart.
History sees in him only a great state builder. Thus, for the time being, I
have sent to the east only my Death's Head units with orders to kill without
pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish race or lineage. Only
in such a way will we win the vital space that we need. Who still talks in
our day of the extermination of the Armenians?"
In other words, we seem to be quite often "critically correcting" things that are not just "technical" differences, but things which are fundamental differences of principle."In the course of preparing the chapters of this book devoted to Israel's human rights record in the Occupied Territories, I went through literally thousands of pages of human rights reports, published by multiple, fiercely independent, and highly professional organizations - Amnesty International, Human Rights Watchs, B'Tselem (Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories), Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, Physicians for Human Rights - Israel - each fielding its own autonomous staff of monitors and investigators.
Except on one minor matter, I didn't come across a single point of law or fact on which these human rights organizations differed.
In the case of Israel's human rights record, one can speak today not just of a broad consensus - as on historical questions - but of an UNQUALIFIED consensus.
All these organizations agreed, for example, that Palestinian detainees have been sytematically ill treated and tortured, the total number now probably reaching the tens of thousands.
Yet if, as I've suggested, broad agreement has been reached on the FACTUAL record, an obvious anomaly arises: what accounts for the impassioned controversy that still swirls around the Israel-Palestine conflict?
To my mind, explaining this apparent paradox requires, first of all, that a fundamental distinction be made between those controversies that are real and those that are contrived.
To illustrate real differences of opinion, let us consider again the Palestinian refugee question.
It is possible for interested parties to agree on the facts yet come to diametrically opposed moral, legal, and political conclusions.
Thus, as already mentioned, the scholarly consensus is that Palestinians were ethnically cleansed in 1948.
Israel's leading historian on the topic, Benny Morris, although having done more than anyone else to clarify exactly what happened, nonetheless concludes that, morally, it was a good thing - just as, in his view, the "annihilation" of Native Americans was a good thing - that, legally, Palesitnians have no right to return to their homes, and that, politically, Israel's big error in 1948 was that it hadn't "carried out a large expulsion and cleansed the whole country - the whole Land of Israel, as far as the Jordan" of Palestinians.
However repellant morally, these clearly can't be called FALSE conclusions.
Returning to the universe inhabited by normal human beings, it's possible for people to concur on the facts as well as on their moral and legal implications, yet still reach divergent POLITICAL conclusions.
Noam Chomsky agrees that, factually, Palestinians were expelled; that, morally, this was a major crime; and that, legally, Palestinians have a right of return. Yet, politically, he concludes that implementation of this right is infeasible and pressing it inexpedient, indeed, that dangling this (in his view) illusory hope before Palestianian refugees is deeply immoral.
There are those, contrariwise, who maintain that a moral and legal right is meaningless unless it can be exercised and that implementing the right of return is a practical possibility.
For our purposes, the point is not who's right and who's wrong but that, even among honest and decent people, there can be a real and legitimate differences of political judgment.
This having been said, however, it bears emphasis that - at any rate, among those sharing ordinary moral values - the range of political disagreement is quite narrow, while the range of agreement quite broad."
This is what Ponerology is designed to study, the questions that it is set up to answer.What are the relations of language to the murderous falsehoods it has been made to articulate and haoolow in certain totalitarian regimes? Or to the great load of vulgarity, imprecision, and greed it is charged with in a mass-consumer democracy? ...
I realize that historians are right when they say that barbarism and political savagery are endemic in human affairs. ... My own consciousness is possessed by the eruption of barbarism in modern Europe; by the mass murder of the Jews and by the destruction under Nazism and Stalinism of what I try to define as the particular genius of "Central European humanism."...
The blackness of it did not spring up in the Gobi desert or the rain forests of the Amazon. It rose from within, and from the core of European civilization. The cry of the murdered sounded in the earshot of the universities; the sadism went on a street away from the theaters and museums... the high places of literacy, of philosophy, or artistic expression, became the setting for Belsen.
I cannot accept the facile comfort that this catastrophe was a purely German phenomenon or some calamitous mishap rooted in the persona of one or another totalitarian ruler. Ten years after the Gestapo quit Paris, the contrymen of Voltaire were torturing Algerians and each other in some of the same police cellars. ...
We know now that a man can read Goethe or Rilke in the evening, that he can play Bach and Schubert, and go to his day's work at Auschwitz in the morning. ...
In what way does this knowledge bear on literature and society, on the hope ... that culture is a huanizing force, that the energies of spirit are transferable to those of conduct?
...The established media of civilization - the universities, the arts, the book world - failed to offer adequate resistance to political bestiality; they often rose to welcome it and to give it ceremony and apologia. ...
Why?
What are the links between the mental, psychological habits of high literacy and the temptations of the inhuman?
"Brian Harring" is another of the pseudonyms of 'Gregory Douglas' aka
'Walter Storch', the proprietor of "TBR News":
http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a2547.htm
This man has a long and well known record as, Mark Weber's words, "a
known fabricator of documents who has used a variety of names over the
years, including Peter Stahl, Samuel Prescot Bush, and Freiherr Von
Mollendorf. His real name, apparently, is Peter Norton Birch or Peter
Norwood Burch."
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n2p40_Douglas.html
Incidentally there is a real Brian Harring, who nearly lost his career
and got Gitmoised as a result of the 'Gregory Douglas' etc appropriation
of his name:
http://gentooexperimental.org/~ferringb/blog/archives/2005-07.html#e2005-07-10T00_43_59.txt
"Update: Aparently there is
another Brian Harring who is the real author - amazing the crap you have
to go through to clear up a point- must admit the clarification from
their end was pretty much a middle finger, but neh, so it goes."
All this was thrashed out among revisionists a year or so ago. Not that
it matters ; the project of embargoing this person is pointless, what
one should do is confront his patron, Willis Carto.
Irving's own pages on him are here:
http://fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving/Peter_Stahl/
Read the blog item at:
http://gentooexperimental.org/~ferringb/blog/archives/2005-07.html#e2005-07-10T00_43_59.txt
note especially the thread of emails between him and the perpetrator
http://gentooexperimental.org/~ferringb/long_term_saving/lifted_name/email
whom he identifies as Storch/Douglas/Stahl/etc. Walter Storch is the
name the guy uses as editor of TBR News, which is where the fake "Brian
Harring" stories appear.
It actually feels that way from this side also. I've written about this extensively, that there seem to be two broad divisions of human beings and each "type" literally lives in a different "reality bubble" and never the twain shall meet. So, the best way to understand the interaction is that it is an attempt to discover which reality bubble you live in, if there is colinearity. As Finkelstein wrote:JudeA said:Doesn't it appear as if I am on trial?... Sometimes I feel as if I am not communicating at all.
It seems that the range of disagreement between us is quite broad and the range of agreement quite narrow. Just the way it is. My suggestion is that people should hang around with their own kind. And I don't mean "kind" in terms of color, religion, ethnicity, or whatnot. I mean "own kind" in a very interior sense of the word.This having been said, however, it bears emphasis that - at any rate, among those sharing ordinary moral values - the range of political disagreement is quite narrow, while the range of agreement quite broad."
So, he did not use the term "fraud". You did it. That tells us enough about what quality to expect from all the other stuff that you ever wrote.JudeA said:In answer to Ark's question.
John K told me about Laura. He said that she channeled herself in the future and he laughed about it.
I remembered Thorbiorn did some research on this person in another thread. The thread is http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1072Laura said:Rec. an interesting email this morning from a correspondent who is not aware of this present discussion. He does research and doesn't have much time for forums. Anyway, the email was not exclusively to me; it was to several people he communicates with now and again and to whom he occasionally sends interesting links. Today's cache was quite synchronous. Ya'll might want to check the links out that he includes. (TBR and AFP are run by the same group):
"Brian Harring" is another of the pseudonyms of 'Gregory Douglas' aka
'Walter Storch', the proprietor of "TBR News":
"Brian Harring" is another of the pseudonyms of 'Gregory Douglas' aka
'Walter Storch', the proprietor of "TBR News":
http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a2547.htm
This man has a long and well known record as, Mark Weber's words, "a
known fabricator of documents who has used a variety of names over the
years, including Peter Stahl, Samuel Prescot Bush, and Freiherr Von
Mollendorf. His real name, apparently, is Peter Norton Birch or Peter
Norwood Burch."
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n2p40_Douglas.html
Incidentally there is a real Brian Harring, who nearly lost his career
and got Gitmoised as a result of the 'Gregory Douglas' etc appropriation
of his name:
http://gentooexperimental.org/~ferringb … _43_59.txt
Thorbiorn wrote it on 20060411, and a few things have come to light since then.thorbiorn said:Life is very interesting and surprising. I did NOT expect to end up with so many intrigues, feuds, lies, and manipulations which I could not help but uncover when I began searching after reading Godot's post. Today I continue hoping to bring the work to some conclusions.
A Dr. Karl Kolcheck has written a strong critique against David Irving, see http://www.davidirving.8m.com/ called "Suffering Fools Gladly? David Irving & Revisionism" which I found via http://oracknows.blogspot.com/2004/12/living-forever.html where it is listed as: "David Irving debunked" under the heading "Combating Holocaust denial" There you will also find a long list of sites about how to do that, if you like to study further.
When I looked on Googel it turned out that Dr. Karl Kolcheck's article is mirrored on many of websites. Having learned a bit of a lesson from posting the link to the books of David Irving, I decided to find out who this Dr. Kolcheck is. Google gave quite few listing, I began to doubt the person existed, and the suspicions turned out to be supported, especially as I looked at http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/StahlDouglas.html where Germar Rudolf refers to him in note 34 and 46. He writes:
Footnotes to Germar Rudolf's article:Stahl has repeatedly stated that he possessed these documents and had posted them on his website. The names appearing there are: Walter Storch,[33] Karl Kolcheck,[34] George S. MacAlister.[35] ...
The charge that Stahl initiated personal attacks under cover of pseudonyms is valid, as shown by his sometimes tasteless, below-the-belt attacks on Irving.[46] However, they occurred only after Irving's attacks on Stahl had been published.
Germar Rudolf on David Irving:[34]: This name is given as the author of an article about, which is almost identical with the one posted at www.gregorydouglas.com, but in this case, the author is G. Douglas.
[46] Cf. his article under the pen name Karl Kolcheck, note 34
What is the link between Gregory Douglas and Peter Stahl? Germar Rudolf writes:Evaluation
David Irving has earned the reputation of suing everyone who dares to say anything uncomplimentary about him. As a consequence, the matters which we mention here in passing have never come to the surface. Since I have no desire to expose myself to David Irving's malicious attacks and ruinous lawsuits, I will abstain from evaluating his person as well as the nature of his charges against Gregory Douglas/Peter Stahl. The facts will have to speak for themselves. ...
Furthermore, Irving is mistaken when he claims that Stahl has a compulsion to be acknowledged as an author and historian; Irving is describing himself when he asserts that. Unfortunately, Stahl's desire to be taken seriously is sadly underdeveloped.
What about Stahl? Germar Rudolf:In other words, Weber's and Irving's charges represent unproven, apparently unprovable accusations. Stahl could charge them with defamation if he were so minded. All three are chronically broke, however. Stahl is unable to sue either Weber or Irving because he could never rake up enough money for a trial. The same goes for Gregory Douglas, Stahl's son, who is vilified in the same breath as his father. However, he has already won several civil suits with corresponding monetary damages.
...Stahl casually reveals much to those whom he instinctively trusts. This includes documents and material evidence, plus eyewitness accounts of his trusted friends, who affirm everything he says. However, he certainly does not share with those who insult him and call him a liar, counterfeiter, swindler, etc.
Stahl has a terrible reputation for dealing ruthlessly with those who make his life difficult. He has ways of ruining their economic and social lives by means which are legal and yet very effective. As a trained secret agent with many influential connections he has both the abilities and opportunities to do this. He seems to derive real pleasure from carrying on private feuds.