/me-myself on page 13 of this thread said:
Judy Andreas said:
WOW...
there is a lot to answer here.
First let me talk with Laura. I have saved The Controversy of Zion and have every intention of reading it.
I am still recovering from my cataract surgery and the Net is a bit of a struggle. The other night I was on until 2:30 writing my Rachel Corrie essay and it was pure torture on my eyes. I may have to take the book in sections and print it out.
I know that you do not think I am a psychopath. You may see me as a bit gullible and a fence sitter, but I feel, from your investment in me so far, that you can tell where my heart is. I appreciate this, since I know that John K led you astray by confusing me with the gay wiccan Judy Andreas on the coast (and sundry other lies about me) . He knew damn well what he was doing, but I sure as hell do not.
i've been following this thread lazily. that quote above made 'ping' for me.
i doubt that any amount of quotes, explanations, citations, information, books for review ... provided by laura will do much to bring the gist of what it is all about
to ms. andreas. my impression is that the following of this thread is an excercise in sapping energy from the other people on the forum
on her part, by way of involving people in futile and fruitless discussions.
it was just a 'ping' after 12 pages of thread. it's just a feeling at this time and i may be wrong. but the 'ping' was there for me.
that is what i said on page 13 of this thread, plus some emphasis added after looking back. my impression has not changed. i know such people as ms. andreas in RL. they always appear on scene when people get together to do things, and always /somehow/ manage put themselves at the center of any group endeavour if not shooed away fast enough. what is salient about such individua is their conspicuous and insistent ignorance, the reason for my post quoted above.
from my experience(s) in RL:
- they represent to not know and ask you to explain things to them. when you explain, your explanations are put in doubt, countered with factoids or "... but (somebody else, putative authority) said that its not so ..." or otherwise negated. when presented with sources affirming what you are trying to explain them (as here), whatever you present as facts or supporting evidence is found "very interesting" or "noteworthy" or "worth discussion" and then always an excuse comes up to either delay its examination or mothball and forget it.
- their ignorance is so glaring and their 'grasp' of reality so contrary to logic that one (me at least) has to hold back the natural impulse to explain things to them, even for for the N-th time.
- when you ask them for information (or anything else), they dont have it, the don't know, they "will come back to you", they tell you obvious lies or give patently stupid answer.
- when you ask them direct questions they dont answer, or when pressed answer in evasives, garbage, or become angry.
- they will ask you something "in confidence" and then proceed to snitch you out (or ask for money or a book you value or something else and not give it back).
- they will always, and repeatedly, find ways to embarass you or do things which irritate you, even after you tell them repeatedly that you don't like what they are saying about or doing to you.
- they will always be "friends with everybody" and so slime their way into any group, because always people fall for them and their friendly-at-first-glance exterior who dont understand that the ignorance of such people is insuperable, 'built-in' or hard-wired, so to say.
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does that 'package' compare with ms. andreas apparition here in any way ?
i've had all that and more, in parts or the full package, repeatedly, IRL. it is exactly what i see in ms. andreas and her intervention here. in this i see myself as spot-on on page 13. where i erred was to be rash and dismiss her out of disgust about what i was seeing, to not understand this thread as an 'in-vivo' research project much earlier.
still, i'd like to add
a question to ms. andreas to Lisa's list above:
- why, exactly, do you talk against the 'other' judy andreas in such a despective way, superficially qualifying her as a "wiccan, lesbian" (IIRC) ?
i ask because i've been looking up info on that person and she comes across as somebody rather very normal, centered, responsible. from what i've seen, she is a middle-age, blue-collar-working woman (as she characterizes herself) working on a degree at the WISR (www.wisr.edu) in berkeley, california.
from here: http://www.facingachallenge.com/judy.htm i quote her:
The 'other' Judy Andreas said:
Judy Andreas, Director of Catalyst to Coalition, founded the organization in 2004 to present the first FACING A CHALLENGE WITHIN conference in Oakland, California. She is a lifelong grassroots activist with experience in multicultural, feminist, neighborhood, anti-oppression, disability rights, queer, and environmental organizing. Her belief in solidarity across differences in privilege has led her to use her privilege as a secular Christian in confronting anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and prejudice against other traditionally oppressed groups.
For many years, Judy studied international history and culture as an independent scholar while employed in blue collar service positions. She is a member of Service Employees International Union and is currently a doctoral candidate pursuing her Ph.D. in the area of anti-Semitism and The Left. She sees anti-Jewish bias once again being used to divide natural allies and weaken the social justice/ social change movements of the U.S. and the world.
and then, from same page, a clarification she felt necessary to publish:
* In my work confronting anti-Semitism I've encountered many attempts to demoralize me and others doing this work. There is now an attempt to confuse the progressive public about "Judy Andreas." A person or persons unknown to me has been blogging and publishing under my name, and has even took out my name as a domaine name. In an attempt to interfere with the work of fighting anti-Semitism, they associate "Judy Andreas" with both Left and extreme Right Wing ideologies condemning Jews and Israel. Please contact me at the telephone number and email address on this site to determine the validity of any writing or activity associated with "Judy Andreas."
bold in both cases mine. the creation date of the domain 'judyandreas.com' is interesting in light of this disclaimer: "Creation Date: 13-Oct-2004".
another question in light of this: it was mentioned on this thread that /JudeA/ went had another family name before. Since when does she use the name "Judy Andreas" and how/whence did she acquire it ?
i looked a bit further about the 'other' JA, and what i found was that she at some point got interested in the topic of anti-semitism and was discouraged from even looking into the issue by people around her. she did not let them disuade her and instead organized a conference to talk about the issue in 2004 - proceedings can be found online.
i've been reading a some material from both judy andreases, who could not be more different as i see them. one the reasonable, serious community level activist honestly interested in political issues and trying to make a forum to discuss them available to people with similar interests only to get herself rejected and generally smeared, the other one a befriender of 'interesting' characters of the disinfo scene and writer of superficial and polarizing pieces apparently designed to drown out voices like the 'other' judy andreas and to generally sow discord.
i wonder very much what /that/ judy andreas would have to say re this thread and her namesake's appearance.
P.S.: i want to add, for clarity, that the activities of the 'other' JA ... lets just say for now that i distance myself from those contents.
