Jordan Peterson: Gender Pronouns and Free Speech War

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BREAKING:

Putin signs law banning ‘sex change’ in Russia

President Vladimir Putin has signed a law banning legal sex change and medical transitioning in Russia

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I wonder what are the details of that Russian program seeking to entice immigrants?

'Putler' Strikes Again: Signs Law Banning "Gender Reassignment" In Russia | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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'Putler' Strikes Again: Signs Law Banning "Gender Reassignment" In Russia
BY TYLER DURDEN
MONDAY, JUL 24, 2023 - 03:20 PM

After a long time in process, Russia has implemented a law banning gender reassignment surgeries, which also includes legislation barring transgenders from adopting children.

President Vladimir Putin signed the new law into effect Monday, making attempts to "change sex" via surgical procedures or other medical interventions like hormones illegal.

The law prevents "medical interventions aimed at changing the sex of a person" and makes "the state registration of a change of gender without an operation" illegal. This means a person's gender cannot be changed on legal documents such as birth records, as is happening in some instances in the West.

This would also apply to all identifying documents such as passports, which would only reflect the true biological sex of a person.

It passed both houses of Russian parliament rather quickly earlier in July, and has now become law of the land with Putin's signature.

There is a key exception to the law - it doesn't apply in cases of medical intervention to treat congenital anomalies, such as the rare condition of Hermaphroditism.

When first proposed the law had been framed as being necessary to protect traditional family values, per TASS:

The bill was initiated by speaker of the Russian State Duma (lower house of parliament) Vyacheslav Volodin and the leaders of the five factions.

During a meeting of the Council of Legislators in April, Volodin asked lawmakers to submit their proposals to address issues linked with gender-affirmation matters. Russian Justice Minister Konstantin Chuichenko told TASS earlier that a ban on changing gender in passports and other documents would be one of the first steps to enshrine family values into national law.

As for treating potential birth abnormalities in children, the bill's language says this intervention is allowable "upon a decision from a medical commission of a federal state-run public health institution."

Already, Russian has strong laws against what's dubbed "LGBTQ propaganda" - which is intended particularly protect children.

Last December, President Putin signed into law a bill that expanded on prior legislation. After this, it became illegal to publicly promote same-sex relationships, or to present non-heterosexual orientations as "normal", according to CNN reporting at the time.

Putin has in recent years grown bolder in his rhetoric condemning the encroaching "values" of the West, and previously spread in Russia via NGOs operating under deceptive means. Top Kremlin officials have also repeatedly echoed that NATO's expansion east reflects a broader trend of the West seeking to destroy traditional Russian Orthodox Christian values.

But to be expected, Western media reports are seeing in this new law yet another 'Putler' moment and example of a "tyrant' cracking down on Russians' "freedom".

 

[Niall]

Boom!

JP has 'gone there' - he's beginning to discuss the role of psychopaths in socio-political downturns...

Edit: This may not be the first time he has articulated something akin to political psychopathy - it's just the first time I've noticed it. Back in January he cited journalist Michael Schellenberger's Twitter review of Political Ponerology, which strongly suggests he will by now have read it himself... though we still await confirmation on that!

 

[Chu]

Hmm, I only listened to a bit of it, but downloaded the transcript, and I don't get the impression that he has read PP yet. Or that if he has, he refuses to discuss it for whatever reason. It sounds more like, if anything, he only read the Preface, where Hare is quoted. Although even that may be a stretch, since says that the distinction between a sociopath and a psychopath is irrelevant (and it was explained in the Preface as well, and would have been useful to his analysis later on). And he doesn't go at all into anything from PP, just Hare, and briefly at that. I guess we wait and see...

Transcript attached, if anyone prefers it.

 

[Niall]

Hmm, I only listened to a bit of it, but downloaded the transcript, and I don't get the impression that he has read PP yet. Or that if he has, he refuses to discuss it for whatever reason. It sounds more like, if anything, he only read the Preface, where Hare is quoted. Although even that may be a stretch, since says that the distinction between a sociopath and a psychopath is irrelevant (and it was explained in the Preface as well, and would have been useful to his analysis later on). And he doesn't go at all into anything from PP, just Hare, and briefly at that. I guess we wait and see...

Transcript attached, if anyone prefers it.

Right, but it's clear from the way JP was discussing psychopaths, 'the divisive political battles', Trudeau, etc., that he was referring to the overall essential point of PP: psychos periodically take over and ruin everything...

 

[Nienna]

I am confident these companies know exactly what they are doing, but are being asked or told to go along with the agenda and to take the profit loss from the divisiveness on the chin. These are circus distractions.

Indeed, they are and do. They, most likely, belong to the ESG. I've read that both Anheuser-Busch and Target belong to it. Here's an explanation of the ESG:

What is ESG (Environmental, Social and Governance)?​

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ESG means “environmental, social and governance,” and represents a more stakeholder-centric approach to doing business. ESG is set on the principle that the environment is only one factor in determining an organization's commitment to sustainability. As ESG increasingly becomes top of mind for directors, it’s essential to consider the global nuances that drive focus region by region. Companies that adhere to environmental, social and governance standards agree to conduct themselves ethically in those three areas, and can draw on a range of strategies, tactics and ESG solutions.

If these companies don't adhere to the principles of the ESG, their funding is cut. And, of course, the ESG is part of (let's all say it together now) the Great Reset.

 

[Ben]

Hmm, I only listened to a bit of it, but downloaded the transcript, and I don't get the impression that he has read PP yet. Or that if he has, he refuses to discuss it for whatever reason. It sounds more like, if anything, he only read the Preface, where Hare is quoted. Although even that may be a stretch, since says that the distinction between a sociopath and a psychopath is irrelevant (and it was explained in the Preface as well, and would have been useful to his analysis later on). And he doesn't go at all into anything from PP, just Hare, and briefly at that. I guess we wait and see...

Transcript attached, if anyone prefers it.

@T.C. was pretty convinced he has read it after watching him on Joe Rogan. I haven't had time to listen to that show myself.

I’m on my break at work and decided to put the JP Rogan podcast on.

He’s read Ponerology.

I’m only 12 mins in and I already have 6 time stamps in my notes that mention things related to PP.

I’m going to listen to the whole thing when I have time and list them all as soon as I can.

The last one, for example, at 11mins, he talks about the concept of ‘elders’: “who gets to be an elder? What is an elder?”

He’s read it.

 

[Joe]

Peterson has a tendency to engage in the "noble savage" idea, which is a good starting point for analyzing myth because it allows for potential value in religious/spiritual texts, but he goes to far in this direction with his analysis of the OT bible. The attempt to separate myth and history is necessary, but interpretations of the OT bible tend to historicise spiritual teachings and spiritualize historical events.

The OT is a mish mash of disparate spiritual teachings, historical events and spiritual teachings based on 'historical' events that didn't happen in this reality, all of which are inverted and conflated. For example, "adam and eve" is an origin story that didn't happen historically in 3D, but is representative of something that did happen in/from a different reality.

Exodus, for example, is a historical event that is inflated into a heroic episode for the purpose of aggrandizing the "Jewish people" but that was much more mundane in reality. At the same time, the story was informed by dramatic historical events, like a semi-global cataclysm (eruption of Thera).

 

[Ryan]

Right, but it's clear from the way JP was discussing psychopaths, 'the divisive political battles', Trudeau, etc., that he was referring to the overall essential point of PP: psychos periodically take over and ruin everything...

I felt like Peterson wanted to say more on the topic, but the conversation then sort of steered away from it. He did briefly make a reference to it again later in the conversation, so it does seem like Peterson has grasped the essential idea. Still, given Peterson's ability to integrate knowledge and some of the unique concepts in PP, I would have thought his discussion might show a more distinct 'signature' if he had fully read it. Perhaps Chu is correct; he may have only read the first portion of the book so far.

Slightly off-topic: I've always felt somewhat ambivalent about Bill Maher's style of comedy, but I gained a bit of respect for him from this interview. Peterson asked him some quite deeply personal questions and he fronted up with honest answers. So, kudos to him.

 

[JEEP]

JP has 'gone there' - he's beginning to discuss the role of psychopaths in socio-political downturns...

Just started watching this from where it started in the interview and couldn't help but think what JP says describes Andrew Tate to a T! Interesting his remarks about the Machiavellian aspects in regards to an interview and I wonder if Tate's interview with Carlson reflects those points. I find Tate extremely hard to stomach, so not sure I'm up to re-watching that interview (I only watched the beginning portion initially) to see if these Machiavellian traits are, in fact, exhibited.

 

[Joe]

Nice to see.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685107742644826112

 

[Joe]

JP isn't happy with the climate alarmists either.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685114091659304963

 

[JEEP]

Bud Lights Dylan Mulvaney Fiasco Such a Disaster Its Going to Be Taught in College Business Classes

Bud Light executives still may not have learned their lesson after losing billions over their ill-advised partnership with a transgender activist, but it looks like college students just might.

“Shark Tank” star Kevin O’Leary appeared on “Fox & Friends” on Monday and said he intends to cover the Bud Light fiasco in his business school classes.

The investor said that Bud Light’s losses have been so massive that it was previously “impossible to even dream” that such a fall could occur.

“This is an extraordinary case, and one I’ll be teaching in business schools across America this fall,” O’Leary told the hosts.

“Beer is essentially the same. What differentiates it is brand. … You have to ask yourself on a campaign that really brings you into a discussion around gender identity, ‘Is that the right thing for my beer brand?’” O’Leary said.

 

[Voyageur]

Kevin O’Leary

Had not heard his name for some time. He's an old Canadian - was on a different economic reality show for awhile, can't recall the name, and see he is now all over Fox News - like here discussing ESG's after Elon Musk raised a question (the monopolization of the two companies that push it i.e., the big one, BlackRock, and ESG's are part of Bud Lite's boondoggle and Target's). He and his wife - or more so his wife, was involved in some kind of boating accident (at night) where there was a double fatality. She was cleared of wrong doing. Here, the WEF picked up his writing, or he wrote for them in 2015 - one never nows what that looks like.

Kevin had also taken a brief run at politics in Canada, and he had been on a CBC show with Lang - Lang & O'Leary, and then he quit. He is dead set against carbon taxes, or he was.

Here is his Bud Lite talk:

 

[Adobe]

O'Leary caught my attention about a decade ago, and has become a perennial speaker every since. Here's my favorite clip. Its 10 min long, and you can start at minute 1:30 (Here, he is appearantly defending Monsanto)

Watch this 14 Year Old GMO Activist Smackdown This Bullying 'Shark Tank' Entrepreneur​

 

[Glenn]

I saw this video pop up in my feed, and I didn't recognize the channel, but decided to watch it. He is analyzing an interview of Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy. I thought he brought out some very good points, and really exposes the hypocrisy that is embedded in the language they speak. And how basing everything on an ideology is really basing everything on a lie, an illusion. The opposite of objective reality. 15 min video.