Just had a terrifying experience

I also had some of these experiences starting on Christmas evening and some days after, which I tried to counter with pipe breathing and POTS. It felt like an outside attack but I am no longer sure about this. It could also have been an internal struggle, deletion of programs by EE or something of the kind. Since then everything has calmed down. My mind is much calmer than before and there is little to no noise from little i's. This is why I think it possibly was an internal affair.

Good luck, Pai!
 
WIN 52 said:
Psyche - can NAC help with chest phlegm, in general. Three years of detox has helped significantly, but the chest phlegm continues. Dr's call it "gorp", with no suggestion for a cure. My dad passed away one year ago. He also had a bad case of gorp. The Dr's said lung cancer, but they had no tests proving cancer.

Hi WIN 52,

Yes, NAC can help with chest phlegm, it makes it easier to expel. I imagine you cut out dairy and gluten from your diet. Dairy, specially, is "phlegm inducing." Some have problems with bananas too in this sense.

Hope it clears out.
 
Psyche said:
Terrifying experience indeed! But strengthening and cleansing. It might well have a connection to your health.

For the chest problem, you can increase your dose of vitamin C and take also some N-acetylcysteine (NAC) which you can get in the pharmacy, at least depending on your location. NAC helps to "clean" the chest and it has the plus of being a super anti-oxidant which helps to detoxify as well. You can take it 4 times a day (or depending on symptoms) for some days to see how it goes, I think it can make a difference.

Sending you more strength and courage :flowers:

I've also experienced similar episodes in the past - and usually when I was in poor physical health. I haven't been through something like it in a while but I remember that what seemed to help me was to turn my fear into anger. Really strong, righteous and casting out anger.

Courage to you. :flowers:
 
Andromeda said:
I haven't been through something like it in a while but I remember that what seemed to help me was to turn my fear into anger. Really strong, righteous and casting out anger.
I second this as it is also my experience
 
Thanks Psyche! Yes to the dairy, gluten and sugar elimination from the diet, which has helped. The flow continues at a reduced rate. All the detox since 2007 has helped expell this, but the root of the problem persists.

I have been focusing on parasites as the root problem. Thread worms to name one and flukes to name another, both of which I have seen samples issued from my body. That was only after a year of heavy detox without the dietary alterations. I took parazyne, a renewlife product, for over a year before seeing those samples. Now, I am on Candizyne and doing the full detox program for Candita every 3 months, pro-biotics from renewlife and Acai. Oh yes, 1 lemon, 1oz rum, 1/2tsp Cinnamon, 1tsp honey and 1/2tsp butter & hot water, (some times 2) before bed.

My family are all wondering what I have been doing lately and say they have never seen me looking so good in the past 10 years. Something is working, but lasting results are illusive and the battle rages on.
 
WIN 52 said:
Thanks Psyche! Yes to the dairy, gluten and sugar elimination from the diet, which has helped. The flow continues at a reduced rate. All the detox since 2007 has helped expell this, but the root of the problem persists.

I have been focusing on parasites as the root problem. Thread worms to name one and flukes to name another, both of which I have seen samples issued from my body. That was only after a year of heavy detox without the dietary alterations. I took parazyne, a renewlife product, for over a year before seeing those samples. Now, I am on Candizyne and doing the full detox program for Candita every 3 months, pro-biotics from renewlife and Acai. Oh yes, 1 lemon, 1oz rum, 1/2tsp Cinnamon, 1tsp honey and 1/2tsp butter & hot water, (some times 2) before bed.

My family are all wondering what I have been doing lately and say they have never seen me looking so good in the past 10 years. Something is working, but lasting results are illusive and the battle rages on.

For worms have you tried any of these?

* Black Walnut
* Wormword
* Clove
* Tansy Tea
* Hagenia
* Kaljoni (Nigella sativa seeds)
* Male Fern
* Garlic

You can also do garlic enemas by blending one clove in a glass or so of water.
 
Perceval said:
You can also do garlic enemas by blending one clove in a glass or so of water.

Whoa! I've never heard of garlic enemas, sounds effective. Is it painful? :D
 
How odd and frightening!
Some of you have really intense experiences.
Courage, my friend, courage.

As I never encountered a similar situation, all I can suggest is that perhaps there is a connection between the chest problems and the incident.
Anything of note happened in your life at the onset of this chest infection?
 
Aragorn said:
Perceval said:
You can also do garlic enemas by blending one clove in a glass or so of water.

Whoa! I've never heard of garlic enemas, sounds effective. Is it painful? :D

Well if you forget to blend the garlic it might be! :lol:
 
Hi Pai,

also want to give your words of encouragement. I know how terrifying these encounters are. Like you and others I've also gone through quite a lot of similar experiences a few years back, nightmares turning into real life nightmare waking up to this overpowering presence.

I think it's a sign of growing awareness and that you're doing something right, just the experience itself is a big lesson imo, gathering more awareness how to protect ourselves and learn first hand about the existence of these critters exist in our environment. I always tried to keep the fear as far away as possible, though that's a tall order, since it seemed these things feed on it. As Laura suggested raising awareness by reading is a good way to go.

Hang in there!
 
I have not had an experience as vivid as the above. What did happened to me is that one night I woke up suddenly with a great fear, a fear that, as it were somehow going beyond fear "rational." I do not know how to say, say it's like a fear that goes beyond the normal fear. And I'm not talking about sleep paralysis or anything like that.

Is a rare and terrifying experience.
 
Iron said:
As I never encountered a similar situation, all I can suggest is that perhaps there is a connection between the chest problems and the incident.
Anything of note happened in your life at the onset of this chest infection?

Hi Iron

I think this kind of thing has probably been going on alot longer than this and not exclusively related to the chest infection. I've been thinking about the experience alot over the last few days so I'll explore my thoughts here and would like to recount some memories of high strangeness going back to childhood encountered by myself and also some interesting experiences concerning my brother. (I've already posted some of this in another thread somewhere so apologies for any repetition)

One of my earliest and most prominent memories in childhood is of being outside my body. I'm guessing at age between 3-6 I would find myself floating above my body, watching myself asleep. I would then float back down slowly accompanied by an extreme 'G-Force' feeling as if on a rollercoaster to join my sleeping self. At the time I just thought it a 'strange dream' but at about age 12 I discovered some literature on Astral Projection/Out of Body experiences and knew that this was infact what I had experienced as opposed to just 'dreaming'.

I think this was one of the fundamental things that got me interested in the paranormal from an early age. However, it got me distracted with all kinds of New Age nonsense over the years as I thought these OOBE's made me somehow 'special' or spiritually gifted in some way. It was only when I found Laura's work that I realised that these experiences may have had an entirely different context.

I also have memories from early childhood of a quite horrific recurring dream in which I was inside a giant white bowl trying to make it across a bridge. I was desperate in this dream as I knew getting across was crucial to my survival but some force was operating to ensure that I would not make it. This is a very vague memory and I know that much of the dream is obscured from my conscious memory but the feeling it evoked was sheer terror and had a very similar flavour to the feelings provoked during my experience the other night. Somehow, it also involved images of screaming children rushing down a corridor, again in this horrible white, dare-I-say 'alien' environment. I regard this dream, much more so than the OOBE's as being a definite event of high strangeness.

Now, onto my brother. I had a fever when I was about seven and was in bed with my younger brother in a bed a few feet away. There appeared possibly up to half a dozen small, grey translucent beings that were doing something to him in the bed next to me. I recall them as very small, possibly even smaller than me at the time and I remember thinking that something wasn't right as they could climb the walls and appeared to be on the ceiling.

There was alot of coming and going almost as if they were taking something from him and then coming back for more. My overwhelming emotion at the time was one of anger as I felt they shouldn't have been there. I kept wanting to get out of my bed to go and see him but felt scared to move. After some time, I plucked up the courage and and soon as I exited my bed, they all disappeared. Pooof, gone. I was left with the immediate feeling that I'd imagined the whole thing and I was a 'silly boy' for imagining such things. But I now think that something interfered with him big time on that night which had serious repercussions later in his life.

I currently regard it as very fortunate that my brother is still alive. Upon reaching 13-14 years he went into an extreme bout of depression and self hatred that lasted over ten years. In the early days, my parents thought it was just the usual 'teenage' thing but it just went on and on. By the time he hit his mid twenties, he was severely agrophobic, a self harmer and regularly trashed the family home which he lived in, being long term unemployed and unable to move out. He hated himself more than anyone I've ever seen and had no friends. It was devastating as he really is one of the most genuine, sincere and lovely blokes you'd ever meet. Now we all know that this kind of depression can have many causes. We had quite a Narcissistic upbringing with a fair few family issues but it wasn't the worst in the world and we (the family) just couldn't fathom it.

Here's the interesting part, and he only told me this last Christmas when he came to stay for a few days. At 25 he said he'd basically made up his mind that he was going to kill himself. He went to bed one night deciding that he was going to commit suicide sometime in the next couple of days. On falling asleep, he said he woke up on some sort of slab. He said he couldn't see properly but he was surrounded by several beings which he knew to be 'Alien'. He said that they were celebrating and congratulating each other on their work and that their efforts had paid off and had led to the end result which would be his suicide. Bare in mind here that my brother does not really believe in Aliens and I had not told him the story of what I witnessed when he was about 2-3 years old.

But! Immediately after waking from this 'dream' he said he felt the most beautiful presence he'd ever known emanating from somewhere behind him. He said he instinctively knew that it was our maternal Grandmother. Now we never met our Grandmother as she died young when my own mother was only 15 but from all accounts she was a wonderful woman. She communicated to him that it was not his time to die, that he still had 'work to do' in this lifetime and that there was no reason for him to kill himself.

Regarding the first 'Alien' part of the experience I probably would have dis-believed him myself if he told me all those years ago but knowing what I know now regarding 4D STS it certainly makes sense to me. And regarding the communication from my Grandmother, the proof is in the pudding. He said that after the communication he knew that he would never kill himself. Within a year of this experience, he had a full time job, a girlfriend and had moved out of home. It really was a 'miraculous' turn-around. He's been great ever since and now spends much of his free time involved with the We are Change London group and writing pamphlets to hand out in central london about 911.

So, make of that what you will but I think that this type of interference has been happening within my family, or at least myself and my brother for a very long time.

As regards myself and the other night, I'm not quite sure what to make of it but I have some thoughts. Mentally and emotionally I feel like I've made some real progress recently. Along with getting lots of reading done, I've also started having Psychotherapy for issues around Narcissism/my childhood/negative thought patterns which has been incredibly helpful. I feel like I'm starting to really identify or catch the preadator's mind in the present tense as it arises and take my thought processes down other avenues. In my daily life, these patterns have revolved generally around unwarranted anger directed at other people and self pity due to my physical ailments.

Whilst I'm still physically not very well, I'm beginning to separate/isolate and then purge the emotional pity that goes with it and I can't help feeling that this pity and anger is, and has been a significant source of food for something or other for a long time. I think the other night was perhaps an attempt to instill or manufacture some more anger and pity in me as whatever it is feels the source is drying up. Maybe, maybe not.

The thing concerns me about the other nights attack was the feeling that there was something actually inside me that needed to come out and it seemed like it would hold on to the bitter end rather than leave. I'm definitely going to have a delve into the area of Spirit attachment to see what may be bothering me. I seem to remember Laura saying that William Baldwin's book was quite decent though it has very christian bias but if anyone else has any specific knowledge or recommendations I'd be grateful. I'm going to get the bottom of all this and seem remember the C's saying that any ailment can be confronted and overcome with the right application inward and outwardly (or words to that effect) which is encouraging.

Anyway, apologies for the long post. I have a program of being very conscious of not wanting to come across as being attention seeking or self important on this forum (perhaps it was put there by the Aliens :D).

Thank-you again for all your support. And yes, windmill Knight, it's ok to keep me in your prayers :D
 
Hey Pai, sounds like many people here have experienced this same kind of thing and have come through it ok.
You did good too.

I have to wonder if being involved with the Cassiopaean experiment has anything to do with the severity of the experience?

For instance, I had one really dreadful one about 20 years ago where I woke up during the night and could recall no dream whats so ever, yet the words were in my mind to never pick up the "black book".

I was confused and wondering what black book and what that was all about, when I became aware of a presence that I can only describe as pure 100% evil, that seemed to be above and around me and I was so terrified I literally could not swallow.

This was paralyzing fear! All I could do was pray.

I have read many books with black covers since then I`m sure, but I never thought of that experience again or a particular "black book" until I was handed a copy of Secret history of the world. Laura`s book.

And I had to wonder if this was what the "evil thing" had been so worried about and had tried to steer me away from? I`ll never know if there is really a connection of course, but it makes sense to me that "if" they can play with the future they may have made this same sort of attempt to scare away others as well?

So hang in there and maybe think of the group being with you if it happens again.

It`s worth a try and who knows!
 
The history of you and your younger brother is pretty amazing!
Other than this I have not much to add, other than encouragement, and noticing that you seem to have a good insight about your situation.
Maybe how you feel now, after the experience may yield more clues about the true nature of it.

Keep strong!
 
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