Karmic and Simple Understandings.

memeontheroof

The Force is Strong With This One
Hi Memeontheroof, Sometimes these Karmic lessons are hard to discern and sometimes they are just plain hard (difficult). You thought you could "fix them" or "neutralize them" and they are petty tyrants?

Are you truly "giving negativity its due by non-participation" or is this a repeat performance of what happened when you were 17?

Is the karmic lesson "Run, Luke! Run!"... (from 'these negative people')? OR...

Is it something else? Something deeper? Like perhaps the super-difficult next-level challenge of standing up for yourself around these negative people by speaking up and establishing boundaries instead of the easier path of running for cover.

One could ask: Why are these particular negative people in your life? Are they there to run away from? Or something else? If you, on some level, chose them to be your parents, and are already karmically linked - why come back to another life together again just to blow things up and run away again? Mouravieff touched on this idea that we keep getting chances to heal the wounds/pay the debt and we often repeat the error again and again making the wound deeper/the debt even bigger; to then have yet another lifetime with an even bigger wound to heal/debt to pay until we finally resolve to face it; to face ourself.

If running away is about being responsible for your own existence in the world without taking from these negative people who are truly unconscious psychopathic monsters, - well, OK.

But my guess is that everybody is wounded. Your description sounded like they were asking for help. Perhaps on a subconscious level they are reaching out in an attempt to mend some of the burned bridges. They are probably severely lacking in communication skills. OR...

Maybe the lesson is the even more difficult, upper level class: "Forgiveness 301".

A little story: A year ago my father passed away. I was there for 10 months being with him, watching him slowly go 'down the tubes' and fade away. It was pathetic, bizarre and painful but we both tried to heal the wounds; acknowledge the sins along the way. He made many mistakes. He had his reasons and excuses. I burned the bridges and I didn't just burn them, I used plenty of dynamite. Sigh. But we clumsily worked through it. We both were seeking a kind of absolution from each other in a direct way even though there was always a certain distance between us and a resistance to the process even to the end. Sigh. We did the best we could. Our intentions were pure even if our results a bit spotty.

Simple Karmic Lessons can be... so huge...overwhelmingly emotional and psychically challenging...ugh...

Maybe, just maybe, your daughter is on to something.

Ho'oponopono
 

memeontheroof

The Force is Strong With This One
Hi Memeontheroof, Sometimes these Karmic lessons are hard to discern and sometimes they are just plain hard (difficult). You thought you could "fix them" or "neutralize them" and they are petty tyrants?

Are you truly "giving negativity its due by non-participation" or is this a repeat performance of what happened when you were 17?

Is the karmic lesson "Run, Luke! Run!"... (from 'these negative people')? OR...

Is it something else? Something deeper? Like perhaps the super-difficult next-level challenge of standing up for yourself around these negative people by speaking up and establishing boundaries instead of the easier path of running for cover.

One could ask: Why are these particular negative people in your life? Are they there to run away from? Or something else? If you, on some level, chose them to be your parents, and are already karmically linked - why come back to another life together again just to blow things up and run away again? Mouravieff touched on this idea that we keep getting chances to heal the wounds/pay the debt and we often repeat the error again and again making the wound deeper/the debt even bigger; to then have yet another lifetime with an even bigger wound to heal/debt to pay until we finally resolve to face it; to face ourself.

If running away is about being responsible for your own existence in the world without taking from these negative people who are truly unconscious psychopathic monsters, - well, OK.

But my guess is that everybody is wounded. Your description sounded like they were asking for help. Perhaps on a subconscious level they are reaching out in an attempt to mend some of the burned bridges. They are probably severely lacking in communication skills. OR...

Maybe the lesson is the even more difficult, upper level class: "Forgiveness 301".

A little story: A year ago my father passed away. I was there for 10 months being with him, watching him slowly go 'down the tubes' and fade away. It was pathetic, bizarre and painful but we both tried to heal the wounds; acknowledge the sins along the way. He made many mistakes. He had his reasons and excuses. I burned the bridges and I didn't just burn them, I used plenty of dynamite. Sigh. But we clumsily worked through it. We both were seeking a kind of absolution from each other in a direct way even though there was always a certain distance between us and a resistance to the process even to the end. Sigh. We did the best we could. Our intentions were pure even if our results a bit spotty.

Simple Karmic Lessons can be... so huge...overwhelmingly emotional and psychically challenging...ugh...

Maybe, just maybe, your daughter is on to something.

Ho'oponopono
Hi BHelmet Thanks for your feedback . You have given me much to think about. And I guess it is a repeat performance of what I did when I was 17. But it seemed to work then. I don't think my Dad is a psychopath but a narcissist and you are correct about the monster part. He is expert at slowly draining me of all my energy. I have no problem standing up to him as I have been doing that all my life but it seems pointless because he knows exactly what to say to make me lose my temper and then I am drained of energy to the last drop and it takes me awhile to recover. It makes me feel worthless useless stupid ect and then sit around and feel sorry for myself which I cannot stand. I have been a severe people pleaser my whole life mostly for people who don't deserve it. I forgave him years ago because I know he is acting the only way he knows how. It would be like hanging around a snake and then getting mad at the snake when it bites you. The main reason I have been here for almost three years is my mother is ill and she has dementia and he is not at all sympathetic in fact he is down right cruel to, her. Now I know you can,t become STO by determining the needs of another unless they are under the age of consent but does that apply to someone who is struggling with the onset of dementia? That is the main thing holding me back or I would have been out of here a ling time ago. I feel really sorry for her it is quite excruciating actually but he can't abuse her when I am around. Or is it the pity those who pity thing. I feel like I an caught in a spider web sometimes. And it is quite confusing. Any advice is welcome. These simple karmic understandings are not really that simple.
 

Wandering Star

Jedi Master
Hi BHelmet Thanks for your feedback . You have given me much to think about. And I guess it is a repeat performance of what I did when I was 17. But it seemed to work then. I don't think my Dad is a psychopath but a narcissist and you are correct about the monster part. He is expert at slowly draining me of all my energy. I have no problem standing up to him as I have been doing that all my life but it seems pointless because he knows exactly what to say to make me lose my temper and then I am drained of energy to the last drop and it takes me awhile to recover. It makes me feel worthless useless stupid ect and then sit around and feel sorry for myself which I cannot stand. I have been a severe people pleaser my whole life mostly for people who don't deserve it. I forgave him years ago because I know he is acting the only way he knows how. It would be like hanging around a snake and then getting mad at the snake when it bites you. The main reason I have been here for almost three years is my mother is ill and she has dementia and he is not at all sympathetic in fact he is down right cruel to, her. Now I know you can,t become STO by determining the needs of another unless they are under the age of consent but does that apply to someone who is struggling with the onset of dementia? That is the main thing holding me back or I would have been out of here a ling time ago. I feel really sorry for her it is quite excruciating actually but he can't abuse her when I am around. Or is it the pity those who pity thing. I feel like I an caught in a spider web sometimes. And it is quite confusing. Any advice is welcome. These simple karmic understandings are not really that simple.
Do you remember the "teacher" who appreciated the experiences with the "little tyrants"?

You react with "honesty" to the situation. Then you study what has happened.

Once and again and again ...

Eventually, each time, on each next occasion, we will be a little more "ourselves.":rockon:
 

Mikkael

Jedi
For example Never interfere with the free will of another or to refuse to have ones own Free Will violated. You don't have to act "against" another you merely act for your own destiny or It is the draining of energy that befuddles the mind the only option is to extricate ourselves. How could I have forgotten something so crucial yet so simple. Basically I have been stumbling around is a daze being food for 4D. I am in a pity trap and it is time to give the "negativity its due by non-participation." I am in the process of getting my own place and hopefully I will "be cured of my lack of faith in the reality of non physical attack" Being around these negative people was a big mistake but I guess that.s how we learn . Anyway wish me luck because I am on my way out of here
I have learned from my own lessons that niceness/temperance can do a lot. But if the negativity field is too strong and pointed at us, and we feel hurt, retreat is reasonable choice to me. One can hardly expect a folks in high age as your parents are, to change much. But anything is possible I suppose, if you'd know hot to neutralize attacks with ease. One needs to be healed if feeling being hurt, and that takes time plus away from their reach.. I think you have understanding now, plan in motion, and I wish you good journey!
 

Curious Beagle

The Force is Strong With This One
It doesn't seem like you learned your lesson yet. If you did you will gain serenity (it won't bother you at all instead of staying away, withholding love, getting hurt, etc.) or love or the power of creation (you actively solve problems easily) aka the symbol of trinity. Your case is quite common in society yet it is very rich in lessons. It touch on so many aspects such as love (fear issue), coping with demand (soul substance imprinting), relationship with authority, recreate and overcome childhood hurts, falsified impression of parents, etc. I'm not sure if you are just sharing your life story or having a particular particular issue you want to discuss. I can't comment on all of them since it took me 2 hrs to write just 1 post in work: rational Male and female (long and deep explanation). Slowpoke non native speaker.
 

SlipNet

Jedi Master
It doesn't seem like you learned your lesson yet. If you did you will gain serenity
This is a bit of a sticky point with me too. Serenity is a tough state to attain, it just comes and goes with me, passing through almost like a breeze. I've gotta say though, I'm unsure as to what I'm not getting right at this point. Life is strange though, I can go months without any substantial change and then things suddenly ramp up and I go through a period of intensified learning. These days I just try to go with the flow and not try to force things, just less stress and hassle that way.
 

Curious Beagle

The Force is Strong With This One
Genuine love give the power to master yourself and your difficulties without proving anything to anyone. When you seek mastery by distorting the attribute of power, you do so for the sake of proving your superiority. When you gain mastery by healthy power you do so for the sake of growing. Not to have the mastery occasionally will not present a threat as it did while you were in distortion. Thus you will truly grow with each life experience. You will learn, accomplish and gain real power. There will not be any distorted ambitiousness, compulsion, and haste.

Serenity in the healthy way will not cause you to hide from emotions, experience, life, and your own conflicts; love and power in their healthy forms will give you a healthy detachment when looking at yourself so that you will truly become more objective. True serenity is not avoiding experience and emotions which may be painful at the moment but might yield an important key when the courage is there to go through them and find what is behind them.

This has to do with three personality types dominated by reason, by emotion, and by will. A personality is never completely one-sided; every person is a mixture of types, but one is always predominant. The harmonious person functions with each aspect in a perfect way. Since there is no completely purified human being, however, the three trends are often directed into wrong channels, aside from imbalance or predominance.

Let us begin with the reason-type: those who conduct their lives mainly by the reasoning process are apt to neglect the emotions. Those who are afraid of emotion cannot trust their intuition, because intuition is blurred by their fear of it, by their distrust of its supposed intangibility. The reason-type is proud to be so steeped in the reasoning process. And the will used mainly to follow deductions made with the reasoning process, seldom paying attention to the emotions or intuitions, which also should be heeded. The reason-type uses will premeditatedly, often overcautiously, whereas the emotion-type is carried away by emotions and uses willpower unconsciously and erratically. The harmonious personality finds the healthy middle way and uses the will rationally or emotionally, depending on the situation. The will should be a servant both to reason and emotion. It will be easy for you to see that the reason-type goes through life missing a great deal of experience, mostly out of fear and pride. Emotional life necessarily carries uncertainty and risk, whereas the rational type tries to keep everything well ordered, “knowing” at all times where one stands, and avoiding the emotions, which leave one at sea.

The emotion-type is equally onesided. Predominantly emotional people often pride themselves that only they are capable of truly feeling. It is true that the emotion-type tends to have a good intuition and is sometimes less afraid of feeling and inner experience than is the reason-type. However, the emotion-type, contrary to the reason-type who holds life’s reins too tightly, often loses his or her grip on life’s reins altogether. They are often so carried away by uncontrolled feelings that they not only lose control over themselves but become blind to that which is often most important for their lives and development. Due to their overemphasis on the emotional side, they neglect the equally important reasoning functions of thinking, discriminating, selecting, and weighing. They must learn to use the intellect to curb the wild emotions that, without necessarily being impure, flow without purpose or direction. The reason-type, afraid of losing control, cuts out not only a major part of life’s necessary experience, but beauty and happiness as well. The emotion-type fears that curbing and disciplining his or her nature will eliminate something valuable in life. Both are wrong—for only the harmonious middle path leads to the complete solution.

In the third category is the will-type who is altogether different. Will is supposed to be a servant, never a master. Ideally the will should serve equally the reasoning process and the emotional and intuitive faculties. The person of will is out for achievement and tangible results. This focus tends to make such a person impatient and apt to forfeit the very result he or she seeks. It cripples the reasoning process, which, joined with the emotional nature, leads to wisdom. Without such wisdom, people either cannot accomplish what they set out to accomplish or, if they succeed, cannot benefit from the accomplishment in the right way and thus will lose it again.
 
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