Bernardo GA
Jedi
In the factory-style set up of modern schooling that demands conformity, I think it inevitable that this sort of coercion is the favoured method for maintaining control. I don't think that 'learning' (beyond a materialistic, utilitarian sense of the word) is really what schools are for.
I'd be very interested to read an expansion of your thoughts on the idea of external consideration as the basis of true learning
You are making me think a lot Il Matto.
Your question is not simple for me to answer.
What I think is more or less what you commented, which sums it up quite well.
The truth is that I don't know how one could substantially change the curricular educational system, since it is immersed and corresponding to the demands of a mostly materialistic society, where utilitarianism is overvalued to such an extent, that people themselves are considered as something, instead of someone.
The laws of the market color everything, and seem to be the word of God.
It is understandable, because we know that 4D STS is involved and influences the design of programs, and for them physical existence is a kind of god.
It would be fanciful to believe that this can be changed quickly.
In case a substantial change is possible, it would in any case be a process, closely linked and in accordance with the advancement in consciousness of humanity. It would all be part of the same process.
As for what an education where “external consideration” is at its foundation would look like, I think it is something worth thinking about. At least begin to imagine it.
Being creative is central to this and it's not easy. It's not easy because we were subjected to a program aimed at increasing the efficiency of our machine, to the detriment of our higher creative essence. But we are who we are, even if the masters of the sirco don't like it.
And there's no need to think outlandish. Not everything on this planet is junk. We can draw inspiration from good things that already exist. There are things that are constructive, like cooperative work activities for example, where the benefit is for the collective, and the individual benefit comes from being part of the collective, etc.
These kinds of things clearly have an STO principle, which is why they get so many sticks in the wheel.
The fact that corruption usually spoils everything, does not mean that such a system is useless. It is the opposite in fact. The individual path is what makes us most vulnerable and enslaved, and a clear example that “internal consideration” determining most of our actions, is what is most convenient for the predator.
The way everything is structured, it is difficult not to fall into pessimism and at the same time be realistic.
In this current reality, I do not see the possibility of an educational reform that goes to the foundations.
An educational system that respects human nature, that understands, respects and harmoniously accompanies the sacred stage of childhood, that helps a person as an adult not to have problems to understand that “no man is an island”, is a construction in which perhaps we ourselves among others are participating, especially in the foundations.
It will not be a work initiated by official institutions, that is most likely.
As I understand it, the concept of “external consideration” alludes to the benefit and welfare of all parties or the collective, and does not promote individual progress detached from collective progress. In this way the collective also improves in terms of not feeding parasites.
The community would be healthier in many ways.
I don't have studies, nor enough knowledge to elaborate something interesting about it, beyond sharing some thoughts, just as part of a networking dynamic.
But I am sure that here in the forum, there are people very prepared and more than ready to elaborate or design a kind of new educational system.
Using all the baggage of valuable scientific knowledge, especially that which has been silenced and/or systematically combated, that the people of this forum have been able to collect, analyze, order, combine, even channel.
The difference with the previous educational system would be substantial and extraordinary, not only because of greater technical knowledge, but also because of the spiritual interests and considerations of the designers.
The creation of something like that, obviously, would start with some sketches, and then work on them, polishing them, until reaching something really feasible, with practical application possibilities.
Maybe people on the forum already have something going on, I'm just not aware of it. It would be wonderful.
how do you think that relates to simple and karmic understandings?
Now you really complicated it for me.
Actually my comments about the shortcomings in education and so on, were in the context in which I was talking about my difficulties with the term punishment. I didn't have in mind at the time the possible connections between the issue of teaching and the issue of karmic and simple lessons.
And your question is super interesting to me.
I would have to think about it more, but at the moment what comes to my mind is the following:
While we have individual Souls, we are also parts of a greater Soul (a fragmented Soul).
So, it is logical to think that if we cause harm to another individual, at some point we will suffer that harm, being part of the same larger entity.
Karma seems to be a mechanism by which we can come to understand that.
The connection of that to the concept of “External Consideration”, placed at the basis of teaching or other areas of social interaction, can be significant.
A community whose educational system is based on and aimed at the collective welfare, clearly is a community formed by individuals who learn more easily, their condition of “larger entity” (community), and what that implies.
For the individual, the harm to himself when he harms the community will be more evident, and he will act accordingly. The protective attitude may increase, etc.
That's more or less what I can think of at the moment. I hope it makes sense.
Thanks Il Matto for the question.
Best regards to all.