Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

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The Strawman said:
Mainstream media are latching on to the truth about diet...

This could be a good thing for those who end up reducing carbs (as mentioned in the article) while increasing quality fats and avoiding the toxic ones so prevalent in modern "western diet." Those who don't read the fine print and make all of these changes together may end up worse off than before.

When the MSM seem to start to "get it," be careful! But with increased media coverage of this nature, it may make it easier to talk about the real issues (including kinds and qualities of fat) with friends and relatives.
 
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Megan said:
The Strawman said:
Mainstream media are latching on to the truth about diet...

This could be a good thing for those who end up reducing carbs (as mentioned in the article) while increasing quality fats and avoiding the toxic ones so prevalent in modern "western diet." Those who don't read the fine print and make all of these changes together may end up worse off than before.

When the MSM seem to start to "get it," be careful! But with increased media coverage of this nature, it may make it easier to talk about the real issues (including kinds and qualities of fat) with friends and relatives.

Yeah, as it gets around in the mainstream, it should make it easier to spread information about this diet. Paleo and ketogenic diets have popped in mainstream sources here and there for a while now, too.
 
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nicklebleu said:
Brilliant documentary (part 1) on Catalyst, ABC Australia about the cholesterol myth.
Well researched with some of our well known researchers coming to word.
Apparently it was one of the most watched TV pieces that day ...

Watch the documentary online at http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3876219.htm.

Next week will be part 2: Statins - can't wait!

Part 2 is out :)

http://www.sott.net/article/268211-Heart-of-the-matter-The-Cholesterol-Myth-Dietary-Villains-and-Cholesterol-Drug-War
 
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Psyche said:
nicklebleu said:
Brilliant documentary (part 1) on Catalyst, ABC Australia about the cholesterol myth.
Well researched with some of our well known researchers coming to word.
Apparently it was one of the most watched TV pieces that day ...

Watch the documentary online at http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3876219.htm.

Next week will be part 2: Statins - can't wait!

Part 2 is out :)

http://www.sott.net/article/268211-Heart-of-the-matter-The-Cholesterol-Myth-Dietary-Villains-and-Cholesterol-Drug-War

Just caught this - thanks.

Interesting elements within, as was indicated, there were the "fear" factors for physicians should litigation come up i.e., why did you not prescribe x, y or z when your peers (medical authoritarians) cite the benefits. And then the aspect of insurance companies and their role. This is a frustrating aspect for people in that the insurers (with the now lowered cholesterol bar) add premiums to you being over the C-threshold and then add premiums for the pills prescribed; not to mention having many ways to not pay claims on non-disclosure technicalities - and like insurance does, if people insure, they have you for life and these lies contribute to their profits.
 
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Some good news (sort of) on the keto diet for once. Some muddying of the waters is never a surprise though.

_http://www.thestate.com/2013/12/01/3123759/ketogenic-diet-offers-hope-for.html

Ketogenic diet offers hope for epileptic Ind. girl


FORT WAYNE, IND. — The little girl with long, dark hair sat on the sofa and nestled protectively beside her parents as they took turns telling a remarkable story of how she fought epilepsy and how she has beaten it for a year and a half.

For 10 about minutes - not much longer - Autumn Forti listened patiently, perhaps reliving moments she would prefer to forget and maybe someday will. Her small, soft hands were folded in the lap of her ankle-length print skirt, and her shoulders were rolled forward ever so slightly, the way shy 9-year-olds scrunch down to make themselves smaller.

It wasn't until her mother, Ann, remembered the conversation that the then-unexplained seizures might be attributed to a possible allergic reaction to the newest family dog - and that they might have to give away Taffy - that Autumn ended her silence and began to weep out loud.

Simultaneously, Ann and Scott Forti embraced their sobbing daughter and, almost in unison, said reassuringly, "But we didn't have to, did we?"

No, they sure didn't.

Taffy, a Bernese mountain and sheep dog mix, still roams the backyard, along with dogs Cosette and Tusker that woof and yelp and greet visitors to the Fortis' rural home a few miles outside of St. Joe in DeKalb County.

In that backyard, a deck had been constructed off the back of the home, a children's swing set was assembled, and, on a gorgeous Sunday, April 29, 2012, a wedding was held. And it's because of that outdoor wedding of Autumn's oldest brother, Kyle, and his wife, Hope, that the narrative begins of a little girl, an outpouring of love and a change of diet that may have saved her life.

It was March 29, exactly a month before the wedding, when Ann and Autumn were inside the Hobby Lobby craft store off Coldwater Road to buy supplies for Hope's wedding shower when, without warning, Autumn, then 7, dropped to the floor and began to uncontrollably spin in circles.

Scared and puzzled, the following day they saw their family physician, who suggested that it could be anxiety, since Autumn was to take part in her brother's wedding. But as she was leaving the doctor's office, Autumn went into another seizure. And then another when they got home.

By Monday, they were seeing a neurological specialist, Dr. Atiya Khan, who prescribed medication for what was diagnosed as pediatric epilepsy, The Journal Gazette reported (_http://bit.ly/1exiAGv ).

"Looking back, I was just desperate," Ann Forti says. "(Dr. Khan) gave me some medicine, and we were gone. We went right from there to Walgreens to taking that and putting it in. At the end of the week, (the seizures) are getting worse."

Ann called Khan again.

"She called me, and we said, 'OK, let's do some other medications,' " Khan says.

"But that didn't work. She called me back and said she's doing it much more often. So in the end, we wound up admitting her to the (Parkview Regional Medical Center). I can't remember how many, but she had three or four IV medications, and that didn't help."

Khan noticed that whenever Autumn seized, she always spun in the same direction, even on the bed.

"So I called the Cleveland Clinic," Khan says. "I said, 'Do you have any other suggestions?' And they said, 'You've done everything that we would do.' . But they said there were some other things. 'Either you could do it, or send her to us.' "

In a matter of hours, Autumn and her family were headed to Cleveland.

Ann and Scott Forti were now on a mission to educate themselves about epilepsy. They talked to more doctors. They devoured brochures. They read books. And there was this one book - there were so, so many - in which there was a brief mention of a little-known TV film about an epileptic child, ". First Do No Harm," starring Meryl Streep, whose performance earned her an Emmy nomination.

Intrigued, Ann and Scott told their son, Kyle, who had left finals week at his college in Hillsdale, Mich., to join his family in Cleveland, to find a copy of the movie, no matter how much it cost. At a DVD store a few blocks away from the clinic where his youngest sister continued to seize, he found one copy - for 99 cents.

The film, which debuted on ABC in February 1997, was directed by Jim Abrahams, whose real-life son, Charlie, had his own battle with epilepsy.

After heavy doses of medication and even surgery - all unsuccessful - Charlie eventually becomes seizure-free shortly after Abrahams is told about, and adopts, the ketogenic diet.

It is a strictly measured, high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet with adequate protein developed at the Mayo Clinic in 1921. Because seizure-free results were seen in epileptic patients who fasted, the ketogenic diet is used as a substitute for fasting, which cannot be sustained for a long period of time.

Abrahams' sole purpose in making the film was to educate the public about the diet that saved his son.

Ann and Scott Forti prayed for the same miracle for their youngest daughter.

"Watching that movie in the hospital room, while simultaneously watching Autumn continually seizing in her hospital bed, tears rolled down my face," Ann wrote in her blog. "I was sure that the diet was going to be our only hope, but it also instilled fear in me - what if the diet didn't work either?"

For nine days, the Cleveland Clinic treated Autumn. Yet with no real cure to stop the seizures, the Fortis were sent back home with $1,000 worth of medication and uncertainty about a diet they were about to attempt.

All this, and a wedding was 48 hours away.

"Every one of the kids had 'Autumn duty,'" Scott Forti says of Autumn's four brothers and three sisters.

"I would not let her walk anywhere without somebody next to her for fear that she would fall through a window, fall down the steps, hit something outside. There were times when you'd turn your back, and all of a sudden, she dropped."

And although Autumn had a couple of seizures in the process, Kyle and Hope were wed that evening in the outdoor ceremony.

Another immediate challenge was how to continue giving Autumn medications the Cleveland doctors prescribed while, at the same time, start her on the ketogenic diet. How much medicine? How much food, and what kind? Where to turn? Who to ask?

The Forti family remained steadfast in their deep religious faith. And when Ann returned home at 11:30 p.m. from a women's prayer meeting, there was a message on her phone.

"I don't know your name, but I know if you are a seizure mom, you are still up."

It was from Tresa Gibson, calling from Canada. She had heard about Autumn from a woman named Kate, who exercised with Ann's sister, Lisa, in Wisconsin.

Gibson was also a "seizure mom" whose son Fletch suffered seizures "for hours on end," according to Ann Forti, and even showed symptoms of autism. "But she brought him back to health through the ketogenic diet."

It was Gibson, Ann and Scott say, who would always be there to answer their ketogenic questions.

Not only did they have a path, but now they had someone to light the way.

A few days into the diet, of weighing foods a gram at a time, the way a ketogenic cookbook they acquired explained how to do, an hour of Autumn being seizure-free turned into two, and she had a night of peaceful sleep. Two days turned into four. A week became almost a month.

Almost.

"It was skating night, and we all got our skates, and we're ready to go," Ann says. "It's 2 o'clock, and she has a seizure. Then she had another one, and another one. They're about 20 minutes apart. I just remember going into the bathroom and crying."

Ann told Tresa the horrible news; that the seizures returned. But Gibson told her to think back on what was made that day, what was different than before. It had to be something.

Like a movie being played in reverse, Ann's thoughts retraced everything she did and everything she made.

"I was making her ice cubes, with a little bit of lemon juice and some Stevia (an artificial sweetener) in there," Ann says. "I'm talking about a minute amount of lemon juice. It was the lemon juice. There was too much carb.

"We almost took her off the diet and put her back on the medications," Ann says. "But we said, 'Let's give it one more shot.' "

At 9:08 a.m. on May 30, 2012 - one of the kids remembered the exact time - Autumn had her last seizure.

In those early days, the entire household held its breath. One by one, whether it was brothers Joshua, now 19; or Joe, 18; or Russell, 16; or sisters Rebekah, 13; Kristen, 12; or Promise, 10, they would almost whisper to their mom or dad, "Has she had one yet?"

No, not yet.

And now it's November, which happens to be Epilepsy Awareness Month.

Perched on a step stool in the kitchen, Autumn can make her own food now with the precision of her mother. Milkshakes. Chocolate chip cookies. The cheesecake berry crunch. And pizza.

How does she make the pizza?

"With macadamia nut butter, and then mayonnaise, and oil, and egg whites," Autumn sheds her shyness long enough to rattle off the ingredients.

To further illustrate her daughter's cooking skill, Ann brings forth a full plate of peanut butter granola bars.

"Fourteen grams of coconut oil," Ann says with satisfaction.

"Twelve!" Autumn corrects her.

The little girl nods when she's asked if she remembers the seizures.

"I don't like them," she says sadly, then appears to grow small again, as though she is hiding from the demon.

With Autumn and Ann in the kitchen, both attacking the cheesecake berry crunch, Scott shares the worst days, and he says there were many.

"I'm on my knees, crying, and it's like every four minutes. . I'm like, 'This isn't happening.' I'm watching her every four minutes with a seizure. And I'm holding her. She goes, 'Daddy!' Then, 'Uhhhhhh.' Then, 'Daddy!' Then, 'Uhhhhhh.' "

The doctors, the pamphlets, the books, the small army of "seizure moms" who still share their stories and recipes and tears - they all say the same thing: The ketogenic diet cannot be sustained throughout a lifetime, because it will cause kidney and liver complications.

"Here's the deal," Ann Forti says: "Kids are generally on it from one to three years, then they go off it, and they're eating Pizza Hut and Dairy Queen."

It's been a year and a half now since Dr. Khan first treated little Autumn Forti; a year and a half since the child spun relentlessly from epileptic seizures that, during her stay at the Cleveland Clinic, tangled and matted her long hair so violently, there was concern they would have to cut it off.

"It is very dramatic to where she was to where she is - extremely dramatic," Khan says. "I'm thrilled."

Since then - "because of Ann," Khan says - Parkview has added a ketogenic dietitian.

"It's very difficult," Khan says of maintaining the discipline of the diet. "First of all, you have to have an intelligent child to do this - to make sure she doesn't eat something she shouldn't.

"And Autumn's mom is very unique, because she did most of it on her own. What a wonderful family."

While the family email address is cleverly named "ten40s," Ann Forti now points out the family has grown to 11, with the addition of Hope.

Yes, Hope. Of course.

Well, there you go. :rolleyes:
 
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"The ketogenic diet cannot be sustained throughout a lifetime, because it will cause kidney and liver complications." So don't try it unless you have to for medical reasons :rolleyes:

Touching article, none the less. Thanks for posting H-kqge.
 
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A messy article on nightmares, and my reply (recommending the keto diet, among other things)

article: _http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/02/dream-causes-things-that-influence-dreams_n_4326152.html

my reply:

This article is a mess, giving us a lot of disinformation (''the best way to sell a lie is wrapping it in truth'') and it seems to be blaming tryptamines (in particular melatonin) for inducing ''nightmares''. To debunk some of it (all backed by Pubmed): 1 The connection between electromagnetism and melatonin: electromagnetic fields (especially microwaves) suppress melatonin production. Melatonin suppression is a bad thing for your health (different from what people might conclude after reading this article), and not something you should aim for in order to ''avoid nightmares'' (what this article suggests). Given that melatonin has a strong antioxidant, geroprotector (antiaging) and anticarcinogen activity, melatonin suppression is a bad thing for you. (Even the newest line of antidepressants are melatonergic AGONISTS). 2 Melatonin production (or supplementation) vs nightmares: in some people, when they stop taking melatonin supplements (after a long period of time) REM-sleep rebound may appear (but it has nothing to do with the dream content, many people have nice dreams in this REM rebound phase). Notice that QUITTING melatonin may cause unusual dreams, and not CONTINUING/USING it. 3 Most dreaming occurs in shallow phases of sleep (known as REM-sleep episodes), by reducing REM-sleep you can sleep more deeply. Deep dreamless sleep (slow wave sleep /SWS/ delta-wave sleep) is extremely important for your health, it is when your body is restored. 4 SWS promoters: keto diet (fat/protein but no sugar/carbs), yoga-nidra (deep meditation), pitch dark night. SWS suppressors: alcohol/benzodiazepines/microwave-radiation/blue light at night/sugar-carb-intake-especially-before-going-to-sleep. Your MD on call
 
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Hi, I have done the ketogenic diet and have to say that when done right is beneficial to the body. We have to think that most of the diseases produce white flour and sugars and that the certogénica diet is one of the habits you learn to not eat them. Besides healthy fats consumed. I do not know if it's the best diet, but certainly to me has helped me to learn many healthy habits. Also do not forget that human beings are prepared to enter ketosis.
 
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Hello friends,
I would be very grateful for some advice and feedback on how to further improve my diet. My weight has stabilized at 61.5kg, for 4 months. My height is 1.64 inches and I Weighed 73 kg in the last 12 years.
Now my diet is basically the same as a few months ago.
-Breakfast: 1 egg and strips of fried bacon, tea with a little butter. A small piece of sweet potato or 1 to 2 buckwheat crackers with butter, sometimes, and blackberries.
-Lunch: A piece of fatty meat, braised cabbage or mashed potatoes and / or steamed vegetables. Everything cooked with butter and olive oil. One small piece of fruit.
-Afternoon: Green tea. Sometimes 1 or 2 buckwheat crackers and butter. A little black Chocolate 70%
-Night: Salmon cooked in butter, shellfish or seafood, fried cassava (few), olives, green beans with olive oil and a small piece of fruit.
Often there is bone broth Also at lunch or dinner with radish and avocado.
I care not to take more than 5 or 6 servings of carbohydrates a day.
Now I feel good, I have no stomach pain, no feeling of low energy (sporadically), I feel my body more flexible and elastic and firmer skin ... also less gaunt than weeks ago.

I guess I'm still in transition to the ketogenic diet since I sometimes have the feeling of hunger, especially breakfast to lunch, especially when early breakfast. I do not know if will take 2 eggs instead of one would be excessive or more bacon ...
At this point I'm a few months ago, and it's hard to move forward: leave fruit for example ... Seven months ago I left the bread, and sometimes I feel a great desire to eat.

I also like to get your advice, if possible, as to optimize the intake of supplements. I have taken several things, some still take them, but all are already running. And I have to buy again.
I have taken milk thistle. ). Alpha lipoic acid, 250mgr. Magnesium lactate 4-6 capsules (600mgr/day.). Glutathione 50 mgr. B-complex 75, Betaine HCL. I am now taking Vit C 3gr/day or 1.5 gr, if I miss a capsule. Magnesium and potassium (muscle cramps appeared). L-carnitine. Vit E, but in this case I bought capsules of 400 IU and took 1cap. / 4 days because I suppose the dose is high for 1/ day, as I have read.
I'm not sure which of them to continue or whether it would be desirable to introduce some different. If it is advisable to switch or do some break in the intake in some cases. I was reading about Ubiquinol, may be advisable to introduce it?
Maybe introduce some detoxifying supplements?

Thank you very much for your time :) :hug2:
 
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Hi Ariadna,

Does the bone broth help you with the hunger and carb cravings? Perhaps having bone broth consistently along with other snacks such as ham with cold butter will help you cut out the crackers and/or fruit.

The need for supplements goes down as you further transition into the ketogenic diet. It might be good to keep those supplements which help digest fats and protein until you are certain you can digest them: HCl, carnitine, digestive enzymes. Glutathione is good for the gut cells, but generally it has a very hard time getting absorbed. Perhaps NAC (N-acetylcysteine) will be better. Taking a break from supplements is not a bad idea either, you can do it one day week, perhaps two.

Glad to hear your weight stabilized. :)
 
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I agree with Psyche, Ariadna. If your goal is to go full ketosis (or even full Paleo) then you should eventually eliminate ALL grains/pseudo-grains like buckwheat. Buckwheat and the like is good for the transition away from wheat and the more damaging grains, but after a while you don't need it, it's doesn't have a legitimate function, so to speak, anymore. So eliminating the crackers and fruit snacks might be what is in order. How much net carbohydrates (not including fiber which can't be digested and doesn't end up as glucose) do you eat per day.

Again if your goal is to get into and stay in ketosis, eventually you need to lower your net carbs to around 50 grams net or lower - it depends on the person and certain circumstances. Also eating a big amount of carbs (or even protein) in one meal can knock some people out of ketosis, like having all 40 or 50 grams for the day in one meal or a meal and then 15 or 20 minutes later some chocolate, etc. that gets a certain amount of net carbs into your system in a short amount of time. Where it could be the case if the same daily total was consumed divided over meals and hours in between, it wouldn't knock that person out of ketosis, for example.

It does sound like you're either not in ketosis, not in "DEEP" ketosis, or you're going in and out, if you get hungry between breakfast and lunch, but it's only a guess. So if you want to get into and stay in ketosis, you have to lower the carbs somewhere around 50 net carbs or lower per day, and increase the (mostly saturated animal) fat to around 65 to 85% of daily calories. Again, these things vary from person to person and situation to situation.

I was going to say pretty much what Psyche said about the supplements, too. And with all of these things, you may need to experiment a little and adjust things here and there to see what works best for you. Then also, you can check you blood ketones, for example, if that is doable for you, etc. Hope this gives you some more ideas and helps in some way.
 
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Here are some of the articles published on Sott related to Dr. Perlmutter's research on the effects of carbs and gluten on brain health:

This is your brain on gluten

http://www.sott.net/article/270571-This-is-your-brain-on-gluten
The book is Grain Brain: The surprising truth about wheat, carbs, and sugar; your brain's silent killers. It promises straightforward dietary solutions to prevent the illnesses we most hate and fear.

Why wouldn't you make three simple changes?

"The question is, how far will you take the Paleo diet?" Perlmutter asked in a recent video on his YouTube channel. "Here we are at a Chinese grocery store in San Francisco - and this is part of the Paleo diet."

He holds up a large frog.

"How far will you go?"

That is Perlmutter's kind of joke. He is not joking when he says that carbohydrates, even the whole-grain carbs that many of us think of as the good ones, are the cause of almost every modern neurologic malady. That includes dementia, decreased libido, depression, chronic headaches, anxiety, epilepsy, and ADHD.

"It may seem draconian," he says, "but the best recommendation I can make is to completely avoid grains."

"Most grain foods, whether we're talking about quinoa, amaranth, the very popular grains of the day, the reality is they still are associated with a carbohydrate surge. They have a fairly high glycemic index, meaning that after 90 to 120 minutes, your blood sugar is going to go up, and that is detrimental to the brain." [...]

Over the last 40 years, people have become addicted to gluten, Perlmutter's narrative goes. In combination with carbs, gluten's influence on our diets explains why we get dementia - and every other common neurologic problem. "Inflammation is the cornerstone of Alzheimer's disease and Parkinson's, multiple sclerosis - all of the neurodegenerative diseases are really predicated on inflammation. Who knew?" [...]

"The biggest issue by far is that carbohydrates are absolutely at the cornerstone of all of our major degenerative conditions," he says. "That includes things like Alzheimer's, heart disease, and even cancers. What we know is that even mild elevations in blood sugar are strongly related to developing Alzheimer's disease. That was published August 8, 2013, in the New England Journal of Medicine. Even mild elevations in blood sugar compromise brain structure and lead to shrinkage of the brain. That's what our most well-respected, peer-reviewed journals are telling us."

What's behind 'Grain Brain': Are gluten and carbs wrecking our brains and our health?
http://www.sott.net/article/269081-Whats-behind-Grain-Brain-Are-gluten-and-carbs-wrecking-our-brains-and-our-health

The surprising truth about wheat, carbs, and sugar - Your brain's silent killers
http://www.sott.net/article/268502-The-surprising-truth-about-wheat-carbs-and-sugar-Your-brains-silent-killers

The following is an excerpt from the new book, GRAIN BRAIN: The Surprising Truth About Wheat, Carbs, and Sugar - Your Brain's Silent Killers by Dr. David Perlmutter (Little, Brown and Co., 2013).

Your "healthy" diet could be quietly killing your brain: Q&A with David Perlmutter, author of Grain Brain
http://www.sott.net/article/267399-Your-healthy-diet-could-be-quietly-killing-your-brain-Q-A-with-David-Perlmutter-author-of-Grain-Brain

"The brain thrives on a fat-rich, low-carbohydrate diet, which unfortunately is relatively uncommon in human populations today," he says. Carbohydrates typically thought of as healthy, even brown rice, 100% whole grain bread, or quinoa - mainstays of many of the most health-conscious kitchens - cause disorders like dementia, ADHD, chronic headaches, and Alzheimer's, over a lifetime of consumption. By removing these carbohydrates from the diet - harbingers of inflammation, the true source of problems that plague our brains and hearts - and increasing the amount of fat and cholesterol we consume, we can not only protect our most valuable organ, but also potentially, undo years of damage. Cholesterol, for example, long vilified by the media and medical community, actually promotes neurogenesis (the birth of new brain cells) and communication between neurons, to the degree that studies have shown that higher levels of serum cholesterol correlates to more robust cognitive prowess.

'Carbohydrates rot the brain': Neurologist slams grains as 'silent brain killers' - and says we should be eating a high-fat diet
http://www.sott.net/article/268883-Carbohydrates-rot-the-brain-Neurologist-slams-grains-as-silent-brain-killers-and-says-we-should-be-eating-a-high-fat-diet

And the staples of our modern diet aren't only increasing the risk of dementia, but contributing to depression, epilepsy and headaches, he believes. Instead of munching on wheat, carbs and sugar,which he calls the brain's silent killers, we should revert back to the way our ancestors ate - with more meat and fat.

His book was released in September and since then it has been in the bestseller list. Sounds like a good one to share around with family and friends.
 
Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Thank you Psyche and Seekin Truth, for your quick responses and come to my aid. Thanks also to strengthen me with your knowledge and information. I love you! :) :hug2:
 
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Omg thanks for those articles psyche. Certainly there are moments I can go without any carb, is not hard but then the cravings increase amazingly, one single cookie can be your torture if it's on the table.
 

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