Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

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mugatea said:
Gandalf said:
Don't forget that 25g of protein does not mean 25g of meat or fish or chicken or whatever.

Yeah, I know that. It just means that I would have to eat 3 meals with 25g of protein to get my protein which would be hard in a 6 hour window that I spend most of my time working in. But I'll give it a try and not worry to much about it. .

lainey said:
If your getting the right amount of fat then that amount of protein should be just fine. Like I said I have 100g of liver for breakfast and am now adding 4 egg yolks and a big slice of butter. It's actually quite filling and keeps me going till lunch.

Are you not intermittent fasting? If not, why not?

Jamie
If you get your timing right, you may combine intermittent fasting with eating two meals a day (breakfast and dinner), each of 25g of protein each, plus all the associated, required, fat. :) However, take things slowly, adjust to each new variation, and move to the next stage. If the fat intake is right then hunger is put on hold. A good fatty breakfast, supplemented by a fat bomb at midday may well sustain you through to dinner time (more protein and fat).
 
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ok thanks.

I've been eating only between 12pm and 6pm (not all days though) so many days there is a 18 hour fast with no food. Just to clarify you say "two meals a day (breakfast and dinner)" plus a fatbomb for lunch. Does the fatbomb not count as a meal? Also that could be a 14 hour fast, is that still IF?

Thanks for you help.

Jamie
 
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mugatea said:
Fluffy said:
Ooh gee thanks, I've missed so much and feel like there's so much to catch up on. Wish I had of found this forum way before I did, never mind, I'm learning every day so that's a good thing. It will all pay off soon!

Been trying the cold adaption, I'm really bad at it, only last a few seconds, just on my mid section below the chest and feel so uncomfortable and make the weirdest noises. It's really really hard to do, I really hate being cold. Brrrr

Me too, the cold adaption is harder than everything else combined.

Jamie

I highly recommend going slow with the cold. Have a slightly cooler shower than normal every day, and by 2 weeks you'll be standing in a fully cold shower. You only have so much dopamine to spare, and the benefits of cold tolerance will come with or without the self torture phase. :)
 
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mugatea said:
ok thanks.

I've been eating only between 12pm and 6pm (not all days though) so many days there is a 18 hour fast with no food. Just to clarify you say "two meals a day (breakfast and dinner)" plus a fatbomb for lunch. Does the fatbomb not count as a meal? Also that could be a 14 hour fast, is that still IF?

Thanks for you help.

Jamie
The fat bomb does not count as a meal. A 14 hour fast is still IF, yes.
 
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Yeah, 14 to 18 hours of IF will do. So you can aim for 15 to 16 hours of no eating from evening, throughout the night until morning breakfast. It shouldn't be that hard to do, especially if you try not to eat after 6PM. In fact that's what I do everyday, and eat breakfast anywhere from 9:30AM to 11:30AM.

As for the cold shower protocol, I agree with whitecoast, go slow, and you'll eventually adapt. I did the cold adaptation for a few months a couple of years ago, and restarted for a couple of months, but I'm going pretty slow myself and have skipped days where I just didn't have time. Eventually I'll do the everyday for 3 weeks and then ever other day suggestion by the C's soon.
 
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SeekinTruth said:
As for the cold shower protocol, I agree with whitecoast, go slow, and you'll eventually adapt. I did the cold adaptation for a few months a couple of years ago, and restarted for a couple of months, but I'm going pretty slow myself and have skipped days where I just didn't have time. Eventually I'll do the everyday for 3 weeks and then ever other day suggestion by the C's soon.

Taking it slow is working for me, I am more tolerant of the cold in just a few weeks, but that could also be that the weather is warmer too.

Without a blood ketone meter I would like to ask what others telltale signs of becoming keto adapted are.
I'm noticing loads more energy while walking and doing sit ups and other floor exercises but this could be that I'm getting stronger??
I've never been one to eat directly before or after exercise, just don't feel like I need to. I can go for an hour or more brisk hilly walk on an empty stomach and then not want to eat for hours afterwards. I'm a sporadic eater, sometimes I eat breakfast most days I don't eat til well after 12pm and I intermittent fast, often for 20 or more hours. I've always been like this so I can't really see a difference to before keto to now.

I do use keto stix sometimes and they still say I have ketones, I read somewhere that once keto adapted that the body stops spilling ketones into urine but I don't know if that's correct or not.

I just don't know how to tell if I'm adapted or not or if it's even possible to be sure.
Any ideas???
 
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Fluffy, the telltale sign of being keto adapted is that you're never hungry (and mean never), but some people do get hungry after a while, and you saying that you've been like that to some extent before the ketogenic diet, is going to make that aspect questionable. The energy and ability to concentrate for very long periods of time is the other telltale sign. So look for that, I guess.

Yes, the keto stix become kinda useless when keto adapted because your body will utilize the ketones to a very large extent. The blood keto meters are what you need to use for an objective measure, so if you don't want to buy one, the only other way to know is that you always eat 75 to 85% of your daily calories as fat, and never eat more than 25 to 30 grams of net carbs (i.e. not counting fiber) daily - lower is even better. In that situation, your body has no alternative except to be in fat burning mode/ketosis. After anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months everyone will be adapted, even if they still have some bugs to work out. Hope this helps.
 
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SeekinTruth said:
Fluffy, the telltale sign of being keto adapted is that you're never hungry (and mean never), but some people do get hungry after a while, and you saying that you've been like that to some extent before the ketogenic diet, is going to make that aspect questionable. The energy and ability to concentrate for very long periods of time is the other telltale sign. So look for that, I guess.
I'd just add that the flavor of the hunger should be different. When not adapted, some may have what I call the grumpy hungries where the feeling is "I need to eat now!". This is opposed to feeling more like "I could eat, but it's not urgent." One is more emotional than the other.
 
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truth seeker said:
SeekinTruth said:
Fluffy, the telltale sign of being keto adapted is that you're never hungry (and mean never), but some people do get hungry after a while, and you saying that you've been like that to some extent before the ketogenic diet, is going to make that aspect questionable. The energy and ability to concentrate for very long periods of time is the other telltale sign. So look for that, I guess.
I'd just add that the flavor of the hunger should be different. When not adapted, some may have what I call the grumpy hungries where the feeling is "I need to eat now!". This is opposed to feeling more like "I could eat, but it's not urgent." One is more emotional than the other.


I'm going through the different flavors of hunger right now, I've cut-off gluten about ten day days ago. I'm going through some very interesting experiences. I have that feeling "I have to eat right now", also lot of cravings, urge for some particular food, not feel satisfied or "full". There are so many mind tricks, deeply rooted habits, automatically behavior... In the first few days I've experienced so many feelings connected to hunger, like sadness and anger. I try to observe it and be with my feelings. Also, many things helps, like, sometimes, when I'm angry, I jump around a little or punch a pillow or something. :D And I really try not to run away from that, I remind myself that it's ok to feel, feelings aren't going to hurt me or something. And I really try to remember those feelings. When I don't have cravings then trying to remember that particular feeling of satisfaction and so on.

Oh, it's so hard and at the same time so interesting! I was always aware that my personal relation to food has to do with so much emotions and other people and events from my life and experience of that brought me so many emotional things to process.
 
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Flow said:
I'm going through the different flavors of hunger right now, I've cut-off gluten about ten day days ago. I'm going through some very interesting experiences. I have that feeling "I have to eat right now", also lot of cravings, urge for some particular food, not feel satisfied or "full". There are so many mind tricks, deeply rooted habits, automatically behavior... In the first few days I've experienced so many feelings connected to hunger, like sadness and anger. I try to observe it and be with my feelings. Also, many things helps, like, sometimes, when I'm angry, I jump around a little or punch a pillow or something. :D And I really try not to run away from that, I remind myself that it's ok to feel, feelings aren't going to hurt me or something. And I really try to remember those feelings. When I don't have cravings then trying to remember that particular feeling of satisfaction and so on.

Oh, it's so hard and at the same time so interesting! I was always aware that my personal relation to food has to do with so much emotions and other people and events from my life and experience of that brought me so many emotional things to process.

If you've newly cut out gluten (and cutting it out is very important), then you're probably also going through a mild opioid withdrawal, since gluten, following digestion, has an opioid effect on the brain. (The same goes for casein in milk products.) So it may at this stage be hard to tell the causes of cravings and "emotional hunger" apart. But the higher energy levels are a good sign regarding keto-adaptation. Keep up the good work, and over time it should both become easier and clearer where you are at on the whole.
 
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mugatea said:
Are you not intermittent fasting? If not, why not?

Jamie

Hello Jamie, The short answer is because I had no idea what intermittent fasting was until this morning. :-[

The long answer I have decided to share to give others an understanding of how knowledge protects and ignorance endangers on a small scale.
I wrongly assumed that intermittent fasting was simply fasting for one or more days a month/week. I had seen the term a few times here and never bothered to look it up because I thought I knew what it meant. So when I read your question after having fasted just the day before. I thought to myself "of course I'm intermittent fasting! I fast every now and then, Why would he ask such a thing from what I wrote?" and self importance reared it's ugly head and I was going to write back that I was confused that you had asked that and that of course I did fast. I was ignorant of what intermittent fasting actually was and it caused me to be irked by the question because I was thinking "why would he question me?"
Coincidentally I read some really good advice elsewhere on the forum just the day before that if you read a post that irritates you, you should hold off on posting back to give you the chance to reflect on why and so that you can think about it rationally and reply intellectually instead of emotionally. So I didn't reply and I thought about it and I realised that I didn't fast as often as I should and that it was one of my "weak areas" where I would often plan on fasting then fail after an few hours or so.
So really I was irritated at myself for not following through on my intentions. This caused me to have a look for articles that would advise me how often to fast and this was when I came across an article all about intermittent fasting. So that was when I learned what it was and I felt a bit silly at not knowing what it was and misunderstanding your question and being irked by it. So I thought I would share this here as a lesson for others and also share the article for other people too.

So I would like to thank you Jamie for being a part of my lesson that I should be learning and thinking before leaping! :)

Also I am going to begin intermittent fasting. I'm and early riser and normally eat the most in the morning, then some at lunch and usually only snack at night so I am almost there already. I will have my "eating time" starting at about 6am till 2pm. Is this something people do as a permanent thing?

Here is the article I found:

http://jamesclear.com/the-beginners-guide-to-intermittent-fasting

I have been intermittent fasting for over one year.

I skip breakfast each day and eat two meals, the first around 1pm and the second around 8pm. Then, I fast for 16 hours until I start eating again the next day at 1pm.

Surprisingly, since I’ve started intermittent fasting I’ve increased muscle mass (up 10 pounds from 205 to 215), decreased body fat (down 3% from 14% to 11%), increased explosiveness (set a personal best with a clean and jerk of 253 pounds a few months back), and decreased the amount of time I’ve spent training (down from 7.5 hours per week to 2.5 hours per week).

In other words, I’m stronger, leaner, and more explosive even though I go to the gym less and eat less.

You may be wondering…

How is this possible? Isn’t skipping breakfast bad for you? Why would anyone fast for 16 hours every day? What are the benefits? Is there any science behind this or are you just crazy? Is it dangerous?

Slow down, friend. I’ve been known to do some crazy things, but this is totally legit. It’s easy to implement into your lifestyle and there are tons of health benefits.

In this post, I’m going to break down intermittent fasting and everything that goes with it. And if you’d like even more ideas for living a healthy life (both mentally and physically) then you can join the free newsletter here.

What is Intermittent Fasting and Why Would You Do It?

Intermittent fasting is not a diet, it’s a pattern of eating. It’s a way of scheduling your meals so that you get the most out of them. Intermittent fasting doesn’t change what you eat, it changes when you eat.

Why is it worthwhile to change when you’re eating?

Well, most notably, it’s a great way to get lean without going on a crazy diet or cutting your calories down to nothing. In fact, most of the time you’ll try to keep your calories the same when you start intermittent fasting. (Most people eat bigger meals during a shorter time frame.) Additionally, intermittent fasting is a good way to keep muscle mass on while getting lean.

With all that said, the main reason people try intermittent fasting is to lose fat. We’ll talk about how intermittent fasting leads to fat loss in a moment.

Perhaps most importantly, intermittent fasting is one of the simplest strategies we have for taking bad weight off while keeping good weight on because it requires very little behavior change. This is a very good thing because it means intermittent fasting falls into the category of “simple enough that you’ll actually do it, but meaningful enough that it will actually make a difference.”

How Does Intermittent Fasting Work?

To understand how intermittent fasting leads to fat loss we first need to understand the difference between the fed state and the fasted state.

Your body is in the fed state when it is digesting and absorbing food. Typically, the fed state starts when you begin eating and lasts for three to five hours as your body digests and absorbs the food you just ate. When you are in the fed state, it’s very hard for your body to burn fat because your insulin levels are high.

After that timespan, your body goes into what is known as the post–absorptive state, which is just a fancy way of saying that your body isn’t processing a meal. The post–absorptive state lasts until 8 to 12 hours after your last meal, which is when you enter the fasted state. It is much easier for you body to burn fat in the fasted state because your insulin levels are low.

When you’re in the fasted state your body can burn fat that has been inaccessible during the fed state.

Because we don’t enter the fasted state until 12 hours after our last meal, it’s rare that our bodies are in this fat burning state. This is one of the reasons why many people who start intermittent fasting will lose fat without changing what they eat, how much they eat, or how often they exercise. Fasting puts your body in a fat burning state that you rarely make it to during a normal eating schedule.

The Benefits of Intermittent Fasting

Fat loss is great, but it isn’t the only reason to try intermittent fasting.

1. Intermittent fasting makes your day simpler.

I’m big on behavior change, simplicity, and reducing stress. Intermittent fasting provides additional simplicity to my life that I really enjoy. When I wake up, I don’t worry about breakfast. I just grab a glass of water and start my day.

I enjoy eating and I don’t mind cooking, so eating three meals a day was never a hassle for me. However, intermittent fasting allows me to eat one less meal, which also means planning one less meal, cooking one less meal, and stressing about one less meal. It makes life a bit simpler and I like that.

2. Intermittent fasting helps you live longer.

Scientists have long known that restricting calories is a way of lengthening life. From a logical standpoint, this makes sense. When you’re starving, your body finds ways to extend your life.

There’s just one problem: who wants to starve themselves in the name of living longer?

I don’t know about you, but I’m interested in enjoying a long life. Starving myself doesn’t sound that appetizing.

The good news is that intermittent fasting activates many of the same mechanisms for extending life as calorie restriction. In other words, you get the benefits of a longer life without the hassle of starving.

Way back in 1945 it was discovered that intermittent fasting extended life in mice. (Here’s the study.) More recently, this study found that alternate day intermittent fasting led to longer lifespans.

3. Intermittent fasting may reduce the risk of cancer.

This one is up for debate because there hasn’t been a lot of research and experimentation done on the relationship between cancer and fasting. Early reports, however, look positive.

This study of 10 cancer patients suggests that the side effects of chemotherapy may be diminished by fasting before treatment. This finding is also supported by another study which used alternate day fasting with cancer patients and concluded that fasting before chemotherapy would result in better cure rates and fewer deaths.

Finally, this comprehensive analysis of many studies on fasting and disease has concluded that fasting appears to not only reduce the risk of cancer, but also cardiovascular disease.

4. Intermittent fasting is much easier than dieting.

The reason most diets fail isn’t because we switch to the wrong foods, it’s because we don’t actually follow the diet over the long term. It’s not a nutrition problem, it’s a behavior change problem.

This is where intermittent fasting shines because it’s remarkably easy to implement once you get over the idea that you need to eat all the time. For example, this study found that intermittent fasting was an effective strategy for weight loss in obese adults and concluded that “subjects quickly adapt” to an intermittent fasting routine.

I like the quote below from Dr. Michael Eades, who has tried intermittent fasting himself, on the difference between trying a diet and trying intermittent fasting.

Diets are easy in the contemplation, difficult in the execution. Intermittent fasting is just the opposite — it’s difficult in the contemplation but easy in the execution.

Most of us have contemplated going on a diet. When we find a diet that appeals to us, it seems as if it will be a breeze to do. But when we get into the nitty gritty of it, it becomes tough. For example, I stay on a low–carb diet almost all the time. But if I think about going on a low–fat diet, it looks easy. I think about bagels, whole wheat bread and jelly, mashed potatoes, corn, bananas by the dozen, etc. — all of which sound appealing. But were I to embark on such a low–fat diet I would soon tire of it and wish I could have meat and eggs. So a diet is easy in contemplation, but not so easy in the long–term execution.

Intermittent fasting is hard in the contemplation, of that there is no doubt. “You go without food for 24 hours?” people would ask, incredulously when we explained what we were doing. “I could never do that.” But once started, it’s a snap. No worries about what and where to eat for one or two out of the three meals per day. It’s a great liberation. Your food expenditures plummet. And you’re not particularly hungry. … Although it’s tough to overcome the idea of going without food, once you begin the regimen, nothing could be easier.

— Dr. Michael Eades

In my opinion, the ease of intermittent fasting is best reason to give it a try. It provides a wide range of health benefits without requiring a massive lifestyle change.

Examples of Different Intermittent Fasting Schedules

If you’re considering giving fasting a shot, there are a few different options for working it into your lifestyle.

Daily Intermittent Fasting

Most of the time, I follow the Leangains model of intermittent fasting, which uses a 16–hour fast followed by an 8–hour eating period. This model of daily intermittent fasting was popularized by Martin Berkhan of Leangains.com, which is where the name originated.

It doesn’t matter when you start your 8–hour eating period. You can start at 8am and stop at 4pm. Or you start at 2pm and stop at 10pm. Do whatever works for you. I tend to find that eating around 1pm and 8pm works well because those times allow me to eat lunch and dinner with friends and family. Breakfast is typically a meal that I eat on my own, so skipping it isn’t a big deal.

Leangains daily intermittent fasting

Because daily intermittent fasting is done every day it becomes very easy to get into the habit of eating on this schedule. Right now, you’re probably eating around the same time every day without thinking about it. Well, with daily intermittent fasting it’s the same thing, you just learn to not eat at certain times, which is remarkably easy.

One potential disadvantage of this schedule is that because you typically cut out a meal or two out of your day, it becomes more difficult to get the same number of calories in during the week. Put simply, it’s tough to teach yourself to eat bigger meals on a consistent basis. The result is that many people who try this style of intermittent fasting end up losing weight. That can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on your goals.

This is probably a good time to mention that while I have practiced intermittent fasting consistently for the last year, I’m not fanatical about my diet. I work on building healthy habits that guide my behavior 90% of the time, so that I can do whatever I feel like during the other 10%. If I come over to your house to watch the football game and we order pizza at 11pm, guess what? I don’t care that it’s outside my feeding period, I’m eating it.

Weekly Intermittent Fasting

One of the best ways to get started with intermittent fasting is to do it once per week or once per month. The occasional fast has been shown to lead to many of the benefits we’ve already talked about, so even if you don’t use it to cut down on calories consistently there are still many other health benefits.

The graphic below shows one example of how a weekly intermittent fast might play out.



In this example, lunch on Monday is your last meal of the day. You then fast until lunch on Tuesday. This schedule has the advantage of allowing you to eat everyday of the week while still reaping the benefits of fasting for 24 hours. It’s also less likely that you’ll lose weight because you are only cutting out two meals per week. So, if you’re looking to bulk up or keep weight on, then this is a great option.

I’ve done 24–hour fasts in the past (I just did one last month) and there are a wide range of variations and options for making it work into your schedule. For example, a long day of travel or the day after a big holiday feast are often great times to throw in a 24–hour fast.

Perhaps the biggest benefit of doing a 24–hour fast is getting over the mental barrier of fasting. If you’ve never fasted before, successfully completing your first one helps you realize that you won’t die if you don’t eat for a day.

Alternate Day Intermittent Fasting

Alternate day intermittent fasting incorporates longer fasting periods on alternating days throughout the week.

For example, in the graphic below you would eat dinner on Monday night and then not eat again until Tuesday evening. On Wednesday, however, you would eat all day and then start the 24–hour fasting cycle again after dinner on Wednesday evening. This allows you to get long fast periods on a consistent basis while also eating at least one meal every day of the week.



This style of intermittent fasting seems to be used often in research studies, but from what I have seen it isn’t very popular in the real world. I’ve never tried alternate day fasting myself and I don’t plan to do so.

The benefit of alternate day intermittent fasting is that it gives you longer time in the fasted state than the Leangains style of fasting. Hypothetically, this would increase the benefits you receive from fasting.

In practice, however, I would be concerned with eating enough. Based on my experience, teaching yourself to consistently eat more is one of the harder parts of intermittent fasting. You might be able to feast for a meal, but learning to do so every day of the week takes a little bit of planning, a lot of cooking, and consistent eating. The end result is that most people who try intermittent fasting end up losing some weight because the size of their meals remains similar even though a few meals are being cut out each week.

If you’re looking to lose weight, this isn’t a problem. And even if you’re happy with your weight, this won’t prove to be too much of an issue if you follow the daily fasting or weekly fasting schedules. However, if you’re fasting for 24 hours per day on multiple days per week, then it’s going to be very difficult to eat enough of your feast days to make up for that.

As a result, I think it’s a better idea to try daily intermittent fasting or a single 24–hour fast once per week or once per month.

Frequently Asked Questions, Concerns, and Complaints

I’m a woman. Should I do anything differently?

I haven’t worked with women on implementing an intermittent fasting schedule, so I can’t speak from experience on this one.

That said, I have heard that women may find a wider window of eating to be more favorable when doing daily intermittent fasting. While men will typically fast for 16 hours and then eat for 8 hours, women may find better results by eating for 10 hours and fasting for 14 hours. The best advice I can give anyone, not just women, is to experiment and see what works best for you. Your body will give you signals. Follow what your body responds favorably to.

Also, if you’re a female, there is an all‐female group on Facebook that follows intermittent fasting. I’m sure you could find a ton of great answers and support there.

I could never skip breakfast. How do you do it?

I don’t. Breakfast foods are my favorite, so I just eat them at 1pm each day.

Also, if you eat a big dinner the night before, I think you’ll be surprised by how much energy you have in the morning. Most of the worries or concerns that people have about intermittent fasting are due to the fact that they have had it pounded into them by companies that they need to eat breakfast or they need to eat every three hours and so on. The science doesn’t support it and neither do my personal experiences.

I thought you were supposed to eat every 3 hours?

You may have heard people say that you should have six meals per day or eat every 3 hours or something like that.

Here’s why this was a popular idea for a brief period of time:

Your body burns calories when it’s processing food. So the thought behind the more meals strategy was that if you ate more frequently, you would also burn more calories throughout the day. Thus, eating more meals should help you lose weight.

Here’s the problem:

The amount of calories you burn is proportional to the size of the meal your body is processing. So, digesting six smaller meals that add up to 2000 calories burns the same amount of energy as processing two large meals of 1000 calories each.

It doesn’t matter if you get your calories in 10 meals or in 1 meal, you’ll end up in the same place.

This is crazy. If I didn’t eat for 24 hours, I’d die.

Honestly, I think the mental barrier is the biggest thing that prevents people from fasting because it’s really not that hard to do in practice.

Here are a few reasons why intermittent fasting isn’t as crazy as you think it is.

First, fasting has been practiced by various religious groups for centuries. Medical practitioners have also noted the health benefits of fasting for thousands of years. In other words, fasting isn’t some new fad or crazy marketing ploy. It’s been around for a long time and it actually works.

Second, fasting seems foreign to many of us simply because nobody talks about it that much. The reason for this is that nobody stands to make much money by telling you to not eat their products, not take their supplements, or not buy their goods. In other words, fasting isn’t a very marketable topic and so you’re not exposed to advertising and marketing on it very often. The result is that it seems somewhat extreme or strange, even though its really not.

Third, you’ve probably already fasted many times, even though you don’t know it. Have you ever slept in late on the weekends and then had a late brunch? Some people do this every weekend. In situations like these, we often eat dinner the night before and then don’t eat until 11am or noon or even later. There’s your 16–hour fast and you didn’t even think about it.

Finally, I would suggest doing one 24–hour fast even if you don’t plan on doing intermittent fasting frequently. It’s good to teach yourself that you’ll survive just fine without food for a day. Plus, as I’ve outlined with multiple research studies throughout this article, there are a lot of health benefits.
 
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Also here is the quote from Obyvatel, thanks for sharing this, it's helped me a lot.
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One thumb rule I have found useful is to check if a post evokes irritation or dislike - and if it does, hold off on replying until the rational capacities of the mind can take the driver's seat again. This temporary holding off can be useful to the poster as well as the reader. This way the points that need to be made can be expressed better and hopefully have a more productive than reactive effect.
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Prodigal Son said:
mugatea said:
ok thanks.

I've been eating only between 12pm and 6pm (not all days though) so many days there is a 18 hour fast with no food. Just to clarify you say "two meals a day (breakfast and dinner)" plus a fatbomb for lunch. Does the fatbomb not count as a meal? Also that could be a 14 hour fast, is that still IF?

Thanks for you help.

Jamie
The fat bomb does not count as a meal. A 14 hour fast is still IF, yes.

Yes, the fat bomb CAN count as a meal!!!!
 
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I did wonder...

Btw, I'm back on the carbs, just a small side-dish of peas and butter to try to curb the squirts. Also today I made a double batch of coffee-choc fat bomb and some homemade mayo so that's the fat sorted for the next couple of weeks. I'm also attempting to make Sauerkraut and it's currently fermenting since I made it Sunday. I've never made it before and not sure if it's ok or not or how prone it is to spoiling if not done right. It' has a smell which I hope is normal but I'm thinking the good bacteria that ferments it makes it a pretty awesome gut healing food.
 
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mugatea said:
I'm also attempting to make Sauerkraut and it's currently fermenting since I made it Sunday. I've never made it before and not sure if it's ok or not or how prone it is to spoiling if not done right. It' has a smell which I hope is normal but I'm thinking the good bacteria that ferments it makes it a pretty awesome gut healing food.

Hey mugatea, you can check this topic for fermented foods if you didn't: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30312.0.html


Psalehesost said:
If you've newly cut out gluten (and cutting it out is very important), then you're probably also going through a mild opioid withdrawal, since gluten, following digestion, has an opioid effect on the brain. (The same goes for casein in milk products.) So it may at this stage be hard to tell the causes of cravings and "emotional hunger" apart. But the higher energy levels are a good sign regarding keto-adaptation. Keep up the good work, and over time it should both become easier and clearer where you are at on the whole.

Thank you, Psalehesost, I'll try to keep up! :)
 
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