Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

munaychasumaq

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I would like to report that before to start with the Ketogenic diet my weight was 50 kilos,now after more than one year and a half my weight is 45 kilos.I feel much better of course but i do not want to lose more weight.i really know if i come back a little bit to re-introduce bread i will recover some weight but this is not the point...maybe i have to learn to make gluten free bread...Some advice and suggestions:flowers:
 

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I would like to report that before to start with the Ketogenic diet my weight was 50 kilos,now after more than one year and a half my weight is 45 kilos.I feel much better of course but i do not want to lose more weight.i really know if i come back a little bit to re-introduce bread i will recover some weight but this is not the point...maybe i have to learn to make gluten free bread...Some advice and suggestions:flowers:
It depends on how you sensitive you are to carbs and how your metabolism works. I find eating too many carbs has the opposite effect and I lose weight (weird!), along with blood sugar imbalances as well as aches and pains. But I usually make sweet potatoes or green veggies and saute them in a LOT of fat as a means of getting more calories and I also don't measure my protein as much anymore. Along with resistance training, I've noticed my weight steady out and I've put on some more muscle as well. Hopefully that helps.
 

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I would like to report that before to start with the Ketogenic diet my weight was 50 kilos,now after more than one year and a half my weight is 45 kilos.I feel much better of course but i do not want to lose more weight.i really know if i come back a little bit to re-introduce bread i will recover some weight but this is not the point...maybe i have to learn to make gluten free bread...Some advice and suggestions:flowers:
I understand you don't want to lose more weight, and it looks from what you've reported that the weight loss has been gradual? (averages to 280 grams(0.5 pound) per month). My understanding is that with a good diet your body should normalize its weight and hormones, so I would just stick with what you've doing (has it consistently been the same food types?) and see if you continue to lose weight AND what your physical sensations are. It is difficult to advise really as I don't know how much of what you are eating, and when, and if you are doing fasting or intermittent fasting, and your stress levels. I am no expert, but the more knowledge the easier to understand!
 

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I would like to report that before to start with the Ketogenic diet my weight was 50 kilos,now after more than one year and a half my weight is 45 kilos.I feel much better of course but i do not want to lose more weight.i really know if i come back a little bit to re-introduce bread i will recover some weight but this is not the point...maybe i have to learn to make gluten free bread...Some advice and suggestions:flowers:
anartist posted a link to the Diet Doctor website on the previous page of this thread which has a lot of good articles, including this one on gaining weight on low carb/keto.

How to gain weight on low carb or keto - Diet Doctor
 

munaychasumaq

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Thanks Turgon,anartist and dugdeep for your feedback.As anartist said with a good diet the body will normalize its weight and hormones,so i hope is going to be my case.I lose weight gradually.I have muscle and good energy in normal terms.Basically for breakfast i usually have broths with kimchi some egg,avocado and a glass of kombucha.More less at 13.00 hours i eat an egg as a sneak and drink more kombucha,then at 17.00 hours i take a lunch that could be:pork,meat,leaver,chicken,fish/ fermented potatoes,veggies,rice,quinoa,buckwheat, (fermented mode) and then at 21:00 i can eat some rest from lunch.The body do not ask for "sweet staff"and i avoid gluten and dairy due some intolerance,but sometimes i eat ecological bread.(just to say i am server and in summer time we have a lot of movement,but i have certain discipline with my diet)
Dugdeep i read the link and basically is the type of food i ate and it is good to know that if we want to gain weight we need to avoid fasting and there is interesting tips i will keep in mind and recipes.THANKS AMIGOS:-)
 
After 3 weeks of carnivore I have lost around 8lbs but it really began to fly off when I began to exercise with it (around 1lb a day). The belly fat has really gone which is always nice. I'm quite slim so dont want to lose more especially around the face. I wanted to eat more so last two days I've had a little greens at dinner with plenty of butter, first day was a pea and asparagus mix and yesterday it was fried broccoli and cauliflower blended with tons of butter as a side and it's utterly delicious. But last two days I've found it so hard to get out of bed so today and tomorrow I'm going back to pure carnivore to test if it was the greens.

I haven;t seen too much about carnivore on here and I have looked but what I would say is that anyone wanting to get keto adapted the carnivore diet is a great way to do it, then you can start bringing carbs in later. Last time I did Keto, the cravings of sugar and the rest just made it so hard, but going zero carb seems to make the cravings less than teasing your body with just a very low amount just like it's easier to stop smoking cold turkey than to cut down to just one or two (for most people). Also not having to measure your carbs, fat, protein and make all these measured recipes take the pressure right off for a beginner plus it requires very little prep time. I'm liking the carnivore diet, I think I prefer it to Keto just cause how simple it is. But I do think its a great way of starting a keto diet and also a great way to eliminate everything before slowly bringing it back. I think it's viewed as extreme even by some people that do Keto, but I don't think it is really, meat has everything the body needs, very low vit c though, but you only really need that with carbs from what I understand and I'm sure as a species we are well adapted to periods of time when meat has been plenty and we ate just delicious fatty meat.
 
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Well, I don't use it as often as before. I use it for cakes mostly, but when I make homemade chocolates (for example), I use coconut sugar instead (date sugar sometimes). Coconut sugar is very yummy, for those who can tolerate it.

BTW, for chocolate addicts, here's a very simple and delicious recipe for homemade chocolate:
-1 cup of raw organic cocoa butter
- 1/2 to 3/4 cup of raw cocoa powder
- 1/2 cup of sweetener (whatever works best for you)
- spices (cinnamon, ginger, etc) & vanilla extract, or whatever flavour floats your boat.

Put the cocoa butter on low heat. When it's melted, take it off the stove. Add the cocoa powder, the sweetener and the spices + vanilla. Blend everything, put the mixture into small silicon moulds, and let them rest in the fridge for a couple of hours. And then, enjoy :)
Thanks for this recipe, Adaryn! :flowers:

I have tried it out a few time, in various different ways and alterations in the ingredients.

Yesterday's batch of this contained ginger, tumeric, sea salt and cinnamon. I used Xylitol as a sweetner though I find it sediments or collects and settles in high concentrations so I add it in the middle, between the cacao power and cacao butter for a more even consistentcy. Still delicious as all get out! Next I want to try using liquid Stevia.

Try them with coconut cream, if tolerated. I eat them with it and it works really well. I have considered adding coconut cream to make a white chocolate batch. Something to bear in mind for next time :-D

Here are some photos of them in a silicon mould:

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This video is an ad for a ketone supplement to get the body into ketosis, but the first 3 minutes are a great laymen's crash course for ketosis. It could be worth sharing with people who aren't familiar with the diet and need a quick intro.
 

mb

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Recently, I returned to a ketogenic diet after five years off. In late 2013 I experienced severe colon problems that returned to normal levels when I went off the diet. I say "normal levels" because I've had colon problems my entire life.

I learned quite a bit in the past five years, and especially in the past six months, and I have decided that the benefits, for me, outweigh the risks, now that I know more about what is going on. No amount of online research or consulting with alternative practitioners, or experimenting with with different diets would have helped. All of the key pieces of the puzzle have come from medical test results. The medical advice that has followed from those results has generally not been good, but that's where personal research comes in.

My mother's family, for generations back, had insulin-related problems. I don't know exactly what my mother's symptoms were -- what do I know is that they were "diabetes-like" -- but her father died of Alzheimers, as did her brother and sister, and earlier generations of people along her surname line had diabetes. I was warned about it as a child.

I also have problems with insulin, that present as overweight, elevated plasma glucose, and, I strongly suspect, heart disease. Unfortunately, early death from heart attacks ran in my father's family (he died of one at 58, and one of his brothers died of one in his late 40's), so the heart problems are already no surprise. My calcium score is very high, as my father's would have been if there had been such a thing back then, and I suspect high insulin as the cause. I also have high LDL-C, but I am not convinced that that is the principle problem. I doubt that it helps, but it seems to be caused by a congenital hormone problem that originates in the mitochondria.

There was one other vital piece of information that I did not have previously while following a ketogenic diet. The severe symptoms I experienced, it turns out, are characteristic of a hereditary birth defect that I didn't know I had, although my father once mentioned it as a possibility, nearly 50 years ago. It's called "redundant colon." My ascending colon grew longer than it should have, creating a bend or curl at the transition to the transverse colon. I haven't done further testing yet to obtain more details, but it is bad enough that a colonoscope cannot pass through it, and that's how I learned about it. Apparently food doesn't pass through very well either.

I believe now that the severe GI symptoms five years ago were caused by a deficiency in plant foods in my diet. I didn't just cut out carbs; I largely cut out plants. I am not crazy about plant foods, but it seems that either too little or too much can be very bad for me. I have been eating more of them, while avoiding excess fiber or carbs, for two years now with positive results. I could be wrong about this, but I have little to lose at this point by experimenting with a ketogenic diet again.
 

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Thanks for sharing mb. I can only imagine what you've went through. It can be very debilitating to have different health issues not knowing precisely why and how to solve them, and also having doctors who, most probably with good intentions, don't know exactly what's the cause and give a guidance which doesn't really help.

You seem to have gathered plenty of knowledge throughout the years, so I think that if you feel ready to come back to a keto diet, that's great, just go slowly and checking if any of your symptoms gets worse.

Wishing you the best!
 

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I'm so glad to hear that you are finding out what is best for you mb! It does take a while for everybody, I think, until you find the right mix. As long as you are feeling better, then you must be on the right track! If you are interested, I recommend that you check this thread out:
All About Fasting
There are some things in there that may help with your condition.

ADDED: I forgot to also point you to this other thread, in case it's something you want to try. They have been getting excellent results with bones! Quinton Plasma/Water, or "percutaneous hydrotomy"
 
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mb

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Thank you Chu. I have been fasting intermittently for a long time, and for longer periods since dropping into keto again. All of this is familiar and usual from my earlier experiences. I will look through the fasting thread and the other one to see what stands out.

I retired two years ago, and I put on a lot of weight in my last months before that, a combination of stress and availability of free snacks. From that, I see that I am extremely susceptible to weight gain from refined carbs. Ridiculously so. When I returned to my normal, limited carb diet (not ketogenic), my weight came back down slowly, to a point, over two years. As far as I know, for me, the only way to burn off the visceral fat and return to a healthy weight is with a ketogenic diet.

It seems strange to me that a ketogenic diet would be a necessity. Humans have historically had success with a wide range of diets, and I haven't see convincing evidence that any of them were ketogenic. But there is something unprecedented going on. Many people I know are showing signs of metabolic disease, and for quite a few it is severe. I belong to a single seniors group where most people are 10 years or more older than me, and metabolic disease is rampant there.

I think I understand many of the details now about what is happening. Seeing the bigger picture is harder. In my own life I can see a hereditary predisposition to insulin resistance, combined with eating bad food for the first 45 years, that put me over some sort of brink. In the earlier years, when I started to gain too much weight I would simply eat less and bring it down. Later on, that didn't work any more. I don't know when the transition occurred.

With other people I would guess that it is much the same thing happening, although usually without the hereditary insulin issue, but the food they ate & eat might be even worse. Eventually, something happens and ordinary means will not restore homeostasis. Something like a ketogenic diet is then needed, and it may have to be permanent.

My guess is that the "something" that happens is progression of diabetes, but at this point I can't wait around for clarification if I am to continue on. I know a lot of sick people that are just going on with their lives as if the disease were normal and there was nothing they could do. I am not one of them.
 
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