Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

[Beau]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

After thorough research, I finally found a local butcher who seems to have some really good meat (will ask him if it's grass-fed).

Make sure they are also grass-FINISHED, not grain finished. A lot of butchers will grass feed their animals but finish them with grain to fatten them up.

I was wondering though, for making bone broth, if anyone knows which bones have the most marrow or are generally thickest? Hopefully they would have it.

Ask for shank bones, those have lots of nutritious goodies in them.

 

[Foxx]

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I was wondering though, for making bone broth, if anyone knows which bones have the most marrow or are generally thickest? Hopefully they would have it.

I think joints may also be good for their connective tissue.

 

[Eboard10]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

After thorough research, I finally found a local butcher who seems to have some really good meat (will ask him if it's grass-fed).

Make sure they are also grass-FINISHED, not grain finished. A lot of butchers will grass feed their animals but finish them with grain to fatten them up.

I was wondering though, for making bone broth, if anyone knows which bones have the most marrow or are generally thickest? Hopefully they would have it.

Ask for shank bones, those have lots of nutritious goodies in them.

Thanks Heimdallr, will ask when I go this weekend.

 

[RflctnOfU]

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WOW! Very exciting experiment going on. I just finished catching up with the thread. I will be purchasing marrow bones for my first batch of broth tomorrow! Over the past couple of days I have been eating primarily bacon. The first couple of nights I experienced a little discomfort in the intestinal region, but last night it was easy-peesy :) It seems that transitioning to fat from carbs won't be horrendous based on my 'pre-KD-experiment' experiment.

I have a question regarding the bacon fat. What is the best storage method for this? I suspect it will be delicious adding that as fat to the broth.

Kris

 

[Lilou]

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I have a question regarding the bacon fat. What is the best storage method for this? I suspect it will be delicious adding that as fat to the broth.

I keep my bacon fat in a pint sized jar with a lid in the fridge. It seems to keep for quite a long time that way. I use it to fry eggs and hamburgers, but I bet it'd be delicious in bone broth too. I'll have to give it a go on my next batch.

 

[RflctnOfU]

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I have a question regarding the bacon fat. What is the best storage method for this? I suspect it will be delicious adding that as fat to the broth.

I keep my bacon fat in a pint sized jar with a lid in the fridge. It seems to keep for quite a long time that way. I use it to fry eggs and hamburgers, but I bet it'd be delicious in bone broth too. I'll have to give it a go on my next batch.

Okay. Thanks for the tip. :D

Kris

 

[Ollie]

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My energy levels have more or less stabalised now, which is good. I am cutting out the black and green tea from now on as they cause fluctuations in my mood, and can lead to anxiety when I over indulge.

Physical strength in terms of weight lifting has not really improved beyond a few extra reps, but I am not so worried about it as I was already at a fair level of strength and I am not getting any weaker. I went rock climbing with a few friends yesterday, and despite pushing myself very hard and enjoying it thoroughly for ~3 hours, my arm/back muscles do not feel sore today. I seem to recover very fast on this diet :) .

Walking long distances no longer gives me fatigue, and I haven't had that foggy, jelly-like feeling in quite a while. The only times I feel drained are after a long day in Uni or a shift in work, where I feel distant and drained, without much energy. I usually don't eat throughout the day apart from some bone broth, and this may be contributing to it, as I feel much better as soon as I get back home and have my 2nd meal. I will experiment with taking a light lunch such as bacon/scrambled eggs and see if there are any changes.

Focus in lectures and studies has improved greatly, despite studying a subject that doesn't particularly interest me anymore. I can make myself concentrate for a whole 2 hour lecture, and it just seems to 'slot in' to my mind much more easily. I remember last semester I would sit there daydreaming, briefly forcing myself to focus before losing track again and just getting bored. Things seem to have changed a lot, though it's not always obvious until I compare it to how I used to feel.

Sleep is also becoming longer, probably due to heading into winter. Gone are the 6 hour ultra-refreshing sleeps, unfortunately. I usually crash out from tiredness at around 11, and get woken up by my alarm clock at 7am. It's still dark outside, usually raining, and I am pretty slow to start in the mornings now, forcing myself out of bed. Still, I no longer get any depression about it like I used to, it's more like 'okay let's just get up and get on with it, no whining'.

Great news on your energy levels and progress on this diet, I've experienced something similar with long walks too. Just one point, scrambled eggs are other than recommended, due to the fact that breaking up the yolk and then heating it causes problems (do a search, it came up a long while ago, in terms of where we are now), a hard boiled egg would be much better, and cold bacon is easy to accommodate as well. Like you, I'm finding waking a problem as dawn is now much later, as well as sleeping in a totally dark bedroom.

 

[Carl]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

My energy levels have more or less stabalised now, which is good. I am cutting out the black and green tea from now on as they cause fluctuations in my mood, and can lead to anxiety when I over indulge.

Physical strength in terms of weight lifting has not really improved beyond a few extra reps, but I am not so worried about it as I was already at a fair level of strength and I am not getting any weaker. I went rock climbing with a few friends yesterday, and despite pushing myself very hard and enjoying it thoroughly for ~3 hours, my arm/back muscles do not feel sore today. I seem to recover very fast on this diet :) .

Walking long distances no longer gives me fatigue, and I haven't had that foggy, jelly-like feeling in quite a while. The only times I feel drained are after a long day in Uni or a shift in work, where I feel distant and drained, without much energy. I usually don't eat throughout the day apart from some bone broth, and this may be contributing to it, as I feel much better as soon as I get back home and have my 2nd meal. I will experiment with taking a light lunch such as bacon/scrambled eggs and see if there are any changes.

Focus in lectures and studies has improved greatly, despite studying a subject that doesn't particularly interest me anymore. I can make myself concentrate for a whole 2 hour lecture, and it just seems to 'slot in' to my mind much more easily. I remember last semester I would sit there daydreaming, briefly forcing myself to focus before losing track again and just getting bored. Things seem to have changed a lot, though it's not always obvious until I compare it to how I used to feel.

Sleep is also becoming longer, probably due to heading into winter. Gone are the 6 hour ultra-refreshing sleeps, unfortunately. I usually crash out from tiredness at around 11, and get woken up by my alarm clock at 7am. It's still dark outside, usually raining, and I am pretty slow to start in the mornings now, forcing myself out of bed. Still, I no longer get any depression about it like I used to, it's more like 'okay let's just get up and get on with it, no whining'.

Great news on your energy levels and progress on this diet, I've experienced something similar with long walks too. Just one point, scrambled eggs are other than recommended, due to the fact that breaking up the yolk and then heating it causes problems (do a search, it came up a long while ago, in terms of where we are now), a hard boiled egg would be much better, and cold bacon is easy to accommodate as well. Like you, I'm finding waking a problem as dawn is now much later, as well as sleeping in a totally dark bedroom.

Oh yes, I seem to have conveniently forgotten about that since I enjoy scrambled eggs so much, so thanks for the reminder . I will try boiling/poaching instead.

I've now been awake for 2 hours 23 minutes and havent had my usual 1-2 cups of strong black tea. It seems that I had a bigger caffeine problem than I suspected, as I am feeling very tired and don't feel up for doing anything. I don't think cold turkey is a good idea, as I am either in work or university 7 days a week and would need a few days off to get over these withdrawal symptoms. I will instead gradually taper off my caffeine usage so that I can still function well while I'm coming off it.

 

[Eboard10]

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Oh yes, I seem to have conveniently forgotten about that since I enjoy scrambled eggs so much, so thanks for the reminder . I will try boiling/poaching instead.

I tend to fry the yolk at low-medium temperature so as to avoid breaking it. You may want to try that in case you don't have much time in the morning unless you prefer eating the egg white as well.

I've now been awake for 2 hours 23 minutes and havent had my usual 1-2 cups of strong black tea. It seems that I had a bigger caffeine problem than I suspected, as I am feeling very tired and don't feel up for doing anything. I don't think cold turkey is a good idea, as I am either in work or university 7 days a week and would need a few days off to get over these withdrawal symptoms. I will instead gradually taper off my caffeine usage so that I can still function well while I'm coming off it.

I had a similar issue so I went for green tea which has lower caffeine. This way I was able to reduce my daily caffeine intake while still drinking as much as I used to.

 

[hesperides]

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[shellycheval]

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Carlise

Oh yes, I seem to have conveniently forgotten about that since I enjoy scrambled eggs so much, so thanks for the reminder . I will try boiling/poaching instead.

When you are finished frying the bacon, remove it from the pan, lower the heat, and gently break your eggs into the hot bacon fat. Turn them once with a spatula--cook the yolk to "easy" (slightly runny) medium, or cooked hard through. Scoop them out with a large spoon to get some of the fat with it. Eat with the bacon--a most tasty way to cook eggs and get more fat.
shellycheval

 

[Psalehesost]

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I will experiment with taking a light lunch such as bacon/scrambled eggs and see if there are any changes.

If you keep it cooled, you can put plenty of extra fat in it as well - I think bacon and eggs alone would have too poor a fat-to-protein ratio.

Myself, when I have bone broth in the style I posted about, as long as it's kept reasonably cooled it stays solid and so is easy to bring and have when going to the university.

Have you ever asked for tallow from this source that you buy your marrow bones from? You can for example ask for just fat or the fat around the kidneys. Here's how that looks like: _http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/527400_261788207257236_207283578_n.jpg

It's very taste imo, but you wouldn't need to have the kidneys as that can make it expensive. Fwiw.

I have asked before - it's the same local meat shop/butcher (they raise their own grass fed cows, and buy other animals from other local farms) I've frequented for quite some time now - and then it didn't seem as if they had it. The person there then said something along the lines of pork fat being the only kind of fat cut, saved and ordered separately by customers. I found that strange, as their meat in general does not look as if all the fat's left in place.

The person there this time said she could order it (i.e. have it brought in from the main place outside town), so I'll see how it goes. A good thing I asked if they do get some, because bone broth has ran out again and they have no more bones, not getting them as soon as expected.

 

[Oxajil]

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

When you are finished frying the bacon, remove it from the pan, lower the heat, and gently break your eggs into the hot bacon fat. Turn them once with a spatula--cook the yolk to "easy" (slightly runny) medium, or cooked hard through. Scoop them out with a large spoon to get some of the fat with it. Eat with the bacon--a most tasty way to cook eggs and get more fat.
shellycheval

The fat from bacon sounds a bit on the little side to me. I drop a tablespoon of two of lard or tallow in the hot cast iron pan (low heat), break the egg in there, drop the bacon in there as well, and with the spoon I pour the hot liquid fat over the yolk repeatedly so that it hardens quickly. This way it's all done in a few minutes and I put the egg and the bacon on a plate with all the liquid fat. So basically, the food will be swimming in fat :) Not too much though, but I know now how much is just enough for me. Regarding taking it to school I agree with Psalehesost's approach; cooled food plus some cold fat on it. That's what I do too when I take lunch to work.

The person there this time said she could order it (i.e. have it brought in from the main place outside town), so I'll see how it goes. A good thing I asked if they do get some, because bone broth has ran out again and they have no more bones, not getting them as soon as expected.

Yes I think they should be able to order it. My own butcher doesn't have fresh tallow, but he can order it. So I think every butcher kind of can? Maybe they just don't have it ''in stock'' because there is little interest in them, but are able to order it? Hope it works out.

 

[Nathan]

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I've had some success adding extra fat into my breakfast by scrambling my eggs--I undercook them a little so they are still creamy, no milk added--then I pour the bacon fat into the mix and serve. Not to mention I cook with a tablespoon of lard added to each iron frypan, one for bacon and one for eggs. Each tablespoon contains 15g of fat, so this brings the fat content of breakfast up nicely to about 19g of protein and 60g of fat. This is actually the meal I look forward to most in the day.

It's a shame you can't pour the fat from cooked pork chops onto something that absorbs it, so instead I pour it into a cup and leave in the fridge for breakfast. All the fat is mine. NO ESCAPE.

I've found it extremely difficult to pin down pork that isn't finished on grains here in Melbourne, Australia. It's easy to find grass-fed and finished beef. So currently I'm eating grass-fed but grain-finished pork, bacon and pork bones for the broth, and organic free-range eggs. Occasionally I will sneak in a few pieces of xylitol dark chocolate or a small almond cake, which can bring my ketosis down mid-way on the ketostix chart. I try to go as many days as possible without any carbs except the xylitol in my black tea, especially in the early stages of mtDNA healing that we're trying to achieve.

If anyone is interested in extremely low carbohydrate desserts (for special occasions, not regular intake lol):

Almond and vanilla scones
_http://www.thehealthychef.com/2012/05/paleo-scones/
I made this before I went zero carb. They don't taste like your standard scone obviously, but they are very nice. 3g carbs per scone, so one scone is plenty for an occasional treat.

Almond pancakes
_http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/breakfast1/r/lowcarbpancakes.htm
Haven't tried these, but they are 1g carbs per 4 inch pancake. I'm ho-hum about pancakes these days, but it's good to know there's recipe out there that's reasonable.

I'm happy to report that since the first week on this diet I'm never tired during the day. I'm always at a very consistent 100% energy. Which makes it difficult when it's time to sleep! Anyway, I'll get used to it I suppose.

 

[Laura]

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Great news on your energy levels and progress on this diet, I've experienced something similar with long walks too. Just one point, scrambled eggs are other than recommended, due to the fact that breaking up the yolk and then heating it causes problems (do a search, it came up a long while ago, in terms of where we are now), a hard boiled egg would be much better, and cold bacon is easy to accommodate as well. Like you, I'm finding waking a problem as dawn is now much later, as well as sleeping in a totally dark bedroom.

I eat scrambled eggs once in awhile when I allow myself egg because I LIKE them and I figure that once in awhile won't hurt.