Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

[MK Scarlett]

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So I guess "lard" here mean fat of pork... Am I right?
I buy this "fat" to my butcher and started to make reserves of it as of fat of duck. I use it for my bone broths and to cooke "pork belly" each morning with it and eat it too. But I would be very interested by making my own "fat pork" if I could. Have you got any suggestion, or maybe this has already been mentionned here or there on the forum?

By the way, salting these kind of piece of pork offers the possibility to eat some proteines and more fat in the same time by adding it with pure "fat of pork", like "butter a sandwich of bread". ;)

What you posted in the picture is pork belly, as you've now discovered. Making cured pork, was mentioned in the link provided by Psyche. From recollection it is cured over a period of six months, certainly that is the period that is mentioned by a butcher that I've spoken to. In fact, I may commission him to produce some, in a paleo manner, and see what it's like.

In it's cured form it is quite firm, yet easily cut with a sharp knife. I tend to fry it with my breakfast sausage pattie. Delicious. :) And, if you want, you may eat it 'raw', although it's a bit 'chewie'. :)

I have understood earlier in the afternoon I had made a mistake because of barrier of languages... The Lardo di Colonnata shared by Psyche is not at all pork belly as I thought but pure fat of pork. I am sorry for the misunderstanding. By the way, as mentionned previously, I gonna try to make it myself as for "lard" and as for Lardo di Colonnata. Experiences are fun even for food. And you're right, thank you for the precision about cured pork which is something I cannot experiment by myself because I am in appartment so it is a bit complicated.

Salting is a very good and "easy" way I think for all those who are in appartment too. My butcher makes a lot of saucages and pork or pork/lamb "patés" by himself but not the cured pork form. It is for why I do not buy some from him and he is the better butcher we have here, from far with his meats coming from fields and fed grass and not in the grain and/or cages.

Thanks for sharing by the way and I would be curious to see the product in a paleo manner and also how he makes it. It could be interesting, perhaps. ;)

 

[Psalehesost]

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Two pictures from the second batch of bone broth (fresh from the refrigerator) - while there's still some left:

 

[Carl]

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Two pictures from the second batch of bone broth (fresh from the refrigerator) - while there's still some left:

Did you add fat to this before refrigerating? Mine has nowhere near as much!

It also looks totally delicious, by the way, well done :)

 

[Oxajil]

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That looks pretty neat Psalehesost, almost looks like cake! Did you add some ground meat to it? Any particular spices/herbs?

 

[truth seeker]

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Two pictures from the second batch of bone broth (fresh from the refrigerator) - while there's still some left:

Did you boil all/most the water out of it? Because it looks mainly like meat. Or maybe you add water to it when reheating?

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[Psalehesost]

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Did you add fat to this before refrigerating? Mine has nowhere near as much!

Nope - I guess I'm simply lucky with the source of these marrow bones. (properly and locally grass-fed, organic beef) And I'm glad I finally have a properly fatty food, because there's next to no other option locally available for good fat. (There's non-organic, smelly and quite awful pork fat that my body isn't fully happy with, ghee home made from standard pasteurized butter that my body isn't quite happy with, and expensive coconut oil, and thus far that's what I've found. No organic lard, no organic tallow.) If I run out, (or availability becomes limited for a while) I currently have to resort to adding olive oil to some meat.

It also looks totally delicious, by the way, well done :)

It is. As of the previous batch (which was very similar, though as was pointed out to me, wrongly salted before cooking was complete, which reduces the amount of minerals boiled out of the bones), it is my new favorite food. And very cheap, too.

That looks pretty neat Psalehesost, almost looks like cake! Did you add some ground meat to it? Any particular spices/herbs?

Nothing added except salt when cooking was done. I also cranked up the heat at the end and boiled down the water level further.

Two pictures from the second batch of bone broth (fresh from the refrigerator) - while there's still some left:

Did you boil all/most the water out of it? Because it looks mainly like meat?. Or maybe you add water to it when reheating?

Much, but not all. The less fatty part is more like thick jelly with pieces of meat in it - and it feels mostly like a rich, salty jelly when eating it. And for now I have it as it is, with no re-heating. It is compact - the third left at the bottom in the big picture will make for three complete meals, and these are possibly a bit oversized as it is.

2.5 kg of marrow bones were used to make the batch. (These stacked in the pot reaches close to the tip.) 9 meals in total - maybe more if I would have had it warmed and diluted.

 

[Oxajil]

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Nope - I guess I'm simply lucky with the source of these marrow bones. (properly and locally grass-fed, organic beef) And I'm glad I finally have a properly fatty food, because there's next to no other option locally available for good fat. (There's non-organic, smelly and quite awful pork fat that my body isn't fully happy with, ghee home made from standard pasteurized butter that my body isn't quite happy with, and expensive coconut oil, and thus far that's what I've found. No organic lard, no organic tallow.) If I run out, (or availability becomes limited for a while) I currently have to resort to adding olive oil to some meat.

I'm glad you found a good fat source through the broth! Have you ever asked for tallow from this source that you buy your marrow bones from? You can for example ask for just fat or the fat around the kidneys. Here's how that looks like: _http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/527400_261788207257236_207283578_n.jpg

It's very taste imo, but you wouldn't need to have the kidneys as that can make it expensive. Fwiw.

 

[treesparrow]

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I suffer from ankylosing spondylitis (thank god for the spell checker) with associated osteoporosis and fusion of the vertebra with restricted movement of head ,neck and torso with arthritis in other joints and although I've gained some movement in some of my knuckles, I've yet to to seen any improvement in my back since starting the KD about 18 moths ago. Perhaps with zero carbs my situation will improve. I sometimes think that the best I can hope for is that my condition stabilizes and does not further deteriorate.

Treesparrow, I hope you don't mind me asking, but do you do any mobility exercises? If not, I would highly recommend you to try some. I don't know who you have already seen for your condition, and maybe I'm repeating something that you already know, but a major factor in preventing further gradual fusion of your vertebrae (caused by ankylosing spondylitis (SA)) is to literally: move. Resistance training is important, but for your condition it needs to be controlled and always balanced with plenty of mobility. Mobility exercises are important for mostly everyone, strength without any mobility can turn into stiffness, and mobility without strength can become floppiness.
With SA, however, the scale tips to the side of becoming increasingly stiff due to the gradual fusion of the spine. This causes for your muscles to become equally stiff, the rigidity of your muscles further compromises your ability to move freely and, with that, allowing for the skeletal fusion to happen at a much greater speed. It's a true snowball effect.

You probably know this much better than me, but I'm putting it this way to better convey the reason and importance of the type of exercise I'm suggesting.

I don't know whether with that you can actually reverse some of SA, I know that it can reverse, up to a certain degree, arthritis, and it can certainly be very helpful in preventing further degeneration by SA. My guess is that you can gain a lot more freedom to move because some of the stiffness you feel with SA is muscular and, perhaps, that may start "oiling" your joints?

You may have to fight against pain though, it is about constantly finding a new pain threshold, which with more regular practice your brain can actually start equating with relief, as it anticipates the way you'll feel afterwards.

Maybe you're doing all of this already, but if not, I think it's really worth a try. As someone who has had clients with SA and other similar conditions, I have seen little miracles :)
I sure wish MUCH more could be done for the absolutely staggering amount of 'strange' conditions we are suffering from nowadays.

Hi Gertrudes, you're quite right as regards trying to maintain mobility as much as possible with conditions such as AS. From my experience lack of motivation is quite a barrier to overcome when there is little long term improvement (over 20 years). I do a fair amount of cycling and walking and this does help somewhat. I have also tried various bodily movements and other therapies as advised by both conventional and alternative medical practitioners (Alexandra technique to name one). The only thing that seems to help for me, is heat from long periods of skin exposure to the sun, this makes moving my body a little easier.

Thanks anyway for your input :)

 

[Laura]

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The only thing that seems to help for me, is heat from long periods of skin exposure to the sun, this makes moving my body a little easier.

Do you have and use a FIR sauna blanket regularly? Hot soaks in magnesium? Those are two things that have - and do - really help my mobility issues (rheumatoid arthritis) along with careful diet, of course.

 

[treesparrow]

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The only thing that seems to help for me, is heat from long periods of skin exposure to the sun, this makes moving my body a little easier.

Do you have and use a FIR sauna blanket regularly? Hot soaks in magnesium? Those are two things that have - and do - really help my mobility issues (rheumatoid arthritis) along with careful diet, of course.

I do have and used a FIR portable sit-in sauna and also have taken hot magnesium baths in the past. Both quite often tend to leave me feeling more fatigued after a session of ether. I'm not sure why sunshine seems be beneficial for me - perhaps there's not the excessive sweating that are involved in the 2 other methods.

 

[Gaby]

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I do have and used a FIR portable sit-in sauna and also have taken hot magnesium baths in the past. Both quite often tend to leave me feeling more fatigued after a session of ether. I'm not sure why sunshine seems be beneficial for me - perhaps there's not the excessive sweating that are involved in the 2 other methods.

I would definitely not give up since usually there is so much detox to go through before a threshold is passed. These therapies doesn't necessarily leave you feeling much better at the beginning. Fatigue and a need to rest might very well be indications of much needed healing going on.

 

[David]

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The only thing that seems to help for me, is heat from long periods of skin exposure to the sun, this makes moving my body a little easier.

Do you have and use a FIR sauna blanket regularly? Hot soaks in magnesium? Those are two things that have - and do - really help my mobility issues (rheumatoid arthritis) along with careful diet, of course.

I do have and used a FIR portable sit-in sauna and also have taken hot magnesium baths in the past. Both quite often tend to leave me feeling more fatigued after a session of ether. I'm not sure why sunshine seems be beneficial for me - perhaps there's not the excessive sweating that are involved in the 2 other methods.

If the bath water is too hot, it may be part of the cause for feeling exhausted afterwards, well that’s my experience, maybe next time, try a bath that’s not so hot or just before bed, helps with sleep.

There’s an article in the telegraph that might, be worth considering, at any rate, not sure how sound it is.

Can a very hot bath be harmful?

"When immersed in 39°C water, your heart rate will increase by 12 per cent, which can cause problems if you have a heart condition," says Mike Maynard, chairman of the Hydrotherapy Association of Chartered Physiotherapists.
"It will also bring all the blood to the surface of the skin, making it red. Taking the blood away from the joints and muscles is temporarily relaxing, but not healing if you have muscular problems."

Are there any advantages of bathing in cold water?
A short, sharp, cool shower straight after a warm shower or bath can be invigorating and increase internal activity.

Good for blood circulation if nothing else, your pain threshold might be high, so how are you testing the water, just a hunch, your ‘hot’ might be a little to close to cooking temperature, but not enough to burn or blister, fine if stung by some stingy fish, but that’s about all.

Well most important remember to switch off and relax when having a bath, leave the tap drip, close the eyes and your in a healing cave. LOL.. it works some of the time, its not exactly a magical cure but helps, along the way.

FWIW

Note: Personally some of my ailments from time to time seem to be inflamed by my own thinking, although some things are not, although with the diet thing, difficult to distinguish if the diet caused both problems, a chicken and egg thing, perhaps and my diet is a disaster, go figure.

Quote from Alana in the future

Well, I hope you are reading up on the diet threads (this one in particular, and Life Without Bread) because a "disaster diet" only leads to disordered body and mind. It will be a shame to have to suffer when you can learn from and apply all this great info in your life.

Yes it would, it’s also why I think my diet is a disaster, will get there. Thanks

 

[Alana]

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Note: Personally some of my ailments from time to time seem to be inflamed by my own thinking, although some things are not, although with the diet thing, difficult to distinguish if the diet caused both problems, a chicken and egg thing, perhaps and my diet is a disaster, go figure.

Well, I hope you are reading up on the diet threads (this one in particular, and Life Without Bread) because a "disaster diet" only leads to disordered body and mind. It will be a shame to have to suffer when you can learn from and apply all this great info in your life.

Regarding very hot baths, I was never feeling well taking them, I feel dizzy and and as if my blood pressure dropped afterwards. Warm baths with salts are really nice, with no side effects. I haven't done cold baths yet, but do take cold showers and they are very energetic and refreshing.

 

[Eboard10]

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After thorough research, I finally found a local butcher who seems to have some really good meat (will ask him if it's grass-fed). I was wondering though, for making bone broth, if anyone knows which bones have the most marrow or are generally thickest? Hopefully they would have it.

 

[Carl]

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My energy levels have more or less stabalised now, which is good. I am cutting out the black and green tea from now on as they cause fluctuations in my mood, and can lead to anxiety when I over indulge.

Physical strength in terms of weight lifting has not really improved beyond a few extra reps, but I am not so worried about it as I was already at a fair level of strength and I am not getting any weaker. I went rock climbing with a few friends yesterday, and despite pushing myself very hard and enjoying it thoroughly for ~3 hours, my arm/back muscles do not feel sore today. I seem to recover very fast on this diet :) .

Walking long distances no longer gives me fatigue, and I haven't had that foggy, jelly-like feeling in quite a while. The only times I feel drained are after a long day in Uni or a shift in work, where I feel distant and drained, without much energy. I usually don't eat throughout the day apart from some bone broth, and this may be contributing to it, as I feel much better as soon as I get back home and have my 2nd meal. I will experiment with taking a light lunch such as bacon/scrambled eggs and see if there are any changes.

Focus in lectures and studies has improved greatly, despite studying a subject that doesn't particularly interest me anymore. I can make myself concentrate for a whole 2 hour lecture, and it just seems to 'slot in' to my mind much more easily. I remember last semester I would sit there daydreaming, briefly forcing myself to focus before losing track again and just getting bored. Things seem to have changed a lot, though it's not always obvious until I compare it to how I used to feel.

Sleep is also becoming longer, probably due to heading into winter. Gone are the 6 hour ultra-refreshing sleeps, unfortunately. I usually crash out from tiredness at around 11, and get woken up by my alarm clock at 7am. It's still dark outside, usually raining, and I am pretty slow to start in the mornings now, forcing myself out of bed. Still, I no longer get any depression about it like I used to, it's more like 'okay let's just get up and get on with it, no whining'.