Knowledge and Being: Differential Diagnosis in Spirit Release Part 4 Viewers Q&A

[Tomek]

Fascinating video, thank you. I have some questions regarding thought loops and dissociated parts of personality. Having read The Myth of Sanity, I have an idea of how a split part of personality might announce itself when running a differential diagnosis, and how to reintegrate this part (ie : let a professional take care of it). How about less severe cases of dissociation ? Martha Stout mentions a whole range of possibilities : : from the mild dissociation to the full bore split personality, the "switchers", etc... It is possible to deal with the whole spectrum of dissociations (minus, maybe, the split personality) with a spirit board ? In the four parts of the video, you mentionned how to send spirits "into the light", how to "zap" elemental energies, and the next video will deal with demonic possession, and you said that we don't want to "zap" dissociated parts of the self. Would it be possible to reintegrate these parts with a spirit board ? I'm just curious. Obviously, before getting there, EE and dietary changes is the way to go for cleaning the machine, including the mind. It's just that, even being gluten-free for a while (the last time I fall into a gluten trap was 4 months ago) and daily pipe breathing, I still feel plagued with thought loops, most notably the "jukebox program" or "earworms" : it's like a part of my brain is always playing a song, any song, and it can be very draining, some days. And I would REALLY like to get rid of it.

 

[Laura]

I think that the next video is going to concentrate on what you CAN do safely, how knowledge protects, other ways of dealing with possible attachments, etc.

As ya'll can see, it is a complex topic and requires a great deal of knowledge to properly address. This knowledge comes by reading, reading, reading... cases, cases and more cases. You have to build a huge database of information from the work of other people who have gone before you in order to have at your neuron-tips the right information to deal with contingencies. I can tell you this, if you go in with the usual "love and light, god is in his heaven" type attitude and you uncover one of the real nasties, it can be such a shock to your psyche that it may take months or years to recover. I think that it actually "wounds" one in some way. Martin talks about this in the summation of his book, "Hostage to the Devil", and it is true. Probably the best attitude to have is one of constant alertness and awareness (via knowledge) and to know that there is always a wolf out there circling around in the darkness looking for a weakness. The worst ones, however, can "appear as an angel of light".

 

[Nancy2feathers]

This topic of praying to spirit guides has really opened up a different way of seeing things. I need some help on this one.

So during the day say, I might think about my daughter coming home very late on a train from NYC to upstate NY, where she then gets into her car and drives home. When the thought of her comes into my mind, I say a prayer or think in my mind...protection for my daughter C. I don`t know who I`m praying to! I`d like to think that I`m some how creating positive energy going out to my daughter. I am so confused now. By doing that, am I manipulating the course of how things should be? Can a negative spirit attachment take that thought and run with it ,so to speak? Or am I getting carried away here?

 

[Thomas Alan]

I think that the next video is going to concentrate on what you CAN do safely, how knowledge protects, other ways of dealing with possible attachments, etc.

As ya'll can see, it is a complex topic and requires a great deal of knowledge to properly address. This knowledge comes by reading, reading, reading... cases, cases and more cases. You have to build a huge database of information from the work of other people who have gone before you in order to have at your neuron-tips the right information to deal with contingencies. I can tell you this, if you go in with the usual "love and light, god is in his heaven" type attitude and you uncover one of the real nasties, it can be such a shock to your psyche that it may take months or years to recover. I think that it actually "wounds" one in some way. Martin talks about this in the summation of his book, "Hostage to the Devil", and it is true. Probably the best attitude to have is one of constant alertness and awareness (via knowledge) and to know that there is always a wolf out there circling around in the darkness looking for a weakness. The worst ones, however, can "appear as an angel of light".

That would be great, Laura. A video on other ways of dealing with attachments. I must say the situation was seeming to be a bit hopeless to me. I don't have any practitioners in this area I can go to for help with this and no one who is suitable to work with on a board.

And the thought that we almost never get help from higher entities and if we think we do we are inviting another attachment is discouraging, at least to me.

I guess it really doesn't matter whether thoughts come from attached spirit entities, dissociated parts of my own personality or old thought loops. Thoughts and behaviors need to challenged and analyzed regardless. Is this thought or behavior valuable to others I value and to myself? If it is not why do I allow it?

Thanks for teaching us about this topic. Knowledge Protects indeed.

Mac

 

[Laura]

Nancy, I'll deal with that topic also in the next video. Ya'll get a few questions together and that will give me a platform.

 

[Zadius Sky]

I am just wondering about something relating to "accuracy and precision with words is extremely important when doing hypnosis or communicating with entities" as you mentioned earlier in this thread.

I'm thinking here about people with mental disability or physical disability that directly affects their communication skills, psychological development, and their being involved with the spirit board. The question is, should they be involved in such activity? If they had trouble communicating with living people, would that affect their communication with entities or dead dudes?

Just wanted to throw that out there.

 

[Jasmine]

And the way I am, I would not select just anybody. It would take me many months if not longer to assess somebodies knowledge, awareness, and ability as a potential safe quality candidate for that endeavor. I felt that I could draw this person into my life by meditation and asking my guides. I'm now under the impression it would be even more helpful to have more than just one other person, which extends my original concerns.

How else could that be represented? And it's a little more than troubling if you want to get involved in experimenting with a spirit board when you are meditating to guides of some sort who may very likely be attachments,

Why does it need to be represented any other way? I don't believe everything "out there" is malevolent. And I believe that people have guides that will help them when called upon, and sometimes may even help or intervene in a crises situation when not called on.

to draw people into your life for the purpose using the board. However way you want to justify your motivations by saying you want to enhance natural connections to the "right" people still is worrying because if you are 'listening' to these guides, you might already by 'hypnotized' by the messages or whatever that's coming your way.

You're correct in that the motivation is to "draw people into my life" for that purpose. However, saying "enhance natural connections to the "right" people", was to put it into proper context for you because of your suspicion of the original phrase.

The motivation I hope was made clear in the full paragraph of my original post. To further expound on your concern of motivation: If I have the intent to start experimenting with the spirit board, it's not something I would want to do alone. I would therefore start taking steps to meet people who're experienced. As a cautionary measure to help me select the "right" people, I would put out the intent to the universe and my guides for help in connecting to the "right" people.

When we express our intent out to the universe, it will materialize eventually. If you keep the intent held in your mind, eventually you will end up doing things in your physical life that will bring you into direct or indirect contact with your desires or intent.

I don't "listen" to guides. I just have the belief that they are there, and when called upon for added guidance or safety, they help if necessary. The outcome is not in a form of message, and does not come in verbal form, it may manifest in various ways in my personal life or in my environment. It's not a whole lot different than sending out intent to the universe. If you asked me what the difference is, I would say that I view "guides" as more of a personal resource for guidance and safety. Whereas sending out intent to the universe is something we basically do anyway in our daily thoughts. But to do it intently, would be to bring emphasis onto a specific desire or goal.

I hope I resolved any concerns about being hypnotized by guides.

This is so, so, SO true! If I've seen it once, I've seen it a hundred times! How many people ask "for my guides" or "my highest good" and naively believe that there are good fairies out there just waiting to be asked to help them out. Guess again! Fact is, if there wasn't some detrimental issue the entity that is likely to respond to this kind of request wouldn't be there. But respond they do! In droves. Possibly the second most common way to get attached.

So you may already in the mindset of being set up to receive attachments by your belief systems. And the spirit board may only compound this issue for you.

I hope my belief systems are not setting me up for attachments. But you have a great point, placing the emphasis on compounding the problem, specially if one mistakingly perceives guides as helpful when in fact they're malevolent.

Usually the entity is not concerned with your greater good. So things I'm interested in doing for my greater good, things like - diet, exercise, spiritual hygiene, education, etc... are paramount for me. But along the way, you'll feel a "nagging" or re-occurring pattern that is in opposition to your higher good and goals.

Okay, how do you know experimenting with a spirit board is for your greater good? When the idea cropped up how quickly did you jump on-board to want to do it and have you left yourself space to change your mind at some point?

I felt that the spirit board would be a natural extension to my current knowledge and awareness. Used properly it would extend my knowledge and awareness which is in alignment with my greater good. Like everything in life, we try something & hope it turns out well, but there's never a guarantee. The safety-net of this network, has proved to be extremely valuable and perhaps saved me from learning a nasty lesson the hard way. If the spirit board is a natural extension to my current knowledge & awareness, it's most definitely not in my immediate future.

For over a year that I've been studying Lauras work, the idea of using a spirit board myself never crossed my mind. When I saw the video, it occurred to me that perhaps using the spirit board would be a natural extension to my current knowledge and awareness. I would say I jumped-on-board rather quickly. And I hope I answered your final question with the above answer.

I'm careful about "the advice and words of others" everybody has their own issues. Nine times out of ten, other people really don't have your best interest at heart. That's kind of hard to find outside of close family ties. Or trustworthy support system. It can be had, this forum might be a good example of a good place to get healthy advice and support.

As well you should be! But this is an open network forum where lot's of people can see what's being written and can offer insights and feedback that normally wouldn't be available. For example, if what I'm writing is through a subjective lens of perception and detrimental than someone else will chime in and point it out or provide an alternative perspective that is more objective. It's part and parcel the beauty of being part of a network and the fact that a big area of focus here is on Self-Work, where we deal with our childhood and cultural programming, slowly rid ourselves of sacred-held beliefs and reduce emotional thinking.

Added: I don't mean to be harsh or anything, Jasmine. It's just that spirit board work is ripe with pitfalls, and if you aren't careful things can go downhill.

I didn't feel that you were harsh at all. Not at all. To the contrary, you had great questions and input, I always appreciate the feedback, thanks.

 

[Stoneboss]

Thanks for these videos. Intriguing topic indeed.

I haven't found a practitioner in my area and I don't have anyone that would be suitable to partner with on a board. But greater awareness of possible spiritual attachments and past life influences will be helpful as I continue the Work. Diet, EE, tobacco hopefully will make me a less inviting host. Questioning my thoughts and behavior. Is this really my own?

It's clear that before even beginning SRT much study is needed. And attitudes of skepticism and discernment are crucial. Thanks for the knowledge and the cautions.

Mac

I feel the same way. There is no one that I know that would be a suitable partner to use a board (I'm not ready for it anyway) and from what I can tell there are no "qualified" therapists that could help me with spirit release, in my area. I''m perfectly okay with that. I may still have attachments, but I think I at least have fewer of them than I may of had a while back, due to working on myself, cleaning my machine through reading, EE, and diet.

Although I have no desire to use a spirit board at this time, I'm still thinking of purchasing one (or building my own), and putting it away. I am thinking that a spirit board might be a useful tool for communication in the future, possibly the near future. From what I understand, when Laura communicates with the C's using a board, she is communicating with her higher self. If the C's are a unified group soul (hope I got this right), then those that are becoming "like minded" with Laura are also a part of this group soul. If and when (probably when) the time comes that we would lose all communication with each other (power grid going down, everything is in havoc etc...) then maybe the board could be used to communicate among ourselves. When we've reached a high enough level spiritually to use a board, we could also communicate with our higher selves, which would include all those part of this group soul. Sort of like telepathy, which I understand will be the way of communicating in 4D. Does this make any sense?

 

[Aliana]

I think that the next video is going to concentrate on what you CAN do safely, how knowledge protects, other ways of dealing with possible attachments, etc.

Thank you, Laura. I don't think I am in any way prepared to use a board, and it also looks to be quite challenging to find an SRT practitioner that is reliable. So, it really sounds like hard work with reading, proper diet and continual work on the self is the safest route to go.

One question that came to mind after listening to the SOTT radio broadcast with Nora Gedguadas was Neurofeedback. If I understood correctly, it seems this might be able to make changes in our brain that could have a positive impact on our frequency, thus making us unpalatable to certain attachments. I am interested in learning more about this possibility.

This topic of praying to spirit guides has really opened up a different way of seeing things. I need some help on this one.

So during the day say, I might think about my daughter coming home very late on a train from NYC to upstate NY, where she then gets into her car and drives home. When the thought of her comes into my mind, I say a prayer or think in my mind...protection for my daughter C. I don`t know who I`m praying to! I`d like to think that I`m some how creating positive energy going out to my daughter. I am so confused now. By doing that, am I manipulating the course of how things should be? Can a negative spirit attachment take that thought and run with it ,so to speak? Or am I getting carried away here?

Great question - I think about that often. Sometimes I say prayers for people and try to keep my requests "open", so that I am asking for a positive outcome for this person, while acknowledging that I personally don't know what that is. It's really tricky - and am not really sure how best to go about that. Because often while I am asking for the best for them, in my heart of hearts, I do have something I would prefer. As as example, if someone close to you is very ill, and of course you want that person to get better and everything to be OK. However, it may be that this person has experienced what they need on this plane and it's time to move on. It's hard to say an open prayer when you know deep inside you really do have an agenda. Sorry if this has strayed too far off topic!!

 

[Tomek]

Although I have no desire to use a spirit board at this time, I'm still thinking of purchasing one (or building my own), and putting it away. I am thinking that a spirit board might be a useful tool for communication in the future, possibly the near future. From what I understand, when Laura communicates with the C's using a board, she is communicating with her higher self. If the C's are a unified group soul (hope I got this right), then those that are becoming "like minded" with Laura are also a part of this group soul. If and when (probably when) the time comes that we would lose all communication with each other (power grid going down, everything is in havoc etc...) then maybe the board could be used to communicate among ourselves. When we've reached a high enough level spiritually to use a board, we could also communicate with our higher selves, which would include all those part of this group soul. Sort of like telepathy, which I understand will be the way of communicating in 4D. Does this make any sense?

Well, yes. I mean, Paul always said that we shouldn't think of the catastrophes to come strictly in terms of 3D. As a multidimensionnal communication tool, a spirit board might be another handy thing to have in case of TEOTWAWKI*, among other things we're doing here, like EE, diet, and in a more general way, growing in knowledge and awareness. I've read some survivalism stuff this past months and, well, it was kinda depressing to realize that chances of surviving a major event while living in a urban area are pretty slim unless you're "prepared", unless you have a group, weapons... etc. And that's 3D thinking. So, I'd rather being able to use a spirit board safely than buying a gun a waiting for the big one. But I might do both. But that's slightly off-topic :p.

* The end of the world as we know it

 

[Arwenn]

I think that the next video is going to concentrate on what you CAN do safely, how knowledge protects, other ways of dealing with possible attachments, etc.

As ya'll can see, it is a complex topic and requires a great deal of knowledge to properly address. This knowledge comes by reading, reading, reading... cases, cases and more cases. You have to build a huge database of information from the work of other people who have gone before you in order to have at your neuron-tips the right information to deal with contingencies. I can tell you this, if you go in with the usual "love and light, god is in his heaven" type attitude and you uncover one of the real nasties, it can be such a shock to your psyche that it may take months or years to recover. I think that it actually "wounds" one in some way. Martin talks about this in the summation of his book, "Hostage to the Devil", and it is true. Probably the best attitude to have is one of constant alertness and awareness (via knowledge) and to know that there is always a wolf out there circling around in the darkness looking for a weakness. The worst ones, however, can "appear as an angel of light".

That would be great, Laura. A video on other ways of dealing with attachments. I must say the situation was seeming to be a bit hopeless to me. I don't have any practitioners in this area I can go to for help with this and no one who is suitable to work with on a board.

And the thought that we almost never get help from higher entities and if we think we do we are inviting another attachment is discouraging, at least to me.

I guess it really doesn't matter whether thoughts come from attached spirit entities, dissociated parts of my own personality or old thought loops. Thoughts and behaviors need to challenged and analyzed regardless. Is this thought or behavior valuable to others I value and to myself? If it is not why do I allow it?

Thanks for teaching us about this topic. Knowledge Protects indeed.

Mac

I second what Mac says above. Laura, your videos were very well presented indeed, and they have thoroughly convinced that I am most definitely NOT ready to deal with spirits and entities via board work. There is no option for an SRT practitioner where I live, and no one I could work with as a medium for the indirect method.

This topic of praying to spirit guides has really opened up a different way of seeing things. I need some help on this one.

So during the day say, I might think about my daughter coming home very late on a train from NYC to upstate NY, where she then gets into her car and drives home. When the thought of her comes into my mind, I say a prayer or think in my mind...protection for my daughter C. I don`t know who I`m praying to! I`d like to think that I`m some how creating positive energy going out to my daughter. I am so confused now. By doing that, am I manipulating the course of how things should be? Can a negative spirit attachment take that thought and run with it ,so to speak? Or am I getting carried away here?

Same here. :/

 

[happyliza]

Some questions for the next video:

1) Laura, I am sure during the many cases that you handled via the board or hypnotherapy/SRT that you have come across totally obstinate, persistent and boorish entities that flatly refuse to leave, even maybe just because they enjoy being so perverse of contrary.
What did you do under the circumstances?

2) With SRT in what circumstances with the patient would you actually ‘lead’ if any, (where it wouldn’t cause abreactions)?

3) I know it is vital to be in ‘control’ and assertively vigilant during a session. However, a particularly ‘blind’ or irate entity can cause a real disturbance and hurl things across the room etc. (A few years ago I was with my mother in the kitchen and an apple was hurled across the room from the fruit bowl. We were NOT ‘doing’ anything at the time. Suspected familial spirit from a recently departed family member was most likely the cause)

If they do not desist when told to do so, with some reasoning if necessary, then what would you recommend? Would it be safest just to close the session? Extreme but the entity is still left with the patient.

4) If an errant entity refuses to budge, apart from ensuring the patient leads an impeccable lifestyle, could it be shifted at a later date? Or would the patient have to ‘live with it’ (as people blindly do anyway), become aware of/make allowances consciously to counteract its mental/health issues as best they can?

OR as the patient has seriously worked on themselves and genuinely requested to be free of said entity, would an intelligent ‘helper’ or relative be able to intervene in such a stubborn case and remove the entity during a session?

5) How would you really know an entity has gone when they say they are going
other than the patient saying they don’t see/feel the xxx in the xxxx area it was before? Assuming there are also no attachments left to ask/verify with.

6) On keeping on track and maintaining the intention of removing/helping spirits return to 5D, is it still external consideration when you refuse to be side-tracked with ‘off-topic’ questions from the entity, once you have obtained all the info you need to work with? Does anything helpful to either party come of this ‘dialogue’? Is not the entity then taking back control of the situation over you?

7) With SRT/Hypnotherapy you don’t have to disclose things to a patient that you feel may not be in their best interest. However, a patient IS aware of the Q & A’s during a board session. Although someone is fully briefed and aware of the procedure and intended outcome, it could still leave people in a state of shock.

Apart from trying to explain, an unexpected occurence that happened, or disturbing information they received, to them, how would you help them recover from the ‘trauma’? (Even though they chose to do this with a totally open and rational mind, yet still they didn’t truly understand or were mentally prepared after the fact).

For this reason I think it is also important that just as a patient has to thoroughly assess their practitioner, the practitioner/board user also has to thoroughly assess their patients/sitters. However some ‘cases’ can still get through despite this.

 

[Tomek]

Some questions for the next video:

1) Laura, I am sure during the many cases that you handled via the board or hypnotherapy/SRT that you have come across totally obstinate, persistent and boorish entities that flatly refuse to leave, even maybe just because they enjoy being so perverse of contrary.
What did you do under the circumstances?

Laura already answered this question in part 4 : you have to gain knowledge and awareness, you have to be more clever that the attached entity. You might want to take a look at this thread http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,29894.0.html
If the attachement is of demonic nature, that's a whole other problem and the planned part 5 will talk about it.

 

[zim]

I think that the next video is going to concentrate on what you CAN do safely, how knowledge protects, other ways of dealing with possible attachments, etc.

As ya'll can see, it is a complex topic and requires a great deal of knowledge to properly address. This knowledge comes by reading, reading, reading... cases, cases and more cases. You have to build a huge database of information from the work of other people who have gone before you in order to have at your neuron-tips the right information to deal with contingencies. I can tell you this, if you go in with the usual "love and light, god is in his heaven" type attitude and you uncover one of the real nasties, it can be such a shock to your psyche that it may take months or years to recover. I think that it actually "wounds" one in some way. Martin talks about this in the summation of his book, "Hostage to the Devil", and it is true. Probably the best attitude to have is one of constant alertness and awareness (via knowledge) and to know that there is always a wolf out there circling around in the darkness looking for a weakness. The worst ones, however, can "appear as an angel of light".

This remembered my experience when I was just a child (10-11) seeing my mother acting very weird and finally the "priest" said she had demons in her, some christians came to to do an exorcism on her so I participated, I was the only young person that participated, after 1 year or so she finally back to "normal", it really impacted me at that time , I had dreams fighting with demons or ghost until I was 28, now that these theme of SRT came back more in the forum I began to have stranger dreams.
The funny thing is after read about this things and remembered me at that time that I felt such a will inside me "wanting that "thing" gone fm my mother"....... it is huge to deal with something like that so the word carefully is a good advice here as the C´s and Laura said, I really thank Laura for all her advice about this matter is never enough to be carefully

 

[Leòmhann]

I think that the next video is going to concentrate on what you CAN do safely, how knowledge protects, other ways of dealing with possible attachments, etc.

Thank you, Laura. I don't think I am in any way prepared to use a board, and it also looks to be quite challenging to find an SRT practitioner that is reliable. So, it really sounds like hard work with reading, proper diet and continual work on the self is the safest route to go.

One question that came to mind after listening to the SOTT radio broadcast with Nora Gedguadas was Neurofeedback. If I understood correctly, it seems this might be able to make changes in our brain that could have a positive impact on our frequency, thus making us unpalatable to certain attachments. I am interested in learning more about this possibility.

Yes, aleana, this thought occurred to me recently, also. Could it be that Neurofeedback, applied in tandem with other healthful practices, like good diet, adequate rest, reading and doing the Work, all in alignment with the aim of getting our machines cleaner and cleaner, may lend itself to our progress such that it offers a catalytic or accelerating effect? Therefore, as an added tool, could it possibly speed up the process of knowing ourselves and therefore assist us in increasing our RAM capacity (as per the Cs) for holding objective knowledge that can be called up and acted upon in an instant (knowledge access and utilization)?

As Laura's enthusiasm increased during the segment of the show in which Nora was explaining this, my attention was raised, the above question arrived, and I've been wondering about it since then.

This topic of praying to spirit guides has really opened up a different way of seeing things. I need some help on this one.

So during the day say, I might think about my daughter coming home very late on a train from NYC to upstate NY, where she then gets into her car and drives home. When the thought of her comes into my mind, I say a prayer or think in my mind...protection for my daughter C. I don`t know who I`m praying to! I`d like to think that I`m some how creating positive energy going out to my daughter. I am so confused now. By doing that, am I manipulating the course of how things should be? Can a negative spirit attachment take that thought and run with it ,so to speak? Or am I getting carried away here?

Great question - I think about that often. Sometimes I say prayers for people and try to keep my requests "open", so that I am asking for a positive outcome for this person, while acknowledging that I personally don't know what that is. It's really tricky - and am not really sure how best to go about that. Because often while I am asking for the best for them, in my heart of hearts, I do have something I would prefer. As as example, if someone close to you is very ill, and of course you want that person to get better and everything to be OK. However, it may be that this person has experienced what they need on this plane and it's time to move on. It's hard to say an open prayer when you know deep inside you really do have an agenda. Sorry if this has strayed too far off topic!!

This is, indeed, an excellent question!! Although I've been consistently skeptical about the stories I've read and heard about entities described as beneficent spirit guides, I've wondered, on occasion, if they exist, are they present because they more accurately fall into the category of spirit attachments? And, therefore, if they are attachments, their "guidance" may direct us in ways that are not so good for us and others, especially if these energies have consciousness that includes intention. If intention exists, the knowledge base from which it works, may be "dirty" and lean towards delusion. Advice and guidance from a deluded entity is, of course, not so good, and intended misdirection, manipulation, and abuse are often even worse.