Les Visible and Smoking Mirrors
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luke wilson
The Living Force
Laura said:
Are you being serious or trying to bring my attention onto something I should work on, like not talk about people like I know them?
Uhmm, my post was written from the impression I got from the excerpt you posted and because I suppose, I kind of know some people who like to play such games or atleast I think they play similar games - your comment is making me question myself. I figured they might all be cut from the same cloth. I might be mistaken! GULP :D
luke wilson said:
Well, you see, going back over your posting history, it seems that you have problems now and then correctly reading people or situations. But you are so sure you are reading this one right. So, maybe you are? If so, is it because you know about this type of person because you are one of them, or maybe this is the type of person you have spent a lot of time around, in which case your other failures to "see the unseen" might be explainable. In any event, even THIS situation is incorrectly read by you. What is being posted here isn't for Les Visible, it is for other readers who can learn from it.
But you don't let any of your past failures stop you from being so sure of yourself every single time.
Think about it.
luke wilson
The Living Force
Laura said:
I am responding because I dont want to miss a learning opportunity.
So was I seeing the unseen - make my day, make my LIFE and tell me the truth which I hope is YES? Is that it? Because if it is, I have finally pinpointed a single 'gem' in my machine that hopefully I can keep in mind. Don't take any other post from my history into consideration, just that single post!!! I can handle a no.
That post was made on the basis, of a certain feeling, maybe impression, maybe wave, that I rod along. I am well... ok, fairly to mildly well acquanted with it as every now and again it pops up in whatever situation and I ride on it to the other side. However, this happens rarely and for dangerously short space of time. How can I describe it, a sense of knowing but in a different way, a sense of feeling or reading something from 2 different places at once, I take it is somehow connected to empathy, that feeling of knowing how someone else is feeling and how you feel at the same time thus being able to bridge the two. Anyways, it just happens at random and disappears almost as quick as it appears... I would say, the situation calls it forth but I dont know what criteria it uses to decide what situation is worthy and what isnt. I am still but a mechanical toy...
Anyways that is that... My other posts are just plain old me, for the most part.
I am still certain of myself, in this situation, despite this
Laura said:
in anticipation or rather, doubt/worry at the time of posting, to bridge two gaps, I wrote
I really want to know what I connected to, something objective or just another subjective illusion. It felt real to me, but then again, subjectivity feels real for the most otherwise the world would be different.
WhiteBear
Jedi Master
luke wilson said:
Luke, this sounds very familiar to me. It describes almost to a T what I used to do when I was in my "prime" of Wicca. I would "know without knowing how", which was very frustrating to me as it was spontaneous and usually had very little use, other than as a parlor trick to inflate my ego. Whether it was me tapping into some collective unconscious, or spirit attachments whispering in my mind, or whatever, I eventually "reasoned" it to be "inductive" rather than "deductive" reasoning. I don't accept "just knowing" anymore, since joining this forum. Knowledge without facts is just an illusion, and for me to try to "see the unseen" without the deductive, logical reasoning behind it is 10 steps backward to where I used to be.
I did not know anything about Les Visible or that he wrote blogs until coming upon this thread. I recently went to his sites and read for a bit. At his origami site, he wrote a piece telling about his run-ins with the law in Hawaii and later in Virginia (while living in Washington DC). Both were drug charges. While he admits they “had him”, he somehow managed to get out of a very stiff prison sentence in Hawaii. The how and why of this is obscure. He basically said he had a “good mob lawyer”. He stated that he was either “in or on the run” for 6 years after the trouble in VA. BUT, he eventually got a government pardon! Wonder what you have to do to get one of those? Is that granted to common folk? I always had the impression you’d have to be quite well connected to get one or give something in return?
For somone who has already had a couple of close calls with the law, he makes no secret about his drug use and seems to portrait that he is somehow “above the law” in this regard. I find this very odd. And to be casually blurting all this out over the world wide web, without discretion, makes you wonder. Just who is Les Visible?
His candid writing does seem to draw a number of people. It makes him seem familiar, like an old pair of slippers that you really should throw out, but they’re real comfy. He strikes me as someone who shoots from the hip, often without forethought. Some of his writings are excellent, while others are just mindless ramblings. His brain chemistry seems to run the show, lacking in “high road” action and external consideration.
As for me, I’ve learned when the slipper is beyond repair, I toss it out!
For somone who has already had a couple of close calls with the law, he makes no secret about his drug use and seems to portrait that he is somehow “above the law” in this regard. I find this very odd. And to be casually blurting all this out over the world wide web, without discretion, makes you wonder. Just who is Les Visible?
His candid writing does seem to draw a number of people. It makes him seem familiar, like an old pair of slippers that you really should throw out, but they’re real comfy. He strikes me as someone who shoots from the hip, often without forethought. Some of his writings are excellent, while others are just mindless ramblings. His brain chemistry seems to run the show, lacking in “high road” action and external consideration.
As for me, I’ve learned when the slipper is beyond repair, I toss it out!
This whole situation with Les is reminiscent of many other similar situations. As has been mentioned, Charlie Sheen, as well as, John Kaminski, the whole background to the Laurel Canyon scene and the Hippie generation, etc. That post on his blog, "Everybody Hurts, Nobody Wins" is SO bizarre and incoherent, it hurts my mind reading it. I too remember "back in the day" when Les Visible was one of the best essayists on the web. His writing WAS excellent and inspirational.
He kept hammering away at 9/11 being an inside job and exposing Zionist agendas and machinations combined with a "non-denominational," free-wheeling spirituality and spiritual principles, and very well written with humor and lots of research and many, many links in his blog posts. All of this and more were why I liked his writing so much. It seemed very collinear with SOTT, just written in a bit of a different style which was also welcome from the point of view of creative diversity.
Funny that just as Les was REALLY hitting his stride (around the first half of 2008 or so), Kaminski was in the process of losing it and "going off the deep end." We know with John Kaminski, a certain person was inserted into his life and she facilitated the downward spiral for John. What about Les, what happened to him? It's difficult, if not impossible, to say without more data. How far back does all this go in the case of Les? Again, I don't know. But we saw the, at first, gradual and now accelerating deterioration. He sure seems to have some VERY interesting episodes and circumstances in his background which, by the way, seem to be perfect opportunities for mind control techniques while feeding his weaknesses to get him onto the self-destruct train. That all depends on just how accurate all of that is, as well.
Sure, his drug abuse is a big part of it, but the methods and amount of time the powers that pull the strings in these situations use are many and varied. I also don't know whether John Kaminski's behavior would be as vile as what Les Visible has been engaging in lately. In any case, we are witnessing another valuable voice with so much potential being taken out, yet again. As we know, there is a covert war raging and these are some of the types of battles waged. It is all par for the course.
It's sad, as always, to see these things play out and see another "warrior for truth" fall on the battle field (if Les ever WAS that in any real sense, which I tend to think he was, but I guess anything can be faked to a certain degree for a while) . But it doesn't get to me in as intense a way as it used to. I know that it's almost inevitable that these type of things will continue to happen without the awareness, efforts, and precautions taken to keep from being taken out of the game and made ineffective for all practical intents and purposes.
It didn't HAVE to be this way with Les, as with others, if he was willing to network with a sincere group such as this who would watch his back and warn him of the dangers of the way he's headed. But he didn't want to hear any of it and didn't take the warnings seriously. So the current situation and outcome was virtually inevitable.
One other thing all of this reminded me of was how Gurdjieff used to use alcohol at his large dinners to bring out and show a side of people that they normally would be able to hide. For a certain duration of time, there is always the opportunity to be sincere with oneself (and those trying to point these things out) and working on healing and changing these sides of oneself. IF there's anything else in there to grow and develop at the expense of losing the previously better hidden sides.
ADDED: I just saw your post, Lilou. I agree with the curious questions you have raised about Les. But I just want to make the point that Les and others could have been targeted (long ago) BECAUSE they had so much potential. Again, it's difficult to say, if not impossible. What we know for certain is only where he ended up.
He kept hammering away at 9/11 being an inside job and exposing Zionist agendas and machinations combined with a "non-denominational," free-wheeling spirituality and spiritual principles, and very well written with humor and lots of research and many, many links in his blog posts. All of this and more were why I liked his writing so much. It seemed very collinear with SOTT, just written in a bit of a different style which was also welcome from the point of view of creative diversity.
Funny that just as Les was REALLY hitting his stride (around the first half of 2008 or so), Kaminski was in the process of losing it and "going off the deep end." We know with John Kaminski, a certain person was inserted into his life and she facilitated the downward spiral for John. What about Les, what happened to him? It's difficult, if not impossible, to say without more data. How far back does all this go in the case of Les? Again, I don't know. But we saw the, at first, gradual and now accelerating deterioration. He sure seems to have some VERY interesting episodes and circumstances in his background which, by the way, seem to be perfect opportunities for mind control techniques while feeding his weaknesses to get him onto the self-destruct train. That all depends on just how accurate all of that is, as well.
Sure, his drug abuse is a big part of it, but the methods and amount of time the powers that pull the strings in these situations use are many and varied. I also don't know whether John Kaminski's behavior would be as vile as what Les Visible has been engaging in lately. In any case, we are witnessing another valuable voice with so much potential being taken out, yet again. As we know, there is a covert war raging and these are some of the types of battles waged. It is all par for the course.
It's sad, as always, to see these things play out and see another "warrior for truth" fall on the battle field (if Les ever WAS that in any real sense, which I tend to think he was, but I guess anything can be faked to a certain degree for a while) . But it doesn't get to me in as intense a way as it used to. I know that it's almost inevitable that these type of things will continue to happen without the awareness, efforts, and precautions taken to keep from being taken out of the game and made ineffective for all practical intents and purposes.
It didn't HAVE to be this way with Les, as with others, if he was willing to network with a sincere group such as this who would watch his back and warn him of the dangers of the way he's headed. But he didn't want to hear any of it and didn't take the warnings seriously. So the current situation and outcome was virtually inevitable.
One other thing all of this reminded me of was how Gurdjieff used to use alcohol at his large dinners to bring out and show a side of people that they normally would be able to hide. For a certain duration of time, there is always the opportunity to be sincere with oneself (and those trying to point these things out) and working on healing and changing these sides of oneself. IF there's anything else in there to grow and develop at the expense of losing the previously better hidden sides.
ADDED: I just saw your post, Lilou. I agree with the curious questions you have raised about Les. But I just want to make the point that Les and others could have been targeted (long ago) BECAUSE they had so much potential. Again, it's difficult to say, if not impossible. What we know for certain is only where he ended up.
lw said:
No Luke.
If you had read Laura's last post to you, which you even quoted, you would have seen the line:
Laura said:
As to your assessment of Les, the impression you gave me through your complete and total self-confidence, led me to believe you were lost in projection and that you were really just describing yourself.
lw said:
knowledge_of_self
The Living Force
luke wilson said:
This could be said about anybody that's COINTELPRO, like Alex Jones, Vinny, Jay Weidner. They should all come with warning signs but they don't. The point is for us to be the warning signs for people who choose to research about the person they read stuff from. People like Les have a potential to be very dangerous to people who read his writings and take it literally, and tend to identify with him. He should be exposed.
luke wilson said:
That's funny that you say this, because your whole post (to me) came across as exactly the opposite. It came across as if you were mocking this thread, and telling people to just "surrender" because this guy is nuts, so who cares.
Oh and Lilou, those are some excellent questions! Not sure if we'll ever find answers to them, but it definitely makes one wonder..
luke wilson
The Living Force
T.C. said:
Oh well... Can't say I am that dissappointed. The battle goes on..
T.C. said:
I might be wrong, but here was my reasoning.
Les is clearly talented. If we are to be honest, this is the truth.
The problem with some talented people, is that after some time no matter what talent they possess, it starts eating away at them. They become maybe arrogant, sure of themselves, blind, etc. So right now that is what he is. He then looks at himself and I am sure he has acknowledged this, then he has a decision to make, to backtrack or to proceed. So why would he backtrack, surely that is the biggest form of self-doubt for such a person? To come out and say drug use is wrong, what he gets when he is under the influence isnt real, just illusions, or that he didnt conduct himself properly when he went to see Laura. He can say all this, make a huge leap and try to turn a corner, but why should he??? It so happens that things have played out that way, for 1 he thinks drug use enables him to reach a 'real' level, this is where deception takes on the image of something real and the victim is lost, then he could use whatever self-observation faculties he has left to him to, backtrack thus causing him some ego-suffering. Why does he want to put himself through that? He is brilliant, he has years of excellent work as many readers are saying. All those years have built an image and impression of invisibility, now he finds himself here and you know what, from his point of view, the problem is everyone else, NOT him. OSIT
For more information I refer you to this
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/226549-Do-Narcissists-Know-They-Are-Narcissists-
Les isnt blind for the most part. He is well aware what he is doing and I think he LOVES it. Now I dont really know him, I am just using the tools available, like this article for example, to see where patterns fit and what that might mean.
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
SeekinTruth said:
ANYTHING can be faked by a certain type of person for quite some time to serve an agenda. Anything. Never underestimate what 'they' are willing to do to. As I said previously, I don't think Les 'fell', I think Les was always who he is now and has always been serving a very particular purpose - he had the ego to fit the bill and the mental instability and proclivity for drugs to make it easy (no one's driving the bus) - almost like he was 'custom made'. Perhaps there was a point when he was young that he could have become something else - I certainly can't speak to such things because there's no way to know - but time and again we see this same scenario.
We see a person who steps into a role (or is groomed for it) to relieve a certain tension in society but never really changes anything. They speak the words others want to say or hear and in doing so, those others feel that something is being done, or at least truth is being told, so the pressure is released and they go back to sleep a little more soundly, knowing at least their viewpoint is being said out loud (the fact that it's in futility doesn't catch their attention). So, the pressure is released, the speaker is wholly controlled and will eventually use that voice to cause harm to something that could make a difference.
Same old tactic, different silk skull cap.
Mountain Crown
The Living Force
[quote author=luke]The problem with some talented people, is that after some time no matter what talent they possess, it starts eating away at them. . .
So right now that is what he is. He then looks at himself and I am sure he has acknowledged this, then he has a decision to make, to backtrack or to proceed.[/quote]
Luke, there’s a limit you know.
Did you ever have a conversation at a party and some noisy dude keeps interrupting because he just had to say something, anything?
So right now that is what he is. He then looks at himself and I am sure he has acknowledged this, then he has a decision to make, to backtrack or to proceed.[/quote]
Luke, there’s a limit you know.
Did you ever have a conversation at a party and some noisy dude keeps interrupting because he just had to say something, anything?
