"Life Without Bread"
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Glad you found it helpful. When you feel you energy dropping, maybe try adding some fat first. Laura's mentioned spreading butter or ghee on really thinly sliced ham and eating that when you feel a little peckish. It's delicious, plus you get lots of fat without too much extra protein. The fat is the important part.
liffy
Jedi
I've been doing some butter-rolls, and they seem to help out, I guess it just might take some time until my body is running completely on ketones, as I haven't been doing this for such a long time. (I have been a lot lower on the carbs than the average person for the last few years, but not as low as this).
I'm also getting back on track with my exercise, something I think will help the transition, as well as increase energy levels.
I'm also getting back on track with my exercise, something I think will help the transition, as well as increase energy levels.
Hi Liffy,
The information on mTOR is actually in Primal Body, Primal Mind (too many books!)
PBPM recommends .8 gms of protein per kilo (2.2 lbs) of ideal body weight per day and not exceeding 25 gms per meal as it trips that mTOR sensor. Elsewhere in the book there is advice on how to calculate your meals if you want to lose weight. It's really a terrific book.
The information on mTOR is actually in Primal Body, Primal Mind (too many books!)
PBPM pg 195-6 said:
PBPM recommends .8 gms of protein per kilo (2.2 lbs) of ideal body weight per day and not exceeding 25 gms per meal as it trips that mTOR sensor. Elsewhere in the book there is advice on how to calculate your meals if you want to lose weight. It's really a terrific book.
Hi,
I recently found out that one of the glucose monitors used in diabetic control is also able to measure ketone bodies in the blood. It measures beta-hydroxybutyrate, which is the main ketone substance in the body after ketoadaptation.
Its manufactured by Abbott Healthcare and sold in Australia under the name of Optium Xceed (in the US it is called Precision Xtra). The unit itself is not overly expensive (around 60 AUD), but the ketostrips are (the cheapest I have found were 10 strips for 10 AUD, so that's one buck per shot).
I was wondering if these could be used to determine one's glucose threshold when in ketoadapted state, by slowly and gradually increasing the daily carb intake and measuring the ketone concentration. When in ketoadapted state they should measure a concentration of beta-ketones between 0.5 to 5 mM and this should drop to zero once you cross that threshold. The interesting thing would be to see, if the threshold is the same over time, or if it varies according to other factors.
OF course this can be done clinically also ...
I recently found out that one of the glucose monitors used in diabetic control is also able to measure ketone bodies in the blood. It measures beta-hydroxybutyrate, which is the main ketone substance in the body after ketoadaptation.
Its manufactured by Abbott Healthcare and sold in Australia under the name of Optium Xceed (in the US it is called Precision Xtra). The unit itself is not overly expensive (around 60 AUD), but the ketostrips are (the cheapest I have found were 10 strips for 10 AUD, so that's one buck per shot).
I was wondering if these could be used to determine one's glucose threshold when in ketoadapted state, by slowly and gradually increasing the daily carb intake and measuring the ketone concentration. When in ketoadapted state they should measure a concentration of beta-ketones between 0.5 to 5 mM and this should drop to zero once you cross that threshold. The interesting thing would be to see, if the threshold is the same over time, or if it varies according to other factors.
OF course this can be done clinically also ...
mcb
The Living Force
nicklebleu said:
For those who simply must know their ketone levels, I suppose this might be a solution to the problem. But I do believe that the body has many monitors of its own, offering more than enough accuracy for everyday use. If your weight and blood sugar are stable and you are in good mood and feeling reasonably energetic, and able to go an extended length of time between meals without ill effect, to me that seems to say more than a ketone reading does, and at no cost.
liffy said:
I STRONGLY urge you to read the entire thread AND the recommended books. Everybody is different and all kinds of things can come up that you need to be prepared to understand and sort out. It's not just a question of dietary guidelines, it's practically a science of the body.
Megan said:
I have the same meter here, but no test strips anymore. I followed then more or less what Megan stated also earlier, that it is just a test and to question the accuracy of tests is then another chapter. :)
Keit said:
I also lost about 2-3 kilos. And still need almost everyday a nap at about lunch time. Still my energy levels could be better, also when this was the first day where I could work on many things from morning till now.
Still I'm weighing my food and sometimes guess a bit, so that the protein intake is about 60grs. and the carbs below 20, most often it is even less. Sometimes I need tiny snacks in between and sometimes I can work without food for about 4-6 hrs, it also depends how busy I keep myself. ;)
Gawan said:
At first I really felt I needed the ketosis strips, but now I agree, you can tell by how you feel for the most part. I'm finding I can easily go a long time between meals and energy levels are good. I did lose about 3 kgs though, and being one of the "skinnies", I'm hoping to put that back on.
Geez, 1600+ posts on this thread!! I'm so far behind on this one. I wasn't really paying attention to this thread because I haven't really been eating bread for quite some time. But now, I see this is about anything but "bread".
About 5-6 months ago I was eating mostly lean meat (pork loin, london broil and chicken breast) bacon and eggs cooked with herbs, in butter or bacon grease (some fresh, some dried) and small amounts of various fresh veggies, steamed or sauteed in olive oil or butter. By May I had cut out most all veggies but the dark green ones (broccoli, asparagus, and Brussel sprouts).
Somewhere around the beginning of July, I read in one of the threads, that we should be eating about 2:1 fats/protein (and <75g carbs ??) So I started eating more boston butt (pork shoulder) and beef roasts with the fat on them, bacon and eggs. I still cook them with herbs in bacon grease (sometimes fresh lime too). But I only eat the dark green veggies maybe twice a week if that. I haven't used lard or duck fat, as I only recently found pure lard at a local farm and no duck fat as of yet.
I haven't added up the grams of fat/protein yet but the calories are in excess of 4000 a day. I work about 10-12 hours a day, 6 day weeks. I normally eat breakfast @ 06:00 and am not hungry, tired or have brain drain til @ 19:00-20:00, when I eat again. I don't always eat twice a day. I've realized that I eat 10-12x a week. It works out for a week, to be about 3dz eggs, 4k of fatty pork/beef and 1k bacon including most of the bacon grease being consumed, plus about 0.5k of herbs. I like the eggs cooked "easy" and use the bacon grease and runny eggs like a sauce for the meat. I cook the beef rare to med-rare and pork chicken just til the juices run clear.
I also found that I shouldn't take mineral supplements after mid-day or I won't be sleepy til almost time to wake (05:00), even then most times I simply eat breakfast, take some minerals and go to work. I don't sleep more than 5hrs most nights anyhow, but if I go a few weeks missing my normal sleep, I will sleep 10-12 hrs Sat/Sun.
I've lost about 10k and still loose more when I don't eat as much. I feel great considering the amount of stress in my life the last few years even in this summer heat, and my brain is much clearer. People are shocked, to find that I'm old enough to have a daughter that got married last spring. (on her birthday, I told her "She will soon be as old as me" :P )
This past week I had to eat-out Mon.-Tues. because I was traveling. Although I tried to eat as close to the same things as I cook at home, my guts were "tore up by Thurs. So I didn't eat again until Sat. night, when I was where I could cook for myself.
I plan to catch up on this thread and will try to buy "Primal Body, Primal Mind" book this week.
About 5-6 months ago I was eating mostly lean meat (pork loin, london broil and chicken breast) bacon and eggs cooked with herbs, in butter or bacon grease (some fresh, some dried) and small amounts of various fresh veggies, steamed or sauteed in olive oil or butter. By May I had cut out most all veggies but the dark green ones (broccoli, asparagus, and Brussel sprouts).
Somewhere around the beginning of July, I read in one of the threads, that we should be eating about 2:1 fats/protein (and <75g carbs ??) So I started eating more boston butt (pork shoulder) and beef roasts with the fat on them, bacon and eggs. I still cook them with herbs in bacon grease (sometimes fresh lime too). But I only eat the dark green veggies maybe twice a week if that. I haven't used lard or duck fat, as I only recently found pure lard at a local farm and no duck fat as of yet.
I haven't added up the grams of fat/protein yet but the calories are in excess of 4000 a day. I work about 10-12 hours a day, 6 day weeks. I normally eat breakfast @ 06:00 and am not hungry, tired or have brain drain til @ 19:00-20:00, when I eat again. I don't always eat twice a day. I've realized that I eat 10-12x a week. It works out for a week, to be about 3dz eggs, 4k of fatty pork/beef and 1k bacon including most of the bacon grease being consumed, plus about 0.5k of herbs. I like the eggs cooked "easy" and use the bacon grease and runny eggs like a sauce for the meat. I cook the beef rare to med-rare and pork chicken just til the juices run clear.
I also found that I shouldn't take mineral supplements after mid-day or I won't be sleepy til almost time to wake (05:00), even then most times I simply eat breakfast, take some minerals and go to work. I don't sleep more than 5hrs most nights anyhow, but if I go a few weeks missing my normal sleep, I will sleep 10-12 hrs Sat/Sun.
I've lost about 10k and still loose more when I don't eat as much. I feel great considering the amount of stress in my life the last few years even in this summer heat, and my brain is much clearer. People are shocked, to find that I'm old enough to have a daughter that got married last spring. (on her birthday, I told her "She will soon be as old as me" :P )
This past week I had to eat-out Mon.-Tues. because I was traveling. Although I tried to eat as close to the same things as I cook at home, my guts were "tore up by Thurs. So I didn't eat again until Sat. night, when I was where I could cook for myself.
I plan to catch up on this thread and will try to buy "Primal Body, Primal Mind" book this week.
SolarMother
Dagobah Resident
Little bit o' an update...
The bowels are pretty much normal according to how they are supposed to be eating high fat, very low carbs. It took 11 weeks!
Still titrating with Vit C and taking magnesium, and this keeps the bowels regular--but only once a day. Sometimes it's more than that, 2 times in the day, once or twice a week. Every once in a while, 3 times a day.
Take L-Carnitine every night otherwise sharp muscle spasms will occur at night. Also taking L-Glutamine.
With meals, taking Omega 3, Potassium (99mg,) occasionally Ox Bile, and daily taking CoQ10.
It's tough to find enough fat in the meat here, but do my best with bacon fat, butter and fat from cooked lamb (lamb is still too lean) or duck, or beef. Not able to find beef or pork tallow yet! All butchers here have grain fed meat. Bummer. At the farmer's market there is grass fed beef. We are searching for naturally fed pigs.
Between 8:30-9AM, eat 3 slices organic fatty bacon, 1 small sausage patty, 2 raw egg yolks for breakfast. Not able to cut down on protein in AM. Feel satiated until 2pm. This is a good thing. At lunch the protein is lamb or chicken thighs with coconut oil and milk, or beef or duck, with a lot of bacon fat, duck fat, etc with a few green beans or broccoli, or onions and/or carrots. Never exceed more than 25g of foundation veggies per day, usually much less. In early evening I have ham slices with butter or sardines, or anchovies with avacado. Small amounts--get full quickly.
Not ready yet to naturally cut down on protein, but for my body weight, I don't think I eat too much protein. Fry up duck fat, chicken skins, chicarrones, and beef fat every chance I get. It's divine!
Have lost 3 dress sizes! Feel more energetic, especially in the morning.
The bowels are pretty much normal according to how they are supposed to be eating high fat, very low carbs. It took 11 weeks!
Still titrating with Vit C and taking magnesium, and this keeps the bowels regular--but only once a day. Sometimes it's more than that, 2 times in the day, once or twice a week. Every once in a while, 3 times a day.
Take L-Carnitine every night otherwise sharp muscle spasms will occur at night. Also taking L-Glutamine.
With meals, taking Omega 3, Potassium (99mg,) occasionally Ox Bile, and daily taking CoQ10.
It's tough to find enough fat in the meat here, but do my best with bacon fat, butter and fat from cooked lamb (lamb is still too lean) or duck, or beef. Not able to find beef or pork tallow yet! All butchers here have grain fed meat. Bummer. At the farmer's market there is grass fed beef. We are searching for naturally fed pigs.
Between 8:30-9AM, eat 3 slices organic fatty bacon, 1 small sausage patty, 2 raw egg yolks for breakfast. Not able to cut down on protein in AM. Feel satiated until 2pm. This is a good thing. At lunch the protein is lamb or chicken thighs with coconut oil and milk, or beef or duck, with a lot of bacon fat, duck fat, etc with a few green beans or broccoli, or onions and/or carrots. Never exceed more than 25g of foundation veggies per day, usually much less. In early evening I have ham slices with butter or sardines, or anchovies with avacado. Small amounts--get full quickly.
Not ready yet to naturally cut down on protein, but for my body weight, I don't think I eat too much protein. Fry up duck fat, chicken skins, chicarrones, and beef fat every chance I get. It's divine!
Have lost 3 dress sizes! Feel more energetic, especially in the morning.
LQB said:
Just an update on this in case it may help someone else. The deep "core" pains in various places have slowly subsided and tendency to cramp is gone. The best I can figure is that I ODed on salt and it just took a while to get it processed. I've had no salt since and my sweat has remained salty.
