"Life Without Bread"

[Mikey]

I have a question about certain food and high cholesterol! Am I able to eat any of these grains or flour "buckwheat flour, Quinoa, Oats and or brown rice"?

This is a thread about carbohydrate restriction -- no flour of any kind.

What area on here would I find recipes for high cholesterol diets on here?

See the recipes section: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/board,50.0.html

 

[Laura]

And read this entire thread, Hellfire, as well as "what's for dinner".

 

[brainwave]

As I am enjoying the taste of bacon though not so much the tummy aches, I made a discovery today. I have been taking the supplements per Gaby ( glutamine, colostrum, omega 3s etc) three times daily making sure the amino acid supplements are between meals and not eating late. After a night of poor sleep because my stomach was in knots, I woke up this morning to take my first supplement dose. I was so out of it, I had an extra large dose of glutamine (5000mg) by accident. The cool thing was that the excruciating stomach ache disappeared some shortly after wards, as did some residual muscle aches from some extra stretching exercises two days ago. I think it is the maximum dose suggested by Gedguadas. Maybe it's just a coincidence with the L-glutamine but I doubt it. Whatever it is I"m loving it! All the fatty meat consumed the rest of the day was not followed by stomach cramps and I had a mid afternoon snack of two bacon strips! So maybe a really high dose of L-glutamine could help for some with ongoing muscle pain and stomach issues too?

 

[Voyageur]

While the article itself is obviously propaganda, the reader comments in response to this article Is a Paleo Diet Healthy? are very interesting!

Hurray for the commentators! :D

Double Hurray's, some great comments.

However, the expert here says:

Unfortunately, in my opinion, the Paleo diet falls into the fad diet category

Hmmm, ancient ancestral diet a fad, possible spanning hundreds of thousands of years as opposed to our modern monoculture's Golden Arches agriculture experiment.

Then there was a mix of pros & cons with dairy and grain defaults and a final summery, at first to stay clear of the Paleo diet, but then strangely, back to hailing the ancient diet.

Overall, I would steer clear of the Paleo diet, but we can take away something from our ancestors by eating foods closer to their natural state (less processed), which are more nutrient-dense and digested more slowly by the body. In most cases, they lead to better hunger control, more stable blood sugar levels and weight loss if calories are reduced and exercise is increased (as it sounds like they are in your case).

Think she kind of gets it, but is sitting between stools and could likely benefit from doing a little reading here.

 

[Gaby]

I was so out of it, I had an extra large dose of glutamine (5000mg) by accident. The cool thing was that the excruciating stomach ache disappeared some shortly after wards, as did some residual muscle aches from some extra stretching exercises two days ago. I think it is the maximum dose suggested by Gedguadas. Maybe it's just a coincidence with the L-glutamine but I doubt it. Whatever it is I"m loving it! All the fatty meat consumed the rest of the day was not followed by stomach cramps and I had a mid afternoon snack of two bacon strips! So maybe a really high dose of L-glutamine could help for some with ongoing muscle pain and stomach issues too?

Doses of 5000mg (some say 6000mg) of L-glutamine are recommended for leaky gut reparation. It is a superfood for the digestive system and it helps with the transition into the diet. If it helps, you can keep taking that dose for awhile. It is good stuff. :)

 

[Jacques]

So maybe a really high dose of L-glutamine could help for some with ongoing muscle pain and stomach issues too?

Thank you for sharing your experience brainwave.

Will definitively try it.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Tigersoap and I have not finished all the threads yet and are still waiting for some of the books to arrive from England, and so we don't want to begin carb restriction, etc. without knowing more (having been vegetarian for more than 16 years, carbs were a major staple of our diet) BUT we have been reducing sugar and introducing new meals: chicken bone broth (chicken carcass boiled with onions, bones crushed to get the marrow out, then everything blended, it made the most delicious cream of chicken soup!), soup made with one or two carrots, a handful of green beans, onions and thick slices of bacon and once served, we added a chunk of butter directly in each bowl. Oh my, that was good!!!

 

[anart]

Tigersoap and I have not finished all the threads yet and are still waiting for some of the books to arrive from England, and so we don't want to begin carb restriction, etc. without knowing more (having been vegetarian for more than 16 years, carbs were a major staple of our diet) BUT we have been reducing sugar and introducing new meals: chicken bone broth (chicken carcass boiled with onions, bones crushed to get the marrow out, then everything blended, it made the most delicious cream of chicken soup!), soup made with one or two carrots, a handful of green beans, onions and thick slices of bacon and once served, we added a chunk of butter directly in each bowl. Oh my, that was good!!!

Just another encouragement - I cannot stress how much better both of you will feel once you are on a low carb high meat/fat diet. I was a vegetarian for 24 years - all I ate was carbs, pretty much. Trust me - it is going to change everything, from the way you feel - all day - to the way you think. Don't be afraid! Also, increasing fat without decreasing carbs WILL cause trouble - so be careful of that. You must greatly decrease carbs if you are increasing fat.

 

[Courageous Inmate Sort]

Have to agree with nicklebleu here, Gertrudes. Nothing in your numbers really jumps out as a problem. Total cholesterol is a useless figure; it doesn't mean anything unless you're looking to get on statins . Your HDL is high and your triglycerides are low. As nicklebleu said, that's a good thing! And without seeing a breakdown of the particle size of your LDL, this number is pretty useless, too. If it's all light fluffy LDL (which it probably is given your low triglyceride levels) you have nothing to worry about.

Just to add, as I've read somewhere, the lower your triglycerides, the more likely you have more Pattern A LDL (the light fluffy stuff) than Pattern B LDL (the heavy and dense stuff). More than that, the lower your triglycerides, the least reliable is the formula that labs use to calculate LDL - most lab tests don't measure LDL, they just calculate it according to Friedewald's formula.

This means that the lower your triglycerides, the better your chances of having good LDL instead of bad LDL and also less total LDL than your lab test indicates.

Edit: I just found this website that calculates your LDL based on total cholesterol, HDL and triglycerides both with the Friedewald's formula and the Iranian formula. It seems that the Iranian formula may be more accurate for low carbers with high cholesterol: _http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~geoff36/LDL_mg.htm

 

[Gertrudes]

You might want to check out this Healthy Skeptic article for more on this, called "I Have High Cholesterol and I Don't Care".

Thanks dugdeep. I have read it before but I need to refresh my memory as I have an appointment with the doctor at the end of this months. She isn't a regular doctor per se, so I don't know whether she'll follow the regular route of "burning the Cholesterol witch", but I want to be prepared in any case.

Hope you're having/had a good vacation :)

It was very replenishing, thank you :)

This means that the lower your triglycerides, the better your chances of having good LDL instead of bad LDL and also less total LDL than your lab test indicates.

Yes, I was happy when I saw my triglycerides levels because they are the real concern. Thanks for clarifying it further Courageous.

chicken bone broth (chicken carcass boiled with onions, bones crushed to get the marrow out, then everything blended, it made the most delicious cream of chicken soup!)

Mrs. Tigersoap, out of curiosity, do you know roughly how long did your broth take to cook before and after you crushed the bones? I'm asking it because I haven't yet tried bone broth due to the length of cooking time since I have to be at home while it is cooking, but with crushed bones I figure it will probably make it much, much faster.

 

[beetlemaniac]

Gertrudes, you could try making bone broth in a pressure cooker. I put them in and cook for around an hour, maybe more. Faster than the slow simmer method. Maybe need a bit longer to get the bones soft enough for blending. You could also add some acid (I use apple cider vinegar).

 

[3DStudent]

I take that much too just in case my gut needs some repair. I think it's a pretty standard dose because the scooper in my powder is 5g. Glad to see you are moving along well!

Thanks for sharing that you also take that much. Are you taking it once a day or three times a day?
Before that "accident" I was taking the capsules which were 500mg each. So, I was getting between 1500 and 3000mg a day, mostly 3000 as I would take two at a time. When I started using the powder I was using a third of the scoop 3 times a day. Now I'll just use the whole thing first thing in the morning as that seems to work best for me.

 

[reborn]

Aloha, All!

I wanted to share with you some links from "The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D."
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Lierre Keith quotes him also a lot in her book The Vegetarian Myth, in the 4th chapter.

Yes, she does :) I recently finished reading VM, and am truly impressed at what a great book that is. Now I've got to get over to the related thread someday ;)

I want to have a little bit more "baggage" in order to know what to say next time I go to the doctor.

Gertrudes, I think that Mike Eades will help add to that "baggage" because he often writes about the misinformation regarding cholesterol and triglycerides. If you put either or both of those words into the search engine at his blog, you will get lots of information to add to your support :)

Here's an apropos example to get you started:

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/statins/talking-diet-your-doctor/


In health :)
Renee

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Just another encouragement - I cannot stress how much better both of you will feel once you are on a low carb high meat/fat diet. I was a vegetarian for 24 years - all I ate was carbs, pretty much. Trust me - it is going to change everything, from the way you feel - all day - to the way you think. Don't be afraid! Also, increasing fat without decreasing carbs WILL cause trouble - so be careful of that. You must greatly decrease carbs if you are increasing fat.

Yes, I read your recent post about how you felt on this diet and it was quite inspirational. As a vegetarian, we literally used to live on carbs (we were ovo-lacto vegetarians, so we did have some animal fat, though). I am so glad I stopped being a vegetarian before reading The Vegetarian Myth. What a slap in the face!
We have been naturally decreasing carbs without really noticing, ever since we stopped gluten a year and a half ago. We recently realized that the amount of carbs we were eating is in fact not that high (mainly vegetables, some raspberries... OK, and the occasional chocolate!). But compared to where we came from, that's already a huge change. We are careful with fat as I know I have to take care: I get easily nauseous and only some fat will do and in small quantities (beef tallow seems to be OK in very small quantities only while my body loves ghee). I also take milk thistle (a staple in my 'pharmacy') and enzymes. So, we're taking small steps in the right direction but we did not want to rush into this without knowing more first.

Mrs. Tigersoap, out of curiosity, do you know roughly how long did your broth take to cook before and after you crushed the bones? I'm asking it because I haven't yet tried bone broth due to the length of cooking time since I have to be at home while it is cooking, but with crushed bones I figure it will probably make it much, much faster.

My chicken carcass broth cooked for about three hours and I crushed the bones when they were completely clean (without any scrap of meat left) and the carcass was really falling apart (after about two hours, I think). Tigersoap used a nut cracker. Some were already soft. I tried to scrape the inside of the bone to help a bit, but they were really hot ! Let us know how your broth turns out!

 

[Nienna]

Yes, I read your recent post about how you felt on this diet and it was quite inspirational. As a vegetarian, we literally used to live on carbs (we were ovo-lacto vegetarians, so we did have some animal fat, though). I am so glad I stopped being a vegetarian before reading The Vegetarian Myth. What a slap in the face!
We have been naturally decreasing carbs without really noticing, ever since we stopped gluten a year and a half ago. We recently realized that the amount of carbs we were eating is in fact not that high (mainly vegetables, some raspberries... OK, and the occasional chocolate!). But compared to where we came from, that's already a huge change. We are careful with fat as I know I have to take care: I get easily nauseous and only some fat will do and in small quantities (beef tallow seems to be OK in very small quantities only while my body loves ghee). I also take milk thistle (a staple in my 'pharmacy') and enzymes. So, we're taking small steps in the right direction but we did not want to rush into this without knowing more first.

It really is important to read the books before doing the low-carbohydrate diet so I'm glad you realize this.

I do want to emphasize that people who have been eating high-carbohydrate diets tend to have their Hydrochloric Acid shut off in their stomachs. So you could start taking Betaine HCI right now to help you to digest the meat/fat and everything else you are eating. It has made a world of difference for me. You may want to try the ox bile, also, and see how that works for you. But don't start them on the same day so you can see what type of affect they have on you. Of course, continue the enzymes. :)