Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 - Missing Plane
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angelburst29
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angelburst29 said:
With U.S. Navy guided-missle destroyers positioned near Crimea in the Black Sea due to the Ukrainian crises and also near China (a Russian ally) in the South China Sea within the area of the Malayian Flight 370 crises, a report has surfaced the Russians parked their premier Northern Fleet naval tug, Nikolay Chiker off the coast of Florida?
_http://www.informationdissemination.net/
Saturday, March 15, 2014
Watching the Russians... Off Florida's Coast (Map)
Tom Hill @te3ej has been tracking the Russian Tug Nikolay Chiker for the last few weeks as it made its way down to Cuba with Russia's premier spy ship the Viktor Leonov CCB-175. Yesterday Tom Hill noted the tug has taken up position just off the coast of Florida - now for two days at 29 18 00.0N, 80 30 00.0W.
While some mock the Russians for always deploying tugs with their Navy, I've grown to appreciate it as I have now observe them use the tugs effectively both in soft power operations and now military operations like trapping the Ukrainian fleet. Navy's can do a lot when they have ships with incredible utility like Fleet tugs, indeed one might ask how the US government screams really loud about climate change, but doesn't build ships like icebreakers and fleet tugs. Like I've always said, we should all start to actually worry about the effects of climate change the day the government starts buying a bunch of those types of ships, because that will be the day the government is legitimately worrying about it.
The Nikolay Chiker is widely considered to be one of the worlds most powerful ocean tugs, but more important from this observers perspective, the tug seems to always be escorting high value assets of the Russian Navy when it deploys.
So the question is, why have the Russians parked their premier Northern Fleet naval tug off the coast of Florida? There are probably several valid reasons, but if I was to speculate, the following two reasons strike me as the most likely.
The ship is observing the launch of Falcon 9 SpaceX CRS3 scheduled for early Sunday morning from the SLC-40 Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket will launch the Dragon C3 for its fifth operational cargo delivery mission to the International Space Station. The flight is being conducted under the Commercial Resupply Services contract with NASA.
In addition to that though, during previous visits to the US east coast by the tug, US media reported that Nikolay Chiker escorted Russian nuclear attack submarines that were patrolling our coast at the time. Given circumstances taking place in Ukraine, I think it is very possible that Nikolay Chiker is staying near Cape Canaveral for legitimate reasons (to monitor the launch) but is also standing nearby as one or more Russian nuclear attack submarines monitor US Navy activity out of Kings Bay, Mayport, and or Norfolk during a period of political crisis between the US and Russia.
Indeed, given the presence of Nikolay Chiker off the Florida coast and given the events unfolding in the Ukraine, I believe it would be foolish not to assume that Russia is operating submarines off our East coast naval bases.
Special thanks to @russiannavyblog for assisting me thinking through this activity as we have observed/discussed it together on Twitter the last few days.
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vigilis • 19 hours ago Suggest not overlooking proximity of our base at Kings Bay, GA.
Though not indicated on the above map, The home of our Atlantic SSBN (Trident sub) fleet and Strategic Weapons Facility, is right there, a mere 29 miles (driving) from Fernandina Beach, FL.
Perhaps Russia is playing catch up on sonar signatures. Just a thought...
TruthfulJames • 9 hours agoThis is an indicator of solid Russian planning in connection with the Crimean invasion -- the first of two steps castrating the Ukraine. The second, of course, is the rescue of the Great Russian people in Eastern Ukraine and the establishment of a new state there. This is Putin's Great War -- to unify the Great Russian people.
Our ballistic and cruise missile (conventional warheads) submarines are the greatest threat to the base at Sevastopol. Within the planning cycle an Essential Element of Information is the location and movement of these units. Depending on the Russian submarine forces available, I would expect the Russians to shadow, if possible, our boats, even handing them off to a second set of SSN as they move towards firing position.
If you want to be more deeply serious, I would expect that Russia has units prepared to back up a Putin tactic (eyes only, President to President) that such an attack would be considered by him to be an attack by the United States on the Russian people, and that retaliation would be immediately launched. on U.S. Naval bases.
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angelburst29
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A far more detailed description of the military radar plotting than has been publicly revealed.
_http://osnetdaily.com/2014/03/radar-data-suggests-flight-370-flown-toward-andaman-islands/
When asked about the range of military radar at a news conference on Thursday, Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said it was “a sensitive issue” that he was not going to reveal.
“Even if it doesn’t extend beyond that, we can get the co-operation of the neighboring countries,” he said.
The fact that the aircraft – if it was MH370 – had lost contact with air traffic control and was invisible to civilian radar suggested someone on board had turned off its communication systems, the first two sources said.
They also gave new details on the direction in which the unidentified aircraft was heading – following aviation corridors identified on maps used by pilots as N571 and P628. These routes are taken by commercial planes flying from Southeast Asia to the Middle East or Europe and can be found in public documents issued by regional aviation authorities.
In a far more detailed description of the military radar plotting than has been publicly revealed, the first two sources said the last confirmed position of MH370 was at 35,000 feet about 90 miles off the east coast of Malaysia, heading towards Vietnam, near a navigational waypoint called “Igari”. The time was 1:21 a.m..
The military track suggests it then turned sharply westwards, heading towards a waypoint called “Vampi”, northeast of Indonesia’s Aceh province and a navigational point used for planes following route N571 to the Middle East.
From there, the plot indicates the plane flew towards a waypoint called “Gival”, south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another waypoint called “Igrex”, on route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe.
The time was then 2:15 a.m. That is the same time given by the air force chief on Wednesday, who gave no information on that plane’s possible direction.
The sources said Malaysia was requesting raw radar data from neighbours Thailand, Indonesia and India, which has a naval base in the Andaman Islands.
#MH370 watchers asking questions about Diego Garcia
_http://twitchy.com/2014/03/15/mh370-watchers-asking-questions-about-diego-garcia/
During Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak’s bizarre and alarming press conference last night on missing airliner #MH370, he revealed that the multi-country search has now turned to a vast swath of the Indian Ocean.
Many civilian observers pulled out their maps and are asking questions about Diego Garcia. Nope, not a person named “Diego Garcia,” but Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia, which “provides logistic support to operational forces forward deployed to the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf areas of responsibility in support of national policy objectives” on “an atoll of the Chagos Archipelago in the British Indian Ocean Territory, located 7 degrees south of the equator.”
In the Comments section: Maps
“@n3m6: Basically, the "corridors" used by media are wrong. These are the corridors. pic.twitter.com/lV0UprMT8S” The Diego Garcia theory?
Funny how US Media has avoided all week talking about the US Military Base "Diego Garcia" I wonder why?
(2,141 miles in direct line from plane take-off. (Map)
coincidence? #MH370 gave off 6 pings, 1/hour and the last radar point lies exactly on US military base Diego Garcia (Map)
_http://osnetdaily.com/2014/03/radar-data-suggests-flight-370-flown-toward-andaman-islands/
When asked about the range of military radar at a news conference on Thursday, Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said it was “a sensitive issue” that he was not going to reveal.
“Even if it doesn’t extend beyond that, we can get the co-operation of the neighboring countries,” he said.
The fact that the aircraft – if it was MH370 – had lost contact with air traffic control and was invisible to civilian radar suggested someone on board had turned off its communication systems, the first two sources said.
They also gave new details on the direction in which the unidentified aircraft was heading – following aviation corridors identified on maps used by pilots as N571 and P628. These routes are taken by commercial planes flying from Southeast Asia to the Middle East or Europe and can be found in public documents issued by regional aviation authorities.
In a far more detailed description of the military radar plotting than has been publicly revealed, the first two sources said the last confirmed position of MH370 was at 35,000 feet about 90 miles off the east coast of Malaysia, heading towards Vietnam, near a navigational waypoint called “Igari”. The time was 1:21 a.m..
The military track suggests it then turned sharply westwards, heading towards a waypoint called “Vampi”, northeast of Indonesia’s Aceh province and a navigational point used for planes following route N571 to the Middle East.
From there, the plot indicates the plane flew towards a waypoint called “Gival”, south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another waypoint called “Igrex”, on route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe.
The time was then 2:15 a.m. That is the same time given by the air force chief on Wednesday, who gave no information on that plane’s possible direction.
The sources said Malaysia was requesting raw radar data from neighbours Thailand, Indonesia and India, which has a naval base in the Andaman Islands.
#MH370 watchers asking questions about Diego Garcia
_http://twitchy.com/2014/03/15/mh370-watchers-asking-questions-about-diego-garcia/
During Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak’s bizarre and alarming press conference last night on missing airliner #MH370, he revealed that the multi-country search has now turned to a vast swath of the Indian Ocean.
Many civilian observers pulled out their maps and are asking questions about Diego Garcia. Nope, not a person named “Diego Garcia,” but Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia, which “provides logistic support to operational forces forward deployed to the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf areas of responsibility in support of national policy objectives” on “an atoll of the Chagos Archipelago in the British Indian Ocean Territory, located 7 degrees south of the equator.”
In the Comments section: Maps
“@n3m6: Basically, the "corridors" used by media are wrong. These are the corridors. pic.twitter.com/lV0UprMT8S” The Diego Garcia theory?
Funny how US Media has avoided all week talking about the US Military Base "Diego Garcia" I wonder why?
(2,141 miles in direct line from plane take-off. (Map)
coincidence? #MH370 gave off 6 pings, 1/hour and the last radar point lies exactly on US military base Diego Garcia (Map)
I think they are working way too hard to cook up a damage-control cover story about hijacking.
Don Lemon ‘puts it out there’: Was lost Malaysian flight taken by ‘supernatural’ forces?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/17/don-lemon-puts-it-out-there-was-lost-malaysian-flight-taken-by-supernatural-forces/
Don Lemon ‘puts it out there’: Was lost Malaysian flight taken by ‘supernatural’ forces?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/17/don-lemon-puts-it-out-there-was-lost-malaysian-flight-taken-by-supernatural-forces/
What I find interesting is that it doesn't seem anyone has released the definite flight path for the hours the plane was in the air after radar lost track of it, AFAIK. Makes me wonder if the records they DO have are just too weird, i.e., anomalous. What if the signals they received don't make any sense? Like, the plane was jumping around locations, popping up in discontinuous locations. And if it WAS a dimensional thing happening, and they come up with a cover story, what'll they do if the plane 'pops back in' sometime in the near future? They'll need even more damage control.
trendsetter37
The Living Force
mkrnhr said:
Yep. Funny you say that though I just watch the movie "Philadelphia Experiment". In short they were able to recreate the supposed phenomenon. However, they also somehow managed to bring the ship from the original experiment back on accident. Guess what their (tptb) solution was? They wanted to blow it up and make it disappear. I was facepalming the entire movie but its similarities with this missing flight are kind of sobering.
Especially if their damage control consist of drastic and ill though-out actions as chronicled in the movie. It's funny in a way though....watching the ptb squirm. I guess they're not accustomed to not have total control. Annnd 'shiver' at the thought of these kinds of situations.
Mr. Premise
The Living Force
I was thinking of inter-agency rivalries and outright hatred such as the hypothesis here regarding why the CIA may have been out to get the NSA and have groomed Snowden for the op to discredit the NSA:Críostóir said:
_http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/is-edward-snowden-lying/
I think with institutions that have a long history like the ONI and the CIA and FBI, there is clearly deep seated rivalry, however much these alphabet soup agencies get mixed up on the ground. The rivalries probably map on to factions among the elite. Obviously, every STS hierarchy fosters ritual combat-like brutal competition at every level, yet in other ways they are unified.
luke wilson
The Living Force
Well, this plane was not hijacked... quite simple really.
Who is going to hijack a plane full of 239 people and make it disappear? who has those sorts of resources and willing to take such big risks? for what? and a Malaysian flight on its way to china? People say so that whoever took it can use the plane for some black ops type operation... well, surely they can just hijack a cargo plane, with uhmm, less people if they need a plane so bad... and the whole Diego Garcia thing... that would be audacious beyond all words, not to mention a humongous risk. And again, a flight between malaysia and china? Why? I have read an article about Malaysia and it's anti-empire stance and that this is meant to send a message or alternatively, it's meant to get malaysia and china at loggerheads... REALLY? and the plan they came up with was to make a whole Plane disappear, fully stocked with 239 people?
I just don't buy it. What about the phones? I heard someone mention that it is possible the hijackers picked up all the phones, then put them in a bag and dumped the bag! where though? middle of the ocean? How? why didn't they just disable all electronic gadgets?
The most likely case is that the PTB haven't got a clue, well they might know what happened as they have all the tools to track everything in the air, but they aren't going to come out and tell the rest of us if it is something that doesn't align with the propaganda they spoon feed the world.
If that plane re-appears and somehow manages to land safely in a major airport, I would absolutely love to see what story the PTB will cook up. Hopefully when it does pop back into the sky, the pilot won't commit the error of calling in hours before scheduled landing... no doubt some jets will be scrambled to deal with the plane. If this plane can get into some airspace that isn't entirely friendly with the US if/when it does appear (say Russia! - such stories just can't be scripted... shame because I would pay money to see the expression on Obamas face when he finds out), then hopefully it can be seen safely to the ground...
Who is going to hijack a plane full of 239 people and make it disappear? who has those sorts of resources and willing to take such big risks? for what? and a Malaysian flight on its way to china? People say so that whoever took it can use the plane for some black ops type operation... well, surely they can just hijack a cargo plane, with uhmm, less people if they need a plane so bad... and the whole Diego Garcia thing... that would be audacious beyond all words, not to mention a humongous risk. And again, a flight between malaysia and china? Why? I have read an article about Malaysia and it's anti-empire stance and that this is meant to send a message or alternatively, it's meant to get malaysia and china at loggerheads... REALLY? and the plan they came up with was to make a whole Plane disappear, fully stocked with 239 people?
I just don't buy it. What about the phones? I heard someone mention that it is possible the hijackers picked up all the phones, then put them in a bag and dumped the bag! where though? middle of the ocean? How? why didn't they just disable all electronic gadgets?
The most likely case is that the PTB haven't got a clue, well they might know what happened as they have all the tools to track everything in the air, but they aren't going to come out and tell the rest of us if it is something that doesn't align with the propaganda they spoon feed the world.
If that plane re-appears and somehow manages to land safely in a major airport, I would absolutely love to see what story the PTB will cook up. Hopefully when it does pop back into the sky, the pilot won't commit the error of calling in hours before scheduled landing... no doubt some jets will be scrambled to deal with the plane. If this plane can get into some airspace that isn't entirely friendly with the US if/when it does appear (say Russia! - such stories just can't be scripted... shame because I would pay money to see the expression on Obamas face when he finds out), then hopefully it can be seen safely to the ground...
This guy has got an interesting theory of how the plane could have flown into Asia undetected (go to the original to see images):
_http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68
_http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68
I doubt the hijacking story; no claims, no demands/threats.
I doubt the stories of the satellites not being able to identify the pattern of the 'pings' in flight. The satellite capabilities are more sophisticated than they admit.
The no mention of Diego Garcia base is certainly interesting but then they still deny of existence of area 51 too. If that base was complicit in any way with the disappearance then I guess it would most likely be avoided of publicity.
Losing track of the flight somewhere in the southerly direction of the Indian ocean once again brings me to question the unprecedented blackout( "Code Black" no less) in Australia's Northern Territory.When the Australians were asked for assistance they basically claimed doubt that any readings would be available as their radars were focused only north because of its operation on border patrol. Really?? The border patrol would allow such a huge blind spot in their surveillance of borders? I doubt that very much.
As for all the authorities 'appearing' baffled as reported by all the media, maybe that is deliberate. Or not. In which case it may still leave the possibility of dimensional anomaly for which there is probably no demonstrable proof, at least not that they are willing to admit or that people would understand/accept. So maybe that gives the ptb a trump card they can use as a convenient false flag or cometary strike cover up.
One really important question I do have though, is who was on board the flight or what was in the cargo that would be worth this effort.Just my take on this so far.
I doubt the stories of the satellites not being able to identify the pattern of the 'pings' in flight. The satellite capabilities are more sophisticated than they admit.
The no mention of Diego Garcia base is certainly interesting but then they still deny of existence of area 51 too. If that base was complicit in any way with the disappearance then I guess it would most likely be avoided of publicity.
Losing track of the flight somewhere in the southerly direction of the Indian ocean once again brings me to question the unprecedented blackout( "Code Black" no less) in Australia's Northern Territory.When the Australians were asked for assistance they basically claimed doubt that any readings would be available as their radars were focused only north because of its operation on border patrol. Really?? The border patrol would allow such a huge blind spot in their surveillance of borders? I doubt that very much.
As for all the authorities 'appearing' baffled as reported by all the media, maybe that is deliberate. Or not. In which case it may still leave the possibility of dimensional anomaly for which there is probably no demonstrable proof, at least not that they are willing to admit or that people would understand/accept. So maybe that gives the ptb a trump card they can use as a convenient false flag or cometary strike cover up.
One really important question I do have though, is who was on board the flight or what was in the cargo that would be worth this effort.Just my take on this so far.
Corvus
Dagobah Resident
I do not think they would have problems covering it, something like happened on 9/11 with that flight that Cs said ended up in Denver and in 4D in parts. Passangers and crew are either way caput. They probably have by now many high tech(3D/4D) or secret satelites scanning for it based on em signature if they took seriously possible implications, so if that is the case they would easily down it before it reaches any populated area and clean crash site. If it shows suddenly in populated area they will take them anyway even if there would be witnesses(if anything they say is understandable and if they did not went crazy) in airport no media coverge would be given so it would have no great impact on people. But said so I doubt it would come back as with all those cases with missing planes through history in Bermuda, not one did show, or it did but we do not know nothing about it. Even if elite is in wishfull thinking when it comes to implications then there is 4D STS ready to correct that mistake and has maybe even dealt with it or it will if something like that happens if you take into account time travel.
Or it could be other way around and they spend only seconds there and here it passed 10 years, and when they return there is no life anymore here in 3D, that is if they return. I remember when Travis Walton said he had feeling that abduction lasted for about 20 min if I remember correctly. And he was gone like for 5 days but taking maybe into account he was not consciouss all the time so possible duration is probably longer, but it does not matter in this sense.
This reminded me of what Cs said if remembered correctly about technology like HAARP and similar that is used for making transition invisible, and if when the portal is open all thoughts become reality then could it refer to people actualy creating reality the elite wants in 3D and 4D through windows that are popping out more and more in a way by getting them on their thinking and acting.
Think it has more to do with navigating for which you need to have knowledge and genes activated, as Cs said scientist can open portals but they can not navigate in current level without advice and guiding of higher levels so most people would end up nuts in best case, and there is the question if your current body not just mind could handle it.
Or it could be other way around and they spend only seconds there and here it passed 10 years, and when they return there is no life anymore here in 3D, that is if they return. I remember when Travis Walton said he had feeling that abduction lasted for about 20 min if I remember correctly. And he was gone like for 5 days but taking maybe into account he was not consciouss all the time so possible duration is probably longer, but it does not matter in this sense.
This reminded me of what Cs said if remembered correctly about technology like HAARP and similar that is used for making transition invisible, and if when the portal is open all thoughts become reality then could it refer to people actualy creating reality the elite wants in 3D and 4D through windows that are popping out more and more in a way by getting them on their thinking and acting.
Think it has more to do with navigating for which you need to have knowledge and genes activated, as Cs said scientist can open portals but they can not navigate in current level without advice and guiding of higher levels so most people would end up nuts in best case, and there is the question if your current body not just mind could handle it.
angelburst29
The Living Force
Quote from: Stellar
"One really important question I do have though, is who was on board the flight or what was in the cargo that would be worth this effort.Just my take on this so far.
"One really important question I do have though, is who was on board the flight or what was in the cargo that would be worth this effort.Just my take on this so far.
angelburst29 said: