Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine
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I think that's the first mention of any Israeli connection to the event in the Russian media. Coming so soon after the Iran deal, one wonders if that rebalancing of power in the Middle East signalled 'open season' on dishing Israel's dirt.
On July 12th (five days ago) Graham Phillips also posted the following interview with witnesses of MH17 downing on his YouTube channel (with ENG subs):
The witnesses claim that MH17 was 100% shot down by the jet planes. fwiw
The witnesses claim that MH17 was 100% shot down by the jet planes. fwiw
angelburst29
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Keit said:
With the above (bolded) statements in mind, there may be some truth to the claims in this article - even though it's coming from the Daily Mail Online?
First pictures emerge of Ukrainian pilot pro-Russian rebels claim downed MH17 killing all 298 victims on board
_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2904460/First-pictures-emerge-Ukrainian-pilot-pro-Russian-rebels-believe-downed-MH17-killing-298-victims-board.html
The Russian Investigative Committee - equivalent of the FBI - is calling for Captain Vladislav Voloshin to take a lie-detector test and face formal questioning, asserting there is compelling evidence against him which should be considered by the Dutch-led official probe.
Believed to be in his late 20s, he was named by stems from a 'secret witness' at his Dnipropetrovsk air base who says the pilot took off in his Su-17 combat jet on 17 July last year armed with air-to-air missiles.
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He returned without them soon after the Boeing 777 was blasted out of the sky, it is alleged.
After landing Voloshin was 'scared', muttering that the incoming 'aircraft' - supposedly MH17 - 'was in the wrong place at the wrong time', according to the unnamed Ukrainian serviceman, now under guard at a secret location in Russia.
The Investigative Committee, headed by Alexander Bastrykin, a former classmate of Vladimir Putin, insists that the witness has passed a polygraph test and his testimony is credible.
Volshin has not spoken directly on the loss of MH17 but denied through his superiors that he was responsible. Ukraine blames Russia for a crude propaganda stunt in naming him.
Since the horror, Moscow has repeatedly claimed that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian warplane in the skies close to the Malaysian plane, while also vigorously denying the West's analysis that it was hit by a BUK missile fired by pro-Moscow rebels.
'Let Voloshin take a lie-detector test with Dutch or Malaysian experts,' demanded Investigative Committee's spokesman Vladimir Markin.
'Representatives of the Russian Investigative Committee are ready to leave for Ukraine at short notice with all necessary equipment for testing pilot Voloshin and all others who might know anything about the crash.'
He demanded that the Ukrainian military should make a full disclosure of its flight logs on 17 July, the day MH17 was shot down, and allow Russia to interrogate its air traffic controllers.
Referring to Ukrainian secret services, he said: 'We're waiting for a response from the SBU.'
SBU official Markiyan Lubkivskyi insisted Voloshin was not engaged in combat flights on 17 July, the day MH17 was downed, and had not used weapons against aerial targets in the current conflict.
'The officer made no flights that day, and his aircraft was under repair because of damage inflicted during landing on 16 July,' he said, accusing Moscow of a bid to 'discredit' Ukraine.
Voloshin denied he had shot down MH17, and had no idea why the allegation was being taken seriously in Russia, he said.
The pilot has not spoken directly to the media over the incident.
Secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council, Oleksandr Turchynov, accused Moscow of using propaganda to 'hide the crimes organised by the Russian Federation, including against civilians' in relation to flight MH17.
He said: 'A great deal of evidence, including data from satellite observation, has proved that terrorist groups controlled by the Russian military shot down the passenger aircraft'.
They used 'a Russian BUK surface-to-air-missile system', he said.
But Moscow is now poised to give its 'whistleblower' sanctuary under its witness protection programme, so preventing him being prosecuted in Ukraine, it is understood.
'As the witness may be in danger, investigators are considering providing him with state protection,' said Markin.
He already has a pseudonym 'in the interests of his security'.
'The facts and information that the witness possessed and shared - clearly and without getting confused - convince the investigators that his testimony is truthful, something that, by the way, a polygraph test has confirmed,' said Markin.
He 'personally' saw Voloshin's warplane 'loaded with R-60 type air-to-air missiles, with which Su-25 fighters were not normally equipped'. His aircraft returned without these missiles.
Markin claimed the account supported other witnesses who testified that 'not long before the crash they saw a warplane in the air in close proximity to the passenger airliner.'
He said that 'the Investigative Committee will continue gathering and analysing all information about the disaster.
'If members of an international commission investigating the crash are indeed interested in finding out the truth and decide to request information from us, we are ready to share all available data.'
Six weeks after the MH17 crash, Voloshin's plane was shot down over eastern Ukraine. He ejected, and escaped from the rebel-held region.
He is a graduate of Kharkiv Air Force University.
Two days after the crash, he was among a number of airmen awarded the Order of Courage by Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko.
The crash killed all the 298 people on board the Boeing, which was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
Sol Logos
The Living Force
Just read front page headline claiming "undeniable proof" that Russian backed rebels shot down the MH17. The news paper article featured large video stills of the claimed proof and even big black bold headings all over the front page and a double spread inside.
One of the articles online:
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/never-before-seen-footage-reveals-russian-backed-rebels-arriving-at-the-wreckage-of-mh17/story-fnizu68q-1227444676268
I love these claims:
Right... how was it obtained, by who, to who? How is it determined which rebels? Shot down by them.. by what evidence?
Apparently the evidence is examined and presented here: http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/the-moment-russian-backed-rebels-realise-their-momentous-mistake-after-shooting-down-flight-mh17/story-fnizu68q-1227444884741
All I've seen there are more claims, some footage that may or may not be of the MH17 but nothing concrete.
One of the articles online:
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/never-before-seen-footage-reveals-russian-backed-rebels-arriving-at-the-wreckage-of-mh17/story-fnizu68q-1227444676268
I love these claims:
Right... how was it obtained, by who, to who? How is it determined which rebels? Shot down by them.. by what evidence?
Apparently the evidence is examined and presented here: http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/the-moment-russian-backed-rebels-realise-their-momentous-mistake-after-shooting-down-flight-mh17/story-fnizu68q-1227444884741
All I've seen there are more claims, some footage that may or may not be of the MH17 but nothing concrete.
alkhemst said:
Yeah, the video looks like it's from the MH17 crash site. But that has to be the most shoddiest piece of 'journalism' I've read in a long time. The video shows the militia finding the crash site, being surprised that it is a passenger jet (naturally - this is a war zone), stunned that it got clearance to fly in the area, looking through the bags, taking footage of IDs, cordoning the area from civilians. That's it. The video is highly edited, and at no point do any of them say something like, "Damn, we shot down a passenger jet."
Yeah, these new "reports" coming out (including that there's a lawsuit filed in Chicago against Igor Gurkin and Russia) seem to be, among other things, a way to distract from the new evidence being put out by the Russian side recently (including that an Israeli made air-to-air missile from an Israeli upgraded Russian jet was narrowed down as the most likely cause of the destruction of the cockpit).
Sol Logos
The Living Force
SeekinTruth said:
Or maybe it's just a way to prepare the ground for the war ramp up allowing US to justify launching a direct war on Russia (i.e. not just through their mercenaries / proxy armies)? Seems that's the ultimate goal lately, or has been for a long time by the madmen behind the scenes - but I hope it turns around and the world comes to sanity.
Just noticed this article up on sott:
http://www.sott.net/article/299134-One-year-later-no-new-evidence-suggests-MH17-shot-down-by-an-Su-25km
It is a great article, but I wondered if there is a typo in the title?
Should it be:
One year later: now new evidence suggests MH17 shot down by an Su-25km
http://www.sott.net/article/299134-One-year-later-no-new-evidence-suggests-MH17-shot-down-by-an-Su-25km
It is a great article, but I wondered if there is a typo in the title?
Should it be:
One year later: now new evidence suggests MH17 shot down by an Su-25km
Anam Cara said:
Thought so at first, but then thought maybe Joe was being cheeky, as in, all the evidence was there from the beginning!
