Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

Just finished watching a story on the MH17 incident on 60 minutes Australia http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/. They claimed to have conclusive evidence that a buk missile, fired by the separatists of course, brought the plane down. I hesitated to watch the program, but did so to see this startling evidence. Much the same story as before. The reporting on this program is laughable. How it can be considered prime time viewing is beyond me. They concluded with a close up of Putin's face, saying how he may never be held accountable for the tragedy. I'm surprised they didn't show Putin firing the missile himself.
 
will01 said:
Just finished watching a story on the MH17 incident on 60 minutes Australia http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/. They claimed to have conclusive evidence that a buk missile, fired by the separatists of course, brought the plane down. I hesitated to watch the program, but did so to see this startling evidence. Much the same story as before. The reporting on this program is laughable. How it can be considered prime time viewing is beyond me. They concluded with a close up of Putin's face, saying how he may never be held accountable for the tragedy. I'm surprised they didn't show Putin firing the missile himself.

It's completely in line with the latest developments in the Netherlands:

_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/05/06/russia-military-buk-missile-shot-down-mh17/

Cannot make heads or tails from it, but surely the propaganda machine never stops spewing distorted views wherever they can find them.
 
Palinurus said:
It's completely in line with the latest developments in the Netherlands:

_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/05/06/russia-military-buk-missile-shot-down-mh17/

Cannot make heads or tails from it, but surely the propaganda machine never stops spewing distorted views wherever they can find them.
The Netherlands is playing along with the AngloZionist / Empire of Chaos spooks. One imagines that every time someone close to the investigation even hints at revealing the truth about how MH17 was shot down, those responsible merely hiss "Olaf Palme" or "Gerald Bull", and the thought quickly dies.
 
will01 said:
Just finished watching a story on the MH17 incident on 60 minutes Australia http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/. They claimed to have conclusive evidence that a buk missile, fired by the separatists of course, brought the plane down. I hesitated to watch the program, but did so to see this startling evidence. Much the same story as before. The reporting on this program is laughable. How it can be considered prime time viewing is beyond me. They concluded with a close up of Putin's face, saying how he may never be held accountable for the tragedy. I'm surprised they didn't show Putin firing the missile himself.

SOTT now carries this debunking article:

http://www.sott.net/article/296724-Australian-television-program-uses-fake-evidence-to-blame-Russia-for-MH-17
 
Palinurus said:
will01 said:
Just finished watching a story on the MH17 incident on 60 minutes Australia http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/. They claimed to have conclusive evidence that a buk missile, fired by the separatists of course, brought the plane down. I hesitated to watch the program, but did so to see this startling evidence. Much the same story as before. The reporting on this program is laughable. How it can be considered prime time viewing is beyond me. They concluded with a close up of Putin's face, saying how he may never be held accountable for the tragedy. I'm surprised they didn't show Putin firing the missile himself.

SOTT now carries this debunking article:

http://www.sott.net/article/296724-Australian-television-program-uses-fake-evidence-to-blame-Russia-for-MH-17

Looks like the propaganda machine is in full bloom again, smearing Putin. The New York Post put out a hit piece and it's making the rounds on Yahoo News. Russia might have held another popularity vote and President Putin is probably in the 90 percentile?

More pregnancy rumors after Putin’s girlfriend seen looking heavier
_http://nypost.com/2015/05/20/more-pregnancy-rumors-after-putins-girlfriend-seen-looking-heavier/
 
Palinurus said:
will01 said:
Just finished watching a story on the MH17 incident on 60 minutes Australia http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/. They claimed to have conclusive evidence that a buk missile, fired by the separatists of course, brought the plane down. I hesitated to watch the program, but did so to see this startling evidence. Much the same story as before. The reporting on this program is laughable. How it can be considered prime time viewing is beyond me. They concluded with a close up of Putin's face, saying how he may never be held accountable for the tragedy. I'm surprised they didn't show Putin firing the missile himself.

SOTT now carries this debunking article:

http://www.sott.net/article/296724-Australian-television-program-uses-fake-evidence-to-blame-Russia-for-MH-17

Thanks Palinurus, the article is a good response to the woeful tv program. It will be interesting to see people's responses in the letters section of 60 minutes next week, if they do show any criticism of their report.
 
Guess the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense forgot to sanitize their own website?

Twitter users found an announcement on the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense website detailing the transfer of a Buk-M1 system to the Ukrainian military over a month before the MH17 disaster.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150607/1023057320.html

June 7, 2015 - Twitter users found a June 6, 2014 announcement on the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense website (archived copy) detailing the handover of a Buk-M1 surface-to-air missile system to Ukraine's military from a Kharkov repair facility.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's advisor denied on Thursday that Ukraine possessed any Buk-M1 systems at the time of the July 17, 2014 Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash. On Tuesday, surface-to-air missile system manufacturer Almaz-Antey presented a report which indicated that a Buk-M1 missile, operated by the Ukrainian military, was likely responsible for the disaster.

"The first Buk-M1 surface-to-air missile system repaired in Ukraine will enter combat duty as soon as possible. The signing of the act to accept the system from repairs shows that domestic industry has mastered repairing surface-to-air systems of this type," the Ukrainian surface-to-air missile forces commander, Major General Dmitro Karpenko told the publication.

The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense website also details that this was the first Buk-M1 missile system repaired in Ukraine.

"The difficulty was in that unlike many other types of weapons and military equipment, the surface-to-air missile system of this type has never been developed, manufactured or repaired in Ukraine before," the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense website said.

On Friday, a Russian Ministry of Defense representative said that the Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko advisor's statement was "completely absurd," adding that "Such outright lying by a high-ranking official is simply inappropriate."
 
My apologies since my post is not about flight 17, but concerns MH370. The one that's not been found.

I came upon THIS this morning. And I nearly gagged on my coffee. Some of these "academics" are prostitutes really. Putting out this garbage.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3118002/Did-MH370-pilot-fly-ocean-perfect-nose-dive-New-theory-suggests-entering-water-90-degrees-kept-plane-intact.html
 
Another close call with a Malaysian Airlines flight. Is "someone" gunning for them?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3121027/Malaysia-Airlines-plane-makes-emergency-landing-Melbourne-engine-bursts-flames-route-Kuala-Lumpur.html
 
Interesting development:

Malaysian Pressure Forces MH17 Investigation to UN
http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/malaysian-pressure-forces-mh17-investigation-to-un/

Malaysia, frustrated by the refusal of the official international investigation-team to produce any clear evidence yet of whom to blame for the downing of the MH17 Malaysian airliner over the Ukrainian civil-war zone on 17 July 2014, has finally forced the team to request the UN to investigate. They’ve forced the original four nations on the team to accept UN adjudication of any final report. This will enable a court-proceeding to make the ultimate determination of guilt (upon which judgment penalties and compensation will be assessed), and this court-determination would inevitably allow whatever party is being blamed by the five-member official investigating team, to present its own evidence in the case, so that the court will make the ultimate determination — the official investigating team will not be performing that crucial judgmental function.

Malaysia was long prohibited from even participating in this investigational team, but on 5 November 2014, a deal was finally reached with the four nations that did comprise the team — four U.S. allies: Netherlands, Australia, Belgium, and (a suspect in possibly having downed the MH17) Ukraine itself (though it had lost none of its citizens in the disaster) — so, the next day, Malaysia’s New Straits Times headlined “Malaysia to join MH17 criminal probe team,” and reported that, “The prime minister said the country had been invited to play a bigger role in the recovery and investigation of the ill-fated aircraft, believed to have been downed by a missile over eastern Ukraine on July 17.” The Malaysian report went on then, pointedly, to note: “In July, the Dutch and Ukrainian authorities agreed that the bulk of the operations would be carried out by the Netherlands, with assistance from countries whose citizens were on board the flight. Malaysia had repeatedly asked to be part of the joint investigation team, currently comprising investigators from the Netherlands, Belgium, Australia and Ukraine.” Implicitly, that phrase “Malaysia had repeatedly asked to be part of the investigating team” said that Malaysia had consistently been refused membership until 5 November 2014. In fact, even by late November of 2014, Malaysia continued to be refused membership, and I headlined on November 30th, “Malaysia Becomes Angry About Exclusion from MH17 Investigation.” That refusal was especially outrageous because, like three of the four nations that already were on the team, Malaysia had lost (44) citizens from the downing. But in addition, Malaysia had lost the plane, from it. There was no excuse for the four pro-Western nations to exclude Malaysia, and for their limiting the investigating-team to only Ukraine (a key suspect in the downing) and three of its allies. And, between November and now, Malaysia has finally become so fed-up with the team’s continuing refusal to act, and to declare the culprit, so that the rest of the team finally consented to Malaysia’s demand to transfer the investigation over to the UN.
 
Thanks for finding and posting this new development, angelburst29.

It seems to tie in with recent moves over here in the Netherlands to set up an international tribunal to do 'justice' over MH17 disaster:

_http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/24/us-ukraine-crisis-mh-idUSKBN0P326E20150624
_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/06/24/netherlands-wants-intl-tribunal-to-handle-mh17-hearings/
_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/06/25/lawyers-mh17-war-tribunal-a-bad-idea/

AFAIK, the Russian side has rejected this suggestion right away:

_http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/26/russia-rejects-calls-for-un-tribunal-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17
_http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/russian-official-says/1943564.html
 
From: _http://onderzoeksraad.nl/en/onderzoek/2049/investigation-crash-mh17-17-july-2014/inzage/1643/progress-of-the-mh17-investigation

The Dutch Safety Board has reported on the progress of the investigation into the MH17 crash to the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO ). Such a report is required by Article 6.6 of ICAO Annex 13, which obligates the Dutch Safety Board to release an interim statement one year after the occurrence. In this interim statement, the Dutch Safety Board briefly clarifies which steps have been taken in the past year and when the final reports are expected to be published.

Below is the full text, which was sent to ICAO on 1 July 2015.

Progress of the MH17 Investigation
The Dutch Safety Board is investigating the crash of flight MH17, which happened on Thursday, 17 July 2014, in the Donetsk area (Ukraine). The Board is making every effort to give as clear a picture as possible of the cause of the crash. With 17 July 2015 coming up soon, a year after the crash, the Dutch Safety Board is reporting on the progress of the investigation in accordance with Article 6.6 of Annex 13 to the convention on International Civil Aviation.

The investigation is being carried out on the basis of the standards and recommended practices as described in the aforementioned ICAO Annex 13. The State in which the incident occurred (Ukraine) has delegated the investigation to the Dutch Safety Board. The Dutch Safety Board is therefore in charge of the investigation and directs the international team of investigators. The investigation team is composed of specialists from Malaysia, Ukraine, the United States, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, Australia and the Netherlands.

In addition to the international investigation into the cause of the crash, the Dutch Safety Board is also investigating the decision-making process pertaining to safety when determining flight routes, as well as the availability of passenger information.

The Dutch Safety Board published a preliminary report containing its first findings regarding the crash of flight MH17 on Tuesday, 9 September 2014. The preliminary report contains the initial data from the investigation into the cause of the crash based on the sources that were available to the Dutch Safety Board.

The draft final reports on the investigation into the crash and the investigation pertaining to flight routes were made available to the accredited representatives of the participating States on Tuesday, 2 June. In accordance with ICAO Annex 13, they have sixty days to submit comments on the reports. The Dutch Safety Board will then assess the submitted comments and draw up the definitive final reports. The consultation period the investigation into the availability of passenger information has ended. The Board expects to publish the final reports in the first half of October 2015.

The Russian side seems to have already vented criticisms according to NOS newssite (in Dutch):

Google translate said:
Criticism of Russia on draft reports MH17

Today, 21:27 Interior

The two draft reports on the cause of the disaster with the MH17 raise more questions than they provide answers, say aviation authorities in Moscow. Reports anything but give a complete picture of what happened last July in Ukraine, critics say.

The Dutch Safety Board (OVV) sent last month, concepts of two final reports on flight MH17 to fellow researchers in the countries concerned for comment. Apart from Russia, the documents also went to Malaysia, Ukraine, the US, Britain and Australia.

Objections

The Russian Council for aviation questioned both the technical data and the arguments in the report. "Our specialists have developed a whole series of objections," said the spokesman of the council.

He said he hoped that all comments will be incorporated into the final report and all questions are answered. The Dutch Safety Board believes that the final reports are ready in October.

Unknown

The Safety Board has not disclosed what is in the draft reports. Circulate two scenarios about the cause of the crash.

According to Moscow, Ukrainian soldiers or militia unit over eastern Ukraine downed by a missile. The other countries involved think that Russian troops or pro-Russian separatists have a BUK missile fired at the passenger plane.

The disaster MH17 on 17 July last year took in 298 people killed, including 196 Dutch.

Link: _https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=nl&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnos.nl%2Fartikel%2F2044824-kritiek-uit-rusland-op-conceptrapporten-mh17.html
 
This article from Global Research, gives some details, of the problems involved in the investigation.

The MH17 Airline Crash: Methodology of an International Cover-Up
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mh17-airline-crash-methodology-of-an-international-cover-up/5460126

On June 5, 2015 the Russian Foreign Minster Sergey Lavrov met his Dutch counterpart in Moscow to discuss “efforts to prosecute suspects in the downing of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777-200 on Flight MAS MH17from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.” Dutch Foreign Minister Koenders would state that “the discussions had not been easy but needed to happen”.

The Dutch Safety Board (DSB) was assigned the lead role in the investigation of the crash that plunged all 298 passengers and crew on board the Boeing 777-200 to their death in eastern Ukraine. Reasons cited for assigning the lead role to the DSB were that the majority of souls on board that Malaysian plane were Dutch citizens and that Ukraine was a belligerent party to the civil war in that country.

The DSB had previously published an intermediate report in which it stated that the airliner had been struck by high-velocity objects. These objects reportedly struck the fuselage from the outside. On June 7, 2015, the DSB published a statement about a meeting of investigators from Ukraine, Malaysia, the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, the Netherlands and the Russian Federation. The statement read:


This afternoon, the team of international aviation investigators who investigate the cause of the crash of flight MH17 concluded an investigation meeting at Gilze Rijen air force base. During the team’s first meeting (at the end of February) the members shared the findings of the investigation as a whole on the preliminary results of the forensic investigation. The participants also received further details on the work carried out to reconstruct the aircraft. The meeting is part of the procedure for international aviation investigations as laid down by the ICAO Convention. During the meeting, good progress has been made.

The DSB also reiterated its commitment to prosecute those responsible while stressing that it will be legally and politically challenging to put foreign suspects on trial.

The Firewall against Transparency.

Numerous journalists, the author included, have made considerable efforts to elicit independently verifiable evidence from all of the involved parties. This includes mails and phone calls to relevant ministries in Ukraine, the USA, UK, Russia, Australia, Malaysia, and the Dutch Safety Board in The Netherlands.

All requests to provide independently verifiable data have remained unanswered. That includes requests for a certified copy of radar data released by the Russian Ministry of Defense, certified copies of communications between Ukrainian Air Traffic Controllers and the flight crew on board the downed Boeing 777-200, and not least a certified copy of the Comma Separated Variable (CSV) file from the downed Boeing 777-200’s flight data recorder.

To mention but a few examples that demonstrate the significance of the need for full transparency. The DSB published a “transcript” of ATC – Flight Crew communications. Investigative journalists have, in other words, no possibility to see whether the audio has been tempered with or for that sake, if the voices even are consistent with those of the flight crew.

Dennis Cimino, an expert on Flight Data Recorders discovered that a FOIA request pertaining the flight data recorder data from American Airlines Flight 77 on September 11, 2001 were from a “bench unit”.

That is, the data had been falsified – to say the very least. Journalists and the international flying public are expected to “take the DSB’s word for that it works independently and follows professional standards, ICAO guidelines and ethical standards”.

The radar data that were released by the Russian Ministry of Defense could as well have been computer generated after the fact. What independent journalists have to demand is access to certified, independently testable data that would stand up in a court of law.

The Anatomy of the Firewall.

One might be puzzled by the fact that all inquiries including freedom of information requests are being stonewalled by all of the ministries and authorities from all of the countries who are part of the investigative team.

The explanation for this is extremely simple, but it raises extremely complex problems. The key lies in the fact that the DSB is the lead investigative authority, in Dutch law, and the fact that Ukraine, Russia, Australia, Malaysia, the USA, the UK, and the Netherlands all are parties to the investigative team and bound by Dutch legislation.

Sara Vernooij from the Dutch Safety Board implicitly provided the key to the puzzling question why non of the involved parties is forthcoming with regards to independently testable and verifiable data end evidence by stating to the author:


The Dutch Safety Board is financed from the national budget via the Department of Security and Justice, but national legislation guarantees the Dutch safety Boards independence. The department has no access to the investigations conducted by the Board and the department cannot influence the investigations….

The investigation information is protected by Dutch law (Dutch Kingdom Act) . This act determines that only the information issued in the Final Reports is public, sources and files containing investigation information are not publicly accessible. In case of the investigation into the cause of the MH17 crash, the Dutch Safety Board works by the international ICAO agreement, annex 13. (emphasis added)

In the Netherlands it is possible to register a WOB (Open Government Act) with the body involved. But I point out the fact that the Kingdom Act concerning the Dutch Safety Board excludes investigation information from the WOB. There is no possibility to get any access to investigation information by the Dutch Safety Board if you are not a member of the investigation team. (emphasis added)

By implication, and due to the fact that the governments of Australia, Ukraine, USA, the UK, Malaysia and Russia have delegated investigators and become party to the DSB-led investigation, they have thus agreed to work within the framework of the Kingdom Act. That is – no independently testable and verifiable information will be made available to the public.

All that investigative journalists can do is to encourage whistle-blowers from within the relevant ministries and other authorities in Australia, Malaysia, Russia, Ukraine, USA and The Netherlands to show the integrity that the worldwide flying public should be entitled to expect from all of the involved parties.

Unprecedented tragedies like the downing of MH17 require unprecedented initiative, integrity and courage. Without the possibility for independent media to have independent experts test the validity of alleged “evidence” there is no transparency at all. Period!
 
Remarkable article by Eric Zuesse carried on SOTT today: http://www.sott.net/article/298834-Wikipedia-as-propaganda-not-history-MH17-as-an-example

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What's especially wrong about the wikipedia account is that it doesn't even refer to the 30mm bullet holes in that side panel — evidence that is inconsistent with the U.S.-Ukrainian account (wikipedia's account) of how this airliner was shot down. (Wikipedia's article is instead obsessed with "a Buk missile launcher" — the theory of the case that's pumped by America's and Ukraine's governments, and which is entirely inconsistent with such bullet-holes. You don't get bullet-holes from 33,000+ feet away.)

And the wikipedia article also doesn't refer to Peter Haisenko, the brilliant former Luftahansa pilot who first pointed out those bullet holes in the side-panel, and who noted that there wouldn't be any, much less hundreds of, bullet-holes firing directly into the pilot's body, if the only thing that had brought down this airliner were shrapnel from some missile fired from 33,000 feet below.

You simply can't target the pilot's belly and pump perhaps a thousand bullets into it from 33,000 feet down. This side-panel decimates the American-Ukrainian theory of the case — and so decimates wikipedia's propagandistic article.

And why wasn't the autopsy on the pilot made public? Everyone needs to know what was inside that corpse. But wikipedia and the 'news' media show no interest in that crucial question, either.

We don't live in a democracy. This is a dictatorship. The 'news' media cannot be trusted by any intelligent and open-minded person. To find the truth, one (unfortunately) needs to investigate on one's own and take the attitude that only the most solid evidence and the least speculative argument constitutes authentic history, on anything.

All else — any casual trusting of the 'news' media — is merely accepting lies and myths, which are designed to manipulate people (like when we invaded Iraq), instead of to inform them. There is more than ample reason to distrust the 'news' media. And wikipedia is just as manipulated as the rest.

We live now in a culture where lies and myths drown out truth. In other words: we live in a dictatorship. That's today's USA. This is the reality, in which we live.

And the Big Lie is: it's not so. But the evidence sadly proves: it's so; it clearly is the case.
(hyper-links omitted)

Wikipedia article: _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
 
CNN reports today on the suspected outcome of the international investigation:

First on CNN: Sources say MH17 report blames Russian missile for shooting down plane

By Rene Marsh, CNN Aviation and Governmental Regulation Correspondent
Updated 1602 GMT (2302 HKT) July 15, 2015

(CNN) It's been nearly one year since 298 people were killed after a commercial passenger plane broke up over the Ukraine.

U.S. officials concluded Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was struck by a missile and shot out of the sky. A final report from investigators has yet to be released but CNN has learned new details from the draft investigative report for the July 17, 2014 incident.

Dutch accident investigators say that evidence points to pro-Russian rebels as being responsible for shooting down MH-17, according to a source who has seen the report.

The Malaysian Airlines flight went down in the Donetsk area of Ukraine. According to two sources with knowledge of the investigation, a draft of an investigative report authored by the Dutch Safety Board, the lead agency in the investigation, has been distributed for review to numerous agencies around the world including the National Transportation Safety Board, Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing.

The draft investigative report is several hundred pages long. According to one source close to the investigation the draft report included the exact type of missile used to bring down MH17 and the trajectory of the missile.

Another source with knowledge of the report's details says it gives a minute by minute timeline of flight MH17. This source also says not only does the draft report pinpoint where the missile was fired from it identifies who was in control of the territory and pins the downing of MH17 on the pro-Russian rebels.

According to both sources, the report also pins some blame on Malaysia Airlines for how its planes were dispatched that day.

Some airlines were avoiding the conflict zone. According to the report Malaysia Airlines was not reading other countries' notice to airmen or NOTAMs and it continued to fly over the zone. Notice to airmen or NOTAMs are written notifications issued to pilots before a flight, advising them of circumstances relating to the state of flying, and those notifications can include warnings of potential dangers like conflict zones.

U.S. Airline Carriers for example make decisions about where to fly and where not to fly based on notice to airmen (NOTAMs) that different countries issue to their pilots. If for example, based on intelligence, Britain warned its pilots to avoid flying over a certain country U.S. Carriers would read and consider those warnings and decide if they too will avoid the area.

The Dutch Safety Board is investigating the crash of flight MH17 but it is also investigating the decision-making process pertaining to safety when determining flight routes.

Dutch investigators say in their report that because Malaysia airlines didn't review other countries' warnings it was unaware of conflict zones other airlines were avoiding. Sources who have seen the report say the Dutch Safety Board suggests Malaysia Airlines didn't have a robust system like other carriers.

The NTSB leads the group of accredited representatives in the investigation which also includes FAA and Boeing.

The standard process under international aviation law (ICAO annex 13) is to allow investigative parties to review the draft report to look for inaccuracies or any other discrepancies. Agencies like the NTSB will submit suggested changes/comments on behalf of its agency as well as FAA. The NTSB is currently in its final stages of putting together comments.

The final report is expected to be competed and published in the first half of October 2015.

CNN has requested comment from the NTSB, FAA, Boeing and the Dutch Safety Board.

CNN has also attempted to reach representatives for Malaysia Airlines.

In an email an FAA spokeswoman said the agency could not comment.

The Dutch safety board told CNN "we will not comment on the confidential draft final report" and the NTSB said in an email "The NTSB does not comment on an investigation that the Board is not the lead investigative agency."

Sources:

_http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/15/politics/mh17-pro-russian-missile-crash-ukraine/index.html
_http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/07/mh17-evidence-points-to-pro-russian-rebels-source-tells-cnn/
_http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/07/15/report-blames-mh17-downing-on-pro-russian-separatists-cnn/
 
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