Masculinity in crisis

psychegram

The Living Force

Had my eye on this issue for a while. My take: it's a combination of the demasulinization of young men, both biologically and culturally, which makes them less attractive; the defeminization of young women, which makes them less worth pursuing; and the rise of dating apps and hookup culture, which prioritize physical attractiveness over all else and enable female hypergamy (80% of women going for the top 20% of men).

It's a vicious circle. Women are less attractive - fatter, more abrasive - making men less interested in chasing them; so men don't improve themselves, lacking incentive to do so; which makes them less attractive to women, meaning women don't have incentive to make themselves attractive; and on it goes....
 

psychegram

The Living Force
This short volume was just published a couple of days ago, "Masculinity Amidst Madness" by Ryan Landry, editor of The American Sun. I'm almost finished. It's pretty good so far, essentially a Cliff's Notes guide to the essentials of being a man, written for a generation of men who grew up without fathers, in a society that abuses them for "toxic masculinity" and wants them to be weak and docile.

It apparently went to Number 1 in philosophy overnight; there's a real hunger for this kind of information. A lot of lost boys out there.

https://www.amazon.com/Masculinity-Amidst-Madness-Ryan-Landry/dp/1951897145/ref=mp_s_a_1_1

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Corvus

Jedi Council Member
Had my eye on this issue for a while. My take: it's a combination of the demasulinization of young men, both biologically and culturally, which makes them less attractive; the defeminization of young women, which makes them less worth pursuing; and the rise of dating apps and hookup culture, which prioritize physical attractiveness over all else and enable female hypergamy (80% of women going for the top 20% of men).

It's a vicious circle. Women are less attractive - fatter, more abrasive - making men less interested in chasing them; so men don't improve themselves, lacking incentive to do so; which makes them less attractive to women, meaning women don't have incentive to make themselves attractive; and on it goes....

It seems like a depopulation agenda, and the division between the sexes to rule them more easily, and to make men passive and docile for the same goal. I see that in the west because of rampant feminism and narcissism many men say they are going their own way and dumping women altogether.
In the east it is more about the money and materialism for women if the countries are poorer, it is all for self interest, and the narcissism is also skyrocketing high, many of those women that are average or under average, or older looking by their criteria are looking for same thing, that is somekind of perfection and they should first look in the mirror themselves. It is not about compromise but only about themselves and their wishes being met.
 

psychegram

The Living Force
It seems like a depopulation agenda, and the division between the sexes to rule them more easily, and to make men passive and docile for the same goal. I see that in the west because of rampant feminism and narcissism many men say they are going their own way and dumping women altogether.
In the east it is more about the money and materialism for women if the countries are poorer, it is all for self interest, and the narcissism is also skyrocketing high, many of those women that are average or under average, or older looking by their criteria are looking for same thing, that is somekind of perfection and they should first look in the mirror themselves. It is not about compromise but only about themselves and their wishes being met.

Depopulation is certainly part of it. It also creates a lot of lonely, miserable, atomized people, who are far easier to control and feed off of.

Under ordinary circumstances, a situation in which a substantial fraction of young men were finding it impossible to find a mate would be explosive. So I think there's also a connection there to the vast effort expended on getting men to be passive and docile, and addicted to porn, drugs, and video games.
 

Persej

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
I'm not sure that he doesn't believe it (that we're being domesticated). It is a safe way for him to put forward the concept.

He says that he doesn't believe in it because on this planet we have this big battle between West and Russia, so apparently there is no such thing as One World Government and hence there is no such thing as alien agenda driving the governments on this planet.

But even the C's said that there are conflicting forces among the PTB. So it's very difficult to comprehend what is really going on here, even for a smart and open guy such as Tim.
 

Saman

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Why Young Adults, Especially Men, Are Having Sex Less Frequently
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One more reason to consider, adding to the above list of possible/probable reasons as to why some young adults, especially men, are choosing to have sex less frequently, was mentioned by C's back in November 6, 1994:

November 6, 1994

Frank and Laura
[...]
Q: (L) Now, I was just reading in "Bringers of the Dawn" about male energy and female energy and it says: "We have said that the male vibration will transform in a very short period of time. We will not tell you why or how because some of you will consider it to be entirely too ominous, however, we will say that as the waves continue to come there will be a unilateral rising of consciousness within the population. At a certain point, when men are in the deepest point of mastering feeling, the feeling center will be activated. This will either occur gently or it will be blown wide open." What will be "entirely too ominous?"

A: Energy redirection.

Q: (L) Energy direction is going to happen and that is what you are saying is the ominous thing here?

A: Overview.

Q: (L) Well, what does energy direction specifically mean? What kind of energy?

A: Sexual.

Q: (L) And this is going to be the ominous event that would frighten people?

A: Repercussions.

Q: (L) What are the repercussions?

A: Many.

Q: (L) Could you tell us some of them?

A: First you must figure out answer to number one.

Q: (L) Well, sexual energy "redirected"; does this mean women will stop having sex with men?

A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) Am I close?

A: Yes. Men will lose most of their drive in favor of more spiritual pursuits. It is the sex drive that is at the root of most of the historical aggression and lack of feeling on the part of the male.

Q: (L) Can we tell others?

A: Might cause turmoil but up to you.

Q: (L) I noticed that at about the same time I began meditating heavily that my drive plummeted. Is this because of the meditation?

A: Yes. Females will lose some drive too. But how will humans react to this, that is the question. Will they be prepared?

Q: (L) Does this mean that everybody is going to lose interest in sex?

A: Will have much less and must learn to relate to each other more spiritually.

Q: (L) Is this because one of the major drives of the human being is for contact and, up to now, this has been manifested through sexual union and without the sexual urge they will be forced to find other ways to relate?

A: One would hope so. You are all moving toward 4th level which is less physical thus you must learn this existence in order to pass through into the 4th level.

Q: (L) And those who do not learn will not pass, is that correct?

A: Yes. Some will be relieved. It depends upon how advanced one is.

Q: (L) I have drawn a sort of conclusion about some of the activities of the Lizzies and their abductions through the Grays and so forth, and it seems to me that these excessive numbers of exams, gynecological, reproductive or whatever exams might possibly be a screen for a process that is used to extract life force or energy from the human being, through the basal chakra, the sexual chakra, as I understand where the life force enters in. Is this idea correct or on track?

A: Close.

Q: (L) It does seem that the Grays and Lizzies are abnormally interested in sexual activities of human beings, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why are they so inordinately interested in this and why do they practice sex, sexual aberrations, or do they have a tremendous sex drive even though they are fourth density beings?

A: Too many questions; one at a time.

Q: (L) Do they have tremendous sex drives even though they are in fourth density?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are they interested in sexual energy simply because it is life force?

A: Partly and also desperately to stave off change in order to retain control.

Q: (L) What changes are they desperate to stave off?

A: To 4th level.

Q: (L) They are trying to stave off the 4th level change. Can they do that?

A: No. Also hoping to retain control even if change occurs.
 

etezete

Jedi Council Member
I assume that this might be something the C's called "more crazyness to come". The Hashtag #allmaletreesaretrash already tells it all. The article is in german.
The headline:
In vielen Städten stehen vor allem männliche Bäume. Das ist ein Problem. Besonders für Allergiker und alle, die etwas gegen Sexismus haben.
translated by deepL:
In many cities, the trees are mainly male. That is a problem. Especially for people with allergies and those who have something against sexism.

far left newspaper article against male trees

the article:
Masculinity can be problematic, toxic: dominance behaviour, exclusionary power structures, the assumption that everything that is not male should be subordinate. Masculinity is particularly problematic when it occurs collectively. Many of us men have recognized this. Things are only slowly changing. At least we're talking about it.

But what about trees? We've learned that..: They talk too. This goes beyond scent messages and mushrooms, which run through the ground like a kind of fiberglass net. Some believe trees even have a memory. A tree expert told the Osnabrücker Zeitung: Trees have their own problems. They can solve them together. I say: trees have at least one problem that we have too, and that is sexism, botanical sexism. Do trees talk about it? Or is what they're doing down there in the ground some kind of loose room talk?

It is often the case that discourses spill over from the USA to Germany. That's the same here. The US-American gardener Tom Ogren has created the theoretical basis and found out We humans are to blame for sexism, even botanical sexism, and we suffer from it.

One day Ogren went for a walk in Sacramento, California. The weather was certainly good, and Ogren, whose wife suffers from asthma and bad hay fever, looked at the trees. Startled, he stopped (perhaps) and realized: All men!

The thing about trees is that they can be male, female or both. Female blossoms turn into fruits, male blossoms take care of pollination.

Ogren researched: In the 1940s, the US Department of Agriculture recommended planting mainly male trees in cities because they made less rubbish (i.e. seeds and fruit) - easier to clean up the streets. Especially after the great Dutch elm disease at the end of the 1960s, the empty spaces were filled with male trees.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

If you ask me, the article shows clearly the lefts problem to acknowledge what nature truely is. They cannot see it through their veil of ideology. But if you are able to open your eyes you will realize that nature is by no means nitpicking, it is lavish, gives in abundance - and it works out. They don't see this.

And another thing to read from the article: The unwillingness to look for causes. Not once the question WHY so many peeps are allergic to pollen, just the simple fact that they are justifies killing all male trees for them. Which is a craziness in itself I do not need to explain.
 

Persej

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
One more reason to consider, adding to the above list of possible/probable reasons as to why some young adults, especially men, are choosing to have sex less frequently, was mentioned by C's back in November 6, 1994:

Well, considering what we now know about alien agenda regarding the humanity, and in particular masculinity, we can perhaps view that session in a new light. Since the aliens want to domesticate the males, and aggression is connected to sexuality, it makes sense that they would want to mess around with male sexuality and destroy normal male development.
 

Saman

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Well, considering what we now know about alien agenda regarding the humanity, and in particular masculinity, we can perhaps view that session in a new light. Since the aliens want to domesticate the males, and aggression is connected to sexuality, it makes sense that they would want to mess around with male sexuality and destroy normal male development.

Exactly. And this what I think they have been doing with all this ideological gender pronoun nonsense and influences from above to make men addicted to porn, video games, and not learn how to socialize normally with women. To stave off this change that C's are talking about.
This redirection of sexual energy is very complex I think. And I don't think one shoe fits all; however, I think Ouspensky had some interesting ideas about. To summarize what I remember from many years where I read it somewhere in one of his books, he talks about the notions of infra-sex, normal-sex, and supra-sex, or so if I recall correctly. Now in light of some thoughts yesterday and today, I think we can summarize his ideas like this:

The redirection of sexual energy from infra-sex to normal-sex happens through conscious suffering. The redirection of sexual energy from normal-sex to supra-sex, "supra" I think relating to what the C's are talking about in the Nov 6, 1994 session, relates to what the C's have talked about in various other sessions here and there about the notion of "natural progression." An this latter notion I think relates to what they talk about the idea of the human race moving towards 4D. However, there is a catch22 here again: yes humanity is naturally moving towards this 4D state, but that is only half the equation. The other half is if some in humanity are advanced enough to know how to cowabunga and "catch" the ongoing Wave, and if not they are yet ready for 4D and will go "under". So by giving their just due to personal infra-sex events within and in society as a whole as much as possible, I think this pushed down agenda by 4D STS for us here in 3D STS reality, full of porn, gender pronouns, sexism, this, that, etc., etc. to normal-sex through conscious suffering is half of what I think is most important part in this whole energy redirection process. Because when one is consciously choosing to suffer, the choice comes as part of who you are, what you see, and what you want to BE. So I think the supra-part will just happen through the natural progression or say through "God" through us, whenever that may be, and if we learn to just BE.
 

Saman

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Exactly. And this what I think they have been doing with all this ideological gender pronoun nonsense and influences from above to make men addicted to porn, video games, and not learn how to socialize normally with women. To stave off this change that C's are talking about.
This redirection of sexual energy is very complex I think. And I don't think one shoe fits all; however, I think Ouspensky had some interesting ideas about [it]. To summarize what I remember from many years where I read it somewhere in one of his books, he talks about the notions of infra-sex, normal-sex, and supra-sex, or so if I recall correctly. Now in light of some thoughts yesterday and today, I think we can summarize his ideas like this:

The redirection of sexual energy from infra-sex to normal-sex happens through conscious suffering. The redirection of sexual energy from normal-sex to supra-sex, "supra" I think relating to what the C's are talking about in the Nov 6, 1994 session, relates to what the C's have talked about in various other sessions here and there about the notion of "natural progression." An this latter notion I think relates to what they talk about the idea of the human race moving towards 4D. However, there is a catch22 here again: yes humanity is naturally moving towards this 4D state, but that is only half the equation. The other half is if some in humanity are advanced enough to know how to cowabunga and "catch" the ongoing Wave, and if not they are [not] yet ready for 4D and will go "under". So by giving their just due to personal infra-sex events within and in society as a whole as much as possible, I think this pushed down agenda by 4D STS for us here in 3D STS reality, full of porn, gender pronouns, sexism, this, that, etc., etc. to normal-sex through conscious suffering is half of what I think is most important part in this whole energy redirection process. Because when one is consciously choosing to suffer, the choice comes as part of who you are, what you see, and what you want to BE. So I think the supra-part will just happen through the natural progression or say through "God" through us, whenever that may be, and if we learn to just BE.

Also to add to the idea of conscious suffering and moving towards "normal-sex" above, I really think it all relates to what Warren Farrell and Jordan Peterson have talked about in learning about the process of "delayed gratification" which you posted a very informative video about it. And for that I would like to personally say thank you from the "heart."
 

Saman

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
On a lighter note, way back in the day, I used to watch this anime series called Dragon Ball Z and found it fun to watch and interesting. Today I wanted to revisit a scene that I remembered that I liked in the past to see if it was an example of "righteous anger" or not within the specific context of what Gohan was up against vs Cell: complete annihilation of the earth and everyone he loved on it. However, not being able to make up my mind as to whether or not Gohan has simply being manipulated by Cell to emotionally choose to "fight fire with fire" in the context of this scene rather than finding another more enlightened 'gentle/dove-wise/serpent' option (and for those no don't know this character, he is relatively a very gentle soul compared to all the rest of the characters), I came across this same scene from the Dragon Ball Z Abridged version with the "Abridged" being a parodist version of series.

Check out what Android number 16 tells Gohan in the original version and than compare it to the Abridged version which made me laugh out loud because it seems more true in the context of what JP talks about in learning about the Shadow Self/the Monster within so that you can learn to act more assertively in everyday life rather than act like a "be nice" pacifistic turn-the-other-cheek "bunny", and instead, by learning to control and not become emotionally possessed by evoked negative emotions of the Monster/"it" within in order to actualize being an assertive virtuous like Warrior: one who is able to set boundaries both within and without; or say within, draw-the-line-on-the-ground spiritually so to speak and mean it by firmly saying no to STS influences, and at the same time and depending on the situation in external everyday life (and not like this over the top dramatic do-or-die Gohan scene example) setup some strategic boundaries at home or work to aid himself/herself in conserving energy and working towards the STO path as much as individually and humanly possible in ALL the dynamics of their relationships:

Here is the original with English subtitle:

And this is the Abridged version: :rotfl:

What do you guys think? Is the original a close good example of masculine "righteous anger" or just a juneville "super power seeking" boyish wishful fantasy? Or as I am currently thinking, the second version is psychology more spot on in terms of what Android 16 is bluntly telling Gohan? lol
 

Saman

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FOTCM Member
What do you guys think? Is the original a close good example of masculine "righteous anger" or just a juvenile "super power seeking" boyish wishful fantasy? Or as I am currently thinking, the second version is psychology more spot on in terms of what Android 16 is bluntly telling Gohan? lol


After watching this other version again tonight, which I thought at the time of original post above that it was too long due to the merging of the ALL various versions of this scenes into one video, with the parody version at the very end and the original at the very beginning, I have changed my indecisive mind from before to the following: Now I think both aforementioned versions of this scene are contextually true forms of righteous anger; however, I think just slightly different. What I mean is, in the original version, I think Gohan is not really at this point a "man child" within but more like a "young man" because he has already chosen to work hard and train with his father to achieve Super Saiyan level one in order to join the fight to defend the earth from Cell; however, he has still not yet mastered greater control of his own monster within at this point due to the fear that the releasing of the full negative energy of his anger might possess him and cause him to harm the very ones he loves and actually trying to protect from Cell. Also I think he has not yet let go of the idea that in some similar self dense type situation such as this one, when it actually concerns the self defense of all on the planet and not just the self, it is not a sin to kill if there is no other way to stop a heartless psychopathic beast. But this time, due to Android 16's consoling and insightful words, he let go of the fear of his own powers and to choose to fully release them to defend the lives of all from Cell - in other words, he finally let go of his fear of his own monster within and was able to in a flash learn to control it and yet not be possessed by it and act, or so I think.

In the second parody version, similar scenario, but Gohan is still depicted as a "man-child" instead of a "young man", so to speak, who is suddenly shocked into adulthood by the blunt words of Android 16. And what transpires afterwards causes him to finally let go of his pacifism due to the parodies so called implied lack of a father figure in Gohan's life and then after the events already described above, he becomes a very assertive individual who is willing to kill Cell because in this case the conscienceless intent of a super powerful and murderous psychopath who only wanted to cause severe pain and death to others for sport and power, was one Gohan realized who couldn't be in any way reasoned with.
 

Oxajil

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I have changed my indecisive mind from before to the following:

Hi Saman, I think there are several ways to interpret the scene. You might find this interesting: Link. A note on your use of 'man-child'; if I'm correct it's used for adult men who act like children. The character you speak of is a child, so he can't be a man-child.

It's interesting to think about these things, but I wouldn't spend too much time on it. The person who was tasked to create the manga for the latest Dragon Ball Super series said in an interview about the creator of Dragon Ball, Toriyama: "I don't think Mr. Toriyama made this series to promote specific values. He wanted to create a fascinating story that would be entertaining for everyone. If you find messages in this work, they probably come from yourself." I believe he once said that Americans/West take it too seriously.

Having said that, I think that the show has had a positive effect on many (men being inspired to take on martial arts, overcoming depression, boys and girls finding courage to stand up to bullies, as examples). Considering the 'amount' of masculinity in the show, I'm surprised SJWs haven't attacked it yet - but if they would, they would get a lot of resistance from the many fans! The male / female roles portrayed is interesting as well, with, in a broad sense, the male characters protecting life, and the female characters nurturing life. A very entertaining show (to me, at least), but yeah, when it comes to interpreting things, I wouldn't analyze it too much. :-)
 
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