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Guardian said:
LOL...yeah...I noticed I was logging in for myself awhile ago as I got pretty much all the perv data I was looking for in the first few weeks. Fact is, yawl are an interesting group of folks, and part of a very unique sub-culture that I know less than nothing about. Now that I know it exists, I've just got to learn all about it, and you have this lovely, informative forum...sooooooo....here I be. :D
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We like to think that we are "normal" in a world gone mad and refuse to be corrupted by it. Doesn't mean we have all the answers about what "normal" is or should be, but we are trying like the dickens to find out and implement it.
 
Laura said:
We like to think that we are "normal" in a world gone mad and refuse to be corrupted by it. Doesn't mean we have all the answers about what "normal" is or should be, but we are trying like the dickens to find out and implement it.
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Maybe that's why I like your forum. :)
I long ago accepted the fact that if the dominant culture is "normal," I am crazy as a loon...and I intend to stay that way.
 
Guardian said:
Laura said:
We like to think that we are "normal" in a world gone mad and refuse to be corrupted by it. Doesn't mean we have all the answers about what "normal" is or should be, but we are trying like the dickens to find out and implement it.
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Maybe that's why I like your forum. :)
I long ago accepted the fact that if the dominant culture is "normal," I am crazy as a loon...and I intend to stay that way.
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I hear ya! It takes a lot of strength to stand up and say "that's just wrong and crazy and I'm not goin' there" when everybody else is doing it and saying it is okay. It also takes having eyes that can see and a brain that can think and using them. I think the reason that so many people are depressed and on drugs on this planet is because they DO see but don't have the strength to think their way through things without that overwhelming pressure of "peer influence." Human beings evolved and survived in a pro-social context, but what is out there now is definitely anti-social and anti-human. It's also going to destroy humanity if some of us don't wake up and get normal and spread normality.
 
but what is out there now is definitely anti-social and anti-human. It's also going to destroy humanity if some of us don't wake up and get normal and spread normality.
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Agreed! One day at a time, though... :)
 
Laura said:
I think the reason that so many people are depressed and on drugs on this planet is because they DO see but don't have the strength to think their way through things without that overwhelming pressure of "peer influence."
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I agree with that. In addition to that case, I also think that, as children, many of us have been unwittingly taught that technique of introspective self-calming inner narratization of the world that takes the very real childhood realization that "there is something very wrong here", and turns it into stories dealing with the "fear of the bogey man". This inner narratization habit can then be used for self-calming or rationalizing just about anything to relieve discomfort, fear and anxiety.

I reckon it also becomes addictive as a perpetual source for self-chosen dissasociation events that can last for the remainder of life.

At least, this is what I've learned from my Work. Others may have different experiences.
 
Laura said:
It takes a lot of strength to stand up and say "that's just wrong and crazy and I'm not goin' there" when everybody else is doing it and saying it is okay.
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Hmmm, Interesting.. I've never really thought of it as "strength," I just figured I was born contrary. My mom say's that when I was little, a third grade teacher threatened to quit if I was assigned to her class....an she really meant it.

It also takes having eyes that can see and a brain that can think
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I really can't take credit for those either...they came with the package. :D

and using them.
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Now that does take practice.

I think the reason that so many people are depressed and on drugs on this planet is because they DO see but don't have the strength to think their way through things without that overwhelming pressure of "peer influence."
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Yeah, being outnumbered 10's perhaps 100's of thousands to one can definitely make ya right snarky after awhile.

Human beings evolved and survived in a pro-social context, but what is out there now is definitely anti-social and anti-human. It's also going to destroy humanity if some of us don't wake up and get normal and spread normality.
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I've seen little enclaves of sanity here and there...but I'll confess I worry that it's too little, too late. Still and all, it's well worth the effort. Like we got something better to do?? :D
 
Hidden Hand is mere child's play compared to our Forgotten Foot group which can often remember just in time to use our powerful Forgotten Foot to kick some butt. :P
 
Laura said:
Guardian said:
Laura said:
We like to think that we are "normal" in a world gone mad and refuse to be corrupted by it. Doesn't mean we have all the answers about what "normal" is or should be, but we are trying like the dickens to find out and implement it.
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Maybe that's why I like your forum. :)
I long ago accepted the fact that if the dominant culture is "normal," I am crazy as a loon...and I intend to stay that way.
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I hear ya! It takes a lot of strength to stand up and say "that's just wrong and crazy and I'm not goin' there" when everybody else is doing it and saying it is okay. It also takes having eyes that can see and a brain that can think and using them. I think the reason that so many people are depressed and on drugs on this planet is because they DO see but don't have the strength to think their way through things without that overwhelming pressure of "peer influence." Human beings evolved and survived in a pro-social context, but what is out there now is definitely anti-social and anti-human. It's also going to destroy humanity if some of us don't wake up and get normal and spread normality.
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This reminds me of a saying I once heard that stuck with me ever since. "Find out what direction society is going in, and RUN in the opposite direction. Your chances in life are much better."

Well I've been heading in the opposite direction of what most people around me follow and try and coax me into following and it led me here. So my chances in life must be much better! :D
 
Can we have a look at this stuff and get some feedback/analysis on it? A reader wrote and asked me about it and I really don't have the time to read it all just now. Plus, I think it may take several pairs of eyes:

"Dialogue with "Hidden Hand", Self-Proclaimed Illuminati Insider by Wes Penre, Illuminati News, Dec 27, 2008"
_http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

I had thought there was a thread about it, but didn't find it. If one of the other moderators finds it, merge this with the original thread.
 
Is this the thread you were looking for?

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=14369.0
 
So far I only read the first session, and stumbled upon this :

Hidden Hand said:
Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society), in your hypnotized comatose state, given your Free Will consent to the state your planet is in today. You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served up for you on your televisions that you are addicted to, violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant 'bad news', fear and 'terror'. When was the last time you stopped, to think of something beautiful and pure? The planet is the way it is, because of your collective thoughts about it. You are complicit in your inaction, every time you 'look the other way' when you see an injustice. Your 'thought' at the sub-conscious level of creation to the Creator, is your allowance of these things to occur. In so doing, you are serving our purpose. It is very important to us, that the Polarization of this planet is Negative at the time of the Great Harvest. That means Service to Self orientated, as opposed to Positive, Service to Others. We require a Negative Harvest, and you are doing a fine job of helping us to attain our goal. We are very grateful.
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That certainly sounds true.
I'm gonna go read some more..
I'm not really buying the whole Self-Proclaimed Illuminati Insider story yet though.

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reading on in the second session it starts babbling about 2012 and the Mayan calendar being very accurate, and all sorts of little things that just doesn't fit with what the C's have told, so I suddenly don't have the urge to read any further.

Also :
ATS: I agree with many others that your answers are very much in line with several sources I have read in the past, including the channellings of Ra, the Cassiopians and several others.

Can you explain your interpretation of such "channellings" and if they are another source of disclosure from your people?

HH: I have spoken on Ra in my previous answers today. I have not heard of Cassiopians. There are no other communications from my Family at this time, than this one, though there is a possibility of another soon, depending upon certain events.
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If the answers come from 6th, wouldn't they know the C's? I would think so.

There's some truth in there I'm sure, as with alot of other material. It's just hard to weed through it, at least for me.
 
Is this the thread you were looking for?

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=14369.0
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I remember that one...yeesh.

I have not heard of Cassiopians.
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If that's true then why is so much of the material identical? Things don't just pop out of thin air! My subjective viewpoint is that a lot of that

material was plagurized. It's like doing a cover song and telling people "yeah, it was all my idea, because i'm so creative and artistic". pshhht. :rolleyes:
 
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