I think it is interesting that Louis Theroux who made a documentary about Jimmy Saville in 2000 has come out and said the same things, Ant, about Michael Jackson apologists, OSIT: Louis Theroux on his infamous Jimmy Savile documentary
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I think it is interesting that Louis Theroux who made a documentary about Jimmy Saville in 2000 has come out and said the same things, Ant, about Michael Jackson apologists, OSIT: Louis Theroux on his infamous Jimmy Savile documentary
According to a Daily Mail article Marlon Brando "told LA prosecutors in 1994 he thought Michael Jackson 'may have had something to do with kids'":
Saw this documentary on Netflix a few months ago called "Square One MJ Documentary" I searched back then to see if anyone had posted about it and again just now but I couldn't find anything on the forum. I typed "Square One" into search and everywhere but no results. So if you guys don't mind me asking, has anyone else here watched it yet, and if so, what do you think about it? This documentary makes a pretty good case that he wasn't a pedophile, and it is seemingly done by people who are just his fans and have no monetary gain but to simply clear his name, or so it seems.
I've always wondered that there was something fishy about the allegations and this documentary seems to corroborate this feeling, well again, or so it seems that is.
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I've always wondered that there was something fishy about the allegations and this documentary seems to corroborate this feeling, well again, or so it seems that is.
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The revelations coming out of the lawsuit against Sean Combs AKA Puff Daddy AKA P. Diddy are shedding new light on the allegations that Michael Jackson was a pedophile. It's starting to look like the whole thing was bogus, and part of a conspiracy against him by, ahem, those who control the entertainment industry.
I apologize to those who tried in vain to remind us - @neema comes to mind - that the claims of child sex abuse in the Leaving Neverland documentary - while convincing at the time - never actually held up in a court of law. I should have suspected that the now-adult 'victims' of Jackson could easily have confabulated memories of abuse, given how manipulative and/or gullible people can be, and how uniformly the media pilloried the pop star as a pedophile, for a good 15 years, against all the evidence. I mean, most everyone 'knew' that Jackson was a pedophile, right?
Candace Owens has done a podcast on the new lawsuit and what it means for the Jackson case, and she builds on the dots already connected by the maverick Ian Carroll:
Long story short, behind the scenes Jackson was engaged in legal battles to retain control of his music rights and other property, against a host of unscrupulous characters bent on destroying him and plundering his wealth. In public, Jackson was speaking out, or signalling that he was about to speak out, and that same host was determined to silence his powerful voice.
I apologize to those who tried in vain to remind us - @neema comes to mind - that the claims of child sex abuse in the Leaving Neverland documentary - while convincing at the time - never actually held up in a court of law. I should have suspected that the now-adult 'victims' of Jackson could easily have confabulated memories of abuse, given how manipulative and/or gullible people can be, and how uniformly the media pilloried the pop star as a pedophile, for a good 15 years, against all the evidence. I mean, most everyone 'knew' that Jackson was a pedophile, right?
Candace Owens has done a podcast on the new lawsuit and what it means for the Jackson case, and she builds on the dots already connected by the maverick Ian Carroll:
Long story short, behind the scenes Jackson was engaged in legal battles to retain control of his music rights and other property, against a host of unscrupulous characters bent on destroying him and plundering his wealth. In public, Jackson was speaking out, or signalling that he was about to speak out, and that same host was determined to silence his powerful voice.
Everyone knows MJ was a bit messed up, mostly because of his upbringing and being a child star in Hollywood. But to think that you could have sleepovers with only children and yourself and people would think that was OK, is extremely naive. I'm not saying he definitely was a pedo, but either there was no one around him willing to tell him what a bad idea that was, or he was unwilling to listen to anyone who'd suggest against the sleepovers. Either way, he made it easier for the "unscrupulous characters" to go after him if in fact he never touched anyone.
Edit: Also - I've read most of the Puff Daddy lawsuit. The claims in it seem to read similar to the Epstein operation. A powerful man, a female number 2 who made sure the number 1 always had what he wanted, a blackmail operation, media and authority complicity, and rich and famous people getting away with (literally and figuratively) murder along with sex trafficking of underage women.
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Perhaps, however, for me, a person who holds a baby by the armpits and hangs it outside a window located at a great height...
That's not a human being.
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Fwiw… So many have died for going against the industry. Things that make you go hmmm…
And there was Elvis too!
And there was Elvis too!
I remain pretty convinced that MJ was a Pedo and a quite manipulative one. Until proven otherwise, far too many details speak for it IMO. Especially what the FBI profiler had to say.
Can you share the source/video here?
The only way pushing children at him to have an excuse to blackmail him could work would be if he took the bait. And to take the bait would mean he was in fact a pedophile. Think about it: if someone sent you little children to blackmail you, would you fall for it? Would you hang around them and let them sleep in your house? No, because it's not a normal thing to do. Which is why pushing young girls at Epstein's clients worked so well - they liked young girls and so fell into the trap.
I guess two things could be true at once about Michael Jackson:
1. That he was being taken advantage of and/or attempts were made to discredit or silence him for whatever reason, and children (at least some of them) were somehow planted around him to entrap him.
2. Those who acted against his best interests chose to entrap him using little children because they knew he had unhealthy interest in them and they chose to exploit that weakness.
I never really bought into the excuse that he behaved so weird because of his upbringing, or that he wanted to be around little children (mostly boys, suspiciously selective I'd say) because he never had a proper childhood himself. Maybe I'd buy into it if it wasn't for the fact that he had brothers and sisters who were raised in the same environment and none turned out like Michael did.
Not to mention that for the majority of recorded history happy and carefree childhood has been a privilege of the rich, and only became available to larger masses of people recently, and mosty in the west. Historically, children of peasants or the poor in general worked from an early age too, and child labour still takes place in many parts of the world. And yet no link between lack of normal childhood and adult behaviour patters similar to Michael's has ever been reported. So I don't think his childhood is to blame here, although I don't dismiss it could have been a factor.
I also think there was something very off about his sexuality. Take the fact that all his children come from surrogates. He was loved and adored by millions of women worldwide, and could pick and choose, and yet he couldn't produce children in a natural way? Why?
Unless he was completely asexual his sexual urges must have manifested themselves somehow, and I'm suspicious of how healthy that manifestation was. Lisa Presley was his only fairly normal romantic partner, but I'd say it's not impossible that she agreed to be his beard - or was used by him as one. And if that's the case, what was there to hide? I don't think it was homosexuality, we'd be hearing reports of grown men hanging around him, not little boys.
There are reports of him calling the media liars and saying that our history books are manipulated, so I guess it's likely he was close to the epicentre of evil than most. But then again, show business is one heck of a nasty swamp, so that's not exactly surprising. I can certainly believe that there could have been attempts to silence him by ruining his reputation and credibility - but Leaving Neverland came out long after his death, what exactly could have been the motive then?
Here's an example of a video like that from 14 years ago, so long before any deep fake technology was available:
Accusations against R. Kelly didn't hold up in a court of law for over two decades either. He was put on trial multiple times for alleged sex crimes and despite effectively running a sex cult and video evidence being available he was repeatedly found not guilty - until he was eventually jailed in 2022.
As for Candace Owens and her material, note that she also defended Andrew Tate as yet another innocent victim of the Matrix, so her pattern recognition and character assessment skills certainly do need a bit more calibration. She may be right about P. Diddy, but she may have thrown Michael Jackson into the same category incorrectly due to some similarities between these two cases that prompted her to build a link between them in her mind.
Also, like Michael Jackson, Tate has not been convicted despite 4-5 years of ongoing investigation against him. And somehow I really doubt the latter is completely innocent.
And what would be the motive behind confabulating memories of abuse years after Jackson's death? The two men from Leaving Neverland gained lots of negative publicity, that's not exactly the kind of fame anyone wants and they must have known there was going to be backlash when they agreed to do the interview. Their parents and spouses testified in that document too, that's one heck of a conspiracy against a man that was long gone, couldn't be used by anyone, and didn't need silencing anymore.
Then there's Macauley Culkin who continues to claim he was never abused by Jackson, and yet his life has been full of the very issues adults who were victims of sexual abuse as children are statistically very likely to suffer from. Sure, this may have been a result of exposure to show business early on, but somehow I have doubts.
So yeah, the jury is still out on this one as far as I'm concerned, but I'm 80% sure he was guilty.
It was discussed quite a while ago in the following thread. What former FBI agent Jim Clemente said about MJ was pretty damming and clear IMO, taken together with all the other weird things we know about MJ. Unfortunately, the video isn’t available anymore. I try to see if I can find it again somewhere later. Two of several comments in the thread:
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It should also be remembered that children that were heavily abused at an early age can later often not remember any of the abuse consciously because the trauma was just too severe. The mind/being of the child had to shut off in order to survive while being confronted by such brutality: by either deleting the conscious memories of it and/or splitting into other personalities. It seems to be a protection mechanism that the body/mind uses in such circumstances. Often such children seem to remember only good or normal stuff about the abuser and can defend the person because they really believe that “nothing bad happened“! In that way they can become one of the strongest defenders of their own abuser, strangely enough! Also, such people often seem to carry the trauma unconsciously with them their whole life, creating hell on earth for themselves and/or near ones, by things like: being suicidal, self destructive, heavily plagued/filled by dark thoughts and feelings, being overly aggressive in mundane situations and many other things. While often not being consciously aware of the traumatic cause of it in the past. For such former children of heavy abuse the whole rest of their life often turns into living hell. If they are lucky they might be able to work themselves out of that hell, painfully and slowly over many decades.
Also, if I remember correctly, Clemente was heavily abused as a child himself (sexual abuse I think), so he knows about what he is talking about.
Also, if I remember correctly, Clemente was heavily abused as a child himself (sexual abuse I think), so he knows about what he is talking about.
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I’ll also add to the above that Julian Asange continues to be locked up in prison because accusations against him did hold up in a court of law. So I wouldn’t use the decisions of the legal system as a fool-proof evidence of someone’s guilt or innocence.