Mother of all gushers - BP Oil Disaster in Gulf of Mexico

[vectis]

I agree with Anart, that video is shaky. but I have to hit it from another angle. I have seen UN vehicles in the US, they come in from Port Beaumont and Port Houston on their way to (or from) Fort Hood, the biggest military parking lot in the US. This was back just after Katrina, when Houston was evacuated for Hurrican Rita. I did a quick search, this is what I found to give a little creedance to what I claim. I wonder if one could zoom in on the trailer trucks license plates to see if they are in fact Texas truck plates (?)

_http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/home.htm

I recently watch a video called Camp Fema, which is based on a lot of fact. Showing national and international laws of what FEMA really is and what it means. It is 90 minutes of good info, there are only two subjective sections which I don't quite agree with. Otherwise the paper trail and reference is worth the watch. Clips available at campfema dot com if anyone is interested in seeing the potential of martial law in the US and how it is so ready to be put into action. This video gives a good basis for why they could be bringing UN vehicles into FL. The hard part to swallow is insolvency in the US which would necessitate the need for international peace troops...

REX-84 (April 1984) was Reagans blueprint for FEMA, as a "national readiness exercise." Out of this came operation Garden Plot and Operation Cable Splicer, which detail coordination of the US military, the National Guard AND United Nations personnel in operations such as national emergency. This might be a good place to look at the reality of how and why UN vehicles "may be" in the states...
...hope this helps, on the closer side of fact...

 

[Bluestar]

As if the oil spill is not enough. The pathologicals are out in number scamming people in various methods. From "learn how to clean up the oil on your beaches"(for a price) to "you to can benefit from suing BP". It is terrible how disaster can bring out the scammers to hurt people further.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt058.shtm

The FTC says it’s likely that scammers will use e-mails, websites, door-to-door collections, flyers, mailings and telephone calls to make contact and solicit money. Some may claim they’re raising money for environmental causes or offer fraudulent services – like remediation services – related to the oil spill. Others may claim they can expedite loss claims for a fee. Still others may knock on your door and talk about placing booms or checking for oil on your property. Chances are they’re trying to gain your trust to get inside your home or get access to your personal information.

 

[vectis]

Here's a current report on all the toxins being used and identified in the Gulf, plus information on their health effects:

"This report describes the toxicity of chemicals in crude oil and in the dispersants currently being used in the Gulf area. "

_http://www.sciencecorps.org/crudeoilhazards.htm

 

[Joe]

That really is alarming! Obviously, big plans are already in motion and there probably isn't a whole lot that can be done about it. I cannot actually tell if all those thousands of vehicles are UN vans or something else, but even if they were something else... it doesn't look too good. If I lived down south, anywhere along the coast, I would be high-tailing it outa there ASAP

I'm a bit confused - why is this so alarming? Who is this guy? How does he know these vehicles - if they are there - are actually UN vehicles? He offers no proof of that and the images look a bit doctored to me (though I'm obviously no expert).
The basic question is how does he know these are UN vehicles?

Lots of holes in this video, and LOTS of videos on the internet that are made up. Yes, we have a very serious problem - yes - people may be evacuated, but let's try to find data that has a reliable source and can actually be identified and checked before we take it seriously. fwiw.

Saw this video a while back. There does seem to be about 4,000 white vans parked at that airport, but they could be for anything. One thing to remember, whenever you hear about the "UN" invading the US or whatever, just ignore it.

 

[Joe]

I agree with Anart, that video is shaky. but I have to hit it from another angle. I have seen UN vehicles in the US, they come in from Port Beaumont and Port Houston on their way to (or from) Fort Hood, the biggest military parking lot in the US. This was back just after Katrina, when Houston was evacuated for Hurrican Rita. I did a quick search, this is what I found to give a little creedance to what I claim. I wonder if one could zoom in on the trailer trucks license plates to see if they are in fact Texas truck plates (?)

_http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/home.htm

I recently watch a video called Camp Fema, which is based on a lot of fact. Showing national and international laws of what FEMA really is and what it means. It is 90 minutes of good info, there are only two subjective sections which I don't quite agree with. Otherwise the paper trail and reference is worth the watch. Clips available at campfema dot com if anyone is interested in seeing the potential of martial law in the US and how it is so ready to be put into action. This video gives a good basis for why they could be bringing UN vehicles into FL. The hard part to swallow is insolvency in the US which would necessitate the need for international peace troops...

REX-84 (April 1984) was Reagans blueprint for FEMA, as a "national readiness exercise." Out of this came operation Garden Plot and Operation Cable Splicer, which detail coordination of the US military, the National Guard AND United Nations personnel in operations such as national emergency. This might be a good place to look at the reality of how and why UN vehicles "may be" in the states...
...hope this helps, on the closer side of fact...

UN vehicles were likely shipped to Haiti earlier this year via Florida. Please people, the whole "UN" thing is such a bad example of right-wing gun-toting militia thinking that it's not even wrong. Rest assured, if the UN do actually appear en masse in the US at some point, silly conspiracy theories about the UN taking over America will be the last thing on the average citizens' mind.

 

[vectis]

Thanks Perceval, good point. it's good to stay on top of the current laws of the land, and what they mean, but not good to fall for disinformation which is the trap TPTB want...

 

[Mona]

Thanks Perceval and Vectis, you helped me clear my mind a bit, I have just been so distracted, I have not had a good sleep in quite some time, I am just too overwhelmed with the mess in Gulf of Mexico. It makes sense that those vehicles could be used for other projects like Haiti. All I am thinking about lately is the negative stuff; the feeling of helplessness is sooo overwhelming. I want to do something but there is nothing I can do. If I lived in Florida I would help clean the birds or something.
Laura has a good point, the best thing we can do is to ground ourselves, use EE meditation to help ease the stress but lately I cannot even do that. My mind keeps wondering, even while trying to sleep.
Would it be a good idea to warn people in Florida of the possible catastrophy that may occur? I work for an internet pharmacy, yes, I am a legal drug dealer, at least that is how I look at it, we sell drugs legally, the drug dealers on the street sell drugs illegally. Trust me I hate going to work knowing that I am helping to make people even more sick, but this was the only job I could find after i lost my job and I am single which makes it a pain in the butt because I cannot rely on someone else. Anyway, most of our customers are from Florida, expecially from Boynton Beach area. Is it a good idea to warn them? I am not sure how open minded Americans are but I would compare them to Canadians, so maybe warning them would not be such a bad idea. I just feel like I have to do something but I don't know what. No one around me gives the damn because they all think that this part of the world will not be affected, and they all have to attend to their own pointless lives. Yeah, right. We will all freeze to death here. But in the meantime the bad news should somehow reach those affected by the spill, especially the old people.
Everything is such a mess.I consider myself a clean freak but I don't know how to handle this one.

 

[vectis]

You'll be ok Mona, there's an old Budda saying, "if you want to change the world, you have to start by changing yours"...
That's why Laura's suggestion is very important, breathing is SO important for stress reduction, good health etc.
Take care of yourself first, in a healthy way. I think the STS forces WANT discord, depression and distraction. Keeping yourself healthy and in good spirits is the first step in helping the world!
- Earlier in this thread, I posted a link to the top 10 BP Protests sites on the web. At least there, I can find some good information and people who are trying to do something. Even if there are petitions I can sign. It's not much, but it helps me feel less powerless. I have family and friends who live in FL, LA, TX.
- It's hard to talk to people who don't want to know the truth. The give it lip service, and pay attention to mass media disinformation. Increase you network, especially your support network of family and friends, and there you may find ways to vent and share your concerns and frustrations. This is also a great forum for support. Please don't allow yourself to think you are going at this alone. Again, I would think that is what STS wants.
- Be glad you have a job. It is always easier to find a new job while you're working, than it is unemployed. If it really concerns you and your soul, then you may concern yourself with finding something that pleases you more. I love the book, "Do What You Love, the Money will Follow"...
- I personally take a break throughout the day to read something positive. So much bad news in the world is really getting to me also. That again goes with changing my world (first)! Pray, meditate, and put positive stuff into my head. That, I feel is the only way I can get through this. You can do it! The C's say "life is all lessons" - the lesson I like the best is learning how to stay truly happy, even with the ways of the world as they are. (and when I can't sleep I find natural Melaton helps me sleep)....
:)

 

[Mixtli]

Vectis. I think you mean STS (service to self) not STO (service to others). :)

 

[vectis]

thanks for pointing that out Mixtli, I corrected it.

 

[vectis]

more and more evidence shows this was no "surprise"....

"Cracks Show BP Was Battling Gulf Well as Early as February"

_http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-17/bp-struggled-with-cracks-in-gulf-well-as-early-as-february-documents-show.html

 

[Possibility of Being]

Hi Vectis,

That article was posted on Sott a few days ago:
Cracks Show BP Was Battling Gulf Well as Early as February.

But thank you anyway! Keep them coming. :)

 

[vectis]

Thanks, Possibility of Being (I like your nickname!) I'm trying!
Sorry I missed the story in Living Planet section, will check there more often!
thanks to SOTT for the all the best news that's fit to print!

 

[GRiM]

10mb version:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/44000/44375/USA7_TMO_2010170_lrg.jpg


http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=44375

edit: better picture. http://i.imgur.com/QQLFq.jpg

 

[Laura]

I was just digging around for some data I knew I had written about in the past few years and, after finding a few things, I thought: how interesting that this thread was named as it was because the "Mother of all Gushers" may give birth to the "Mother of all Storms."

First, read this bit that is current on SOTT.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/210863-The-Real-Consequences-of-An-Ocean-Floor-Collapse

Note it says:

The two possible scenarios are either a complete collapse of the ocean floor right above the Deepwater Horizon well and surroundings or a partial collapse in the form of a mud slide on one side of the well.

In this article I wrote back in 2007: Fire and Ice The Day After Tomorrow


There's a bunch of collected articles which includes one about the THE LAKE NYOS GAS EXPLOSION, CAMEROON 1986 where we read:

Lake Nyos is one of only three lakes in the world known to be saturated with carbon dioxide -- the others are Lake Monoun, also in Cameroon about 100 km away, and Lake Kivu in Rwanda. A magma chamber beneath the region is an abundant source of carbon dioxide, which seeps up through the lake bed, charging the waters of Lake Nyos with an estimated 90 million tonnes of CO2

Lake Nyos is thermally stratified, with layers of warm, less dense water near the surface floating on the colder, denser water layers near the lake's bottom. Over long periods, carbon dioxide gas seeping into the cold water at the lake's bottom is dissolved in great amounts.

Most of the time, the lake is stable and the CO2 remains in solution in the lower layers. However, over time the water becomes supersaturated, and if an event such as an earthquake or volcanic eruption occurs, large amounts of CO2 may suddenly come out of solution.

Although a sudden outgassing of CO2 had occurred at Lake Monoun in 1984, killing 37 local residents, a similar threat from Lake Nyos was not anticipated. However, on August 21, 1986, a limnic eruption occurred at Lake Nyos which triggered the sudden release of about 1.6 million tonnes of CO2. The gas rushed down two nearby valleys, displacing all the air and suffocating up to 1,800 people within 20 km of the lake, mostly rural villagers, as well as 3,500 livestock. About 4,000 inhabitants fled the area, and many of these developed respiratory problems, burns, and paralysis as a result of the gases.

It is not known what triggered the catastrophic outgassing. Most geologists suspect a landslide, but some believe that a small volcanic eruption may have occurred on the bed of the lake. A third possibility is that cool rainwater falling on one side of the lake triggered the overturn. Whatever the cause, the event resulted in the rapid mixing of the supersaturated deep water with the upper layers of the lake, where the reduced pressure allowed the stored CO2 to effervesce out of solution.

It is believed that up to a cubic kilometre of gas was released. Because CO2 is denser than air, the gas flowed off the mountainous flank in which Lake Nyos rests and down two adjoining valleys in a layer tens of metres deep, displacing the air and suffocating all the people and animals before it could dissipate. The normally blue waters of the lake turned a deep red after the outgassing, due to iron-rich water from the deep rising to the surface and being oxidised by the air. The level of the lake dropped by about a metre, representing the volume of gas released. The outgassing probably also caused an overflow of the waters of the lake. Trees near the lake were knocked down.

The laky Nyos situation was about a different kind of gas... maybe. In any case, a similar event with methane is even more problematical.

Anyway, there is a lot in that article I wrote in 2007 that applies to the present situation, most particularly:

John Barnes, in his fiction novel, "Mother of Storms," described the release of vast quantities of methane as the trigger for a global superstorm that nearly destroys the earth.

Mother of Storms takes place about thirty years from now. The UN has become dominant and at the start of the book the US President is maneuvering desperately to avoid losing any more sovereignty to the UN. The UN undertakes a nuclear strike against the Siberian Republic's secret--and illegal--nuclear weapons caches buried in the Arctic seabed. The explosions result in the release of huge amount of methane from the methane clathrates buried there. The methane causes a near-runaway greenhouse effect with global temperatures going up by 10 degrees F in a matter of months.

The hot, wet oceans are perfect breeding grounds for hurricanes which rapidly develop into storms of unprecedented strength, duration and number.

Obviously, if such a scenario were to play out at present, the roles would be reversed to what Barnes imagined: it would be the U.S. undertaking a nuclear strike that unleashes the methane that triggers the Global Superstorm. It would probably only be in such a manner that enough methane would be released fast enough to make such an impact.

The above really caught my eye. In the book, "Mother of Storms", the methane is released by a nuclear explosion in the arctic... well, we don't have that, but we have an "explosion" in the Gulf of Mexico and it looks like it's doing the same thing hypothesized by John Barnes in his novel. He did a lot of research on the science, by the way.

In short, I think the Cs are right: we have just a couple years, if that. We really need to get people on the EE program asap. If you are not currently doing it, or involved in some way with sharing it with others, I hope that you can begin to feel the urgency of the situation. As I have said before, I don't see anything more important to be doing now than that, not only for the potential of the self, but also because, in coming times, an awake and aware nucleus of people is going to be needed to provide leadership to the lost sheep.