Mother of all gushers - BP Oil Disaster in Gulf of Mexico

Psyche said:
Gulf of Mexico Loop Current Broken!! Risk of Global Climate Change By BP Oil Spill !:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212458-Gulf-of-Mexico-Loop-Current-Broken-Risk-of-Global-Climate-Change-By-BP-Oil-Spill

Here is also an interview with one of the scientists (Dr. Gianluigi Zangari): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT_YlI3yd3c

This is very bad indeed, not only for Europe but for everybody :/. Since there is now a clock wise eddy flow, that would mean that warm waters will be stuck in the Gulf. Possibly causing the Gulfs waters to increase even more in temperature and cause more storms and precipitation.
 
Infiniteness said:
Possibly causing the Gulfs waters to increase even more in temperature and cause more storms and precipitation.

Yep, not good. I live straight north by the great lakes. There have been tropical storms from the gulf up here in the past. Nasty storms. Now they'll be full of Corexit and gawd knows what other POISON... No where to run, no where to hide.

Bye Bye farms, hello world hunger. I was told years ago that the best place to be is at least two days walk from the big city because most people give up after walking two days.

Seems the C's have it when they say It's not where you are, but who you are and what you see.

All we can do is keep our eyeballs pealed open and "see" what happens. Kinda ticks me off when I'm not surprised and say That Figures...
 
Looks like a hurricane might be forming and could blow right over the spill area.
BP is preparing to pull out and suspend operations for 10 - 14 days according to yesterday's tech briefing. _http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/800407/

vessels that would be the last to leave that can move the quickest are the vessels that operate with the ROVs that do the surveillance. So if we had to leave the well capped and unattended right now, we’d probably be looking at a gap of three to four days where we would not have surveillance on scene.
So for that matter, the folks that are meeting in Houston this morning are discussing the impacts and the various options we may have, anywhere from leaving the cap in place knowing it’ll be unattended from three to four days to the risk mitigation measures, if there’s any other way we could do surveillance, or it would be in the best interest to reduce the pressure in the well by venting some of the hydrocarbons out into the environment during that three to four day period so that we would make sure that there was less risk to the wellhead.

Tropical depression "three" is projected to be over the oil spill area by Saturday or Sunday _http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at3.shtml?5-daynl#contents
 
yea...right now they're predicting it to be landing along the middle of the Louisiana coast as a cat 3 by Sunday. Guess I need to start packing...I hate this time of year enough without the oil. :headbash:
 
Regarding the Loop Current, I wouldn't leap to the conclusion that it's permanently shut down just yet. I remember watching an animation of the Loop Current over a long time period, and every now and then a cut-off eddy would form in the Gulf, as if the main current had stopped, but then it would reform not long after that. (And I have since tried to locate that animation but have not had any luck as yet.) So I think we should wait and see over the next couple of months whether the Loop Current really has shut down or might be going through one of its eddy phases.
 
3D Resident said:
Regarding the Loop Current, I wouldn't leap to the conclusion that it's permanently shut down just yet. I remember watching an animation of the Loop Current over a long time period, and every now and then a cut-off eddy would form in the Gulf, as if the main current had stopped, but then it would reform not long after that. (And I have since tried to locate that animation but have not had any luck as yet.) So I think we should wait and see over the next couple of months whether the Loop Current really has shut down or might be going through one of its eddy phases.

Thanks for that information. I was also asking my self if we shoud jump to that conclusion. Certainly it is disturbing but more data is needed I think.
 
3D Resident said:
Regarding the Loop Current, I wouldn't leap to the conclusion that it's permanently shut down just yet. I remember watching an animation of the Loop Current over a long time period, and every now and then a cut-off eddy would form in the Gulf, as if the main current had stopped, but then it would reform not long after that. (And I have since tried to locate that animation but have not had any luck as yet.) So I think we should wait and see over the next couple of months whether the Loop Current really has shut down or might be going through one of its eddy phases.

Yes, this is true. But we have also noticed that when it does this, within a week or two, really crazy weather gets going. The last time I noted it did that in a significant way was in December a few years ago and the following January/February were full of freak storms all over.
 
Tropical Storm Bonnie moving toward oil spill...

_http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100723/ap_on_re_us/tropical_weather

article said:
Some experts worry the hurricane season could worsen environmental damage from the spill, with powerful winds and large waves pushing oil deeper into estuaries and wetlands and also depositing more of the pungent, sticky mess on beaches.
 
Laura said:
3D Resident said:
Regarding the Loop Current, I wouldn't leap to the conclusion that it's permanently shut down just yet. I remember watching an animation of the Loop Current over a long time period, and every now and then a cut-off eddy would form in the Gulf, as if the main current had stopped, but then it would reform not long after that. (And I have since tried to locate that animation but have not had any luck as yet.) So I think we should wait and see over the next couple of months whether the Loop Current really has shut down or might be going through one of its eddy phases.

Yes, this is true. But we have also noticed that when it does this, within a week or two, really crazy weather gets going. The last time I noted it did that in a significant way was in December a few years ago and the following January/February were full of freak storms all over.

Yes that is very likely to happen. Changes to ocean currents have a huge (and rapid) effect upon local (and distant) weather systems so it will be interesting to see what happens in the next few weeks/months.

As for hurricanes, I wonder whether the oil will enhance or suppress hurricane activity. On the one hand the darker water will absorb more solar energy, and the warmer sea surface temperatures should enhance hurricane formation and longevity. On the other hand, the high viscosity of the oily water might suppress evaporation which feeds the hurricane.
 
Laura said:
3D Resident said:
Regarding the Loop Current, I wouldn't leap to the conclusion that it's permanently shut down just yet. I remember watching an animation of the Loop Current over a long time period, and every now and then a cut-off eddy would form in the Gulf, as if the main current had stopped, but then it would reform not long after that. (And I have since tried to locate that animation but have not had any luck as yet.) So I think we should wait and see over the next couple of months whether the Loop Current really has shut down or might be going through one of its eddy phases.

Yes, this is true. But we have also noticed that when it does this, within a week or two, really crazy weather gets going. The last time I noted it did that in a significant way was in December a few years ago and the following January/February were full of freak storms all over.

I believe in Europe at the time it was Kyrill - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrill_(storm)

Mod's note: Tried to fix wiki link but still directs to page: Kyrill_(storm - without closing parenthisis mark. Click on link with closed parenthesis to access wiki page. :)
 
it doesn't look like T.S. Bonnie will strengthen to a hurricane, but it may be a direct hit to bring oil ashore...this time it might rain oil, with tornadoes to suck it up in the gulf. I think I'll put a clean bucket out to see what it collects. Meanwhile, we'll be riding it out.
 
You are from South Louisiana correct? Good idea about putting a bucket out, I think I'll do the same.


Seraphina said:
it doesn't look like T.S. Bonnie will strengthen to a hurricane, but it may be a direct hit to bring oil ashore...this time it might rain oil, with tornadoes to suck it up in the gulf. I think I'll put a clean bucket out to see what it collects. Meanwhile, we'll be riding it out.
 
Would be interesting to analyze whatever rain you end up collecting down there. I do worry about you folks and hope you all (or like the rural folk say up here, "yous guys") are able to find ways to manage through this. It must be so horrible. Just imagining makes me cry and I can't express enough how much I feel for you.

Up here in Ontario, Canada, whenever strong storms hit the Gulf, they eventually make it up our way. The get a power boost when they hit the Great Lakes, and then head eastward along the north of the St. Lawrence Sea-way

Those of us forum members in Ontario, Quebec, and the maritimes will eventually be affected by the toxins as well. It doesn't take a rocket scientist (or theoretical physicist) to see how agriculture will soon be in peril from toxic rain, first in the US and then in Canada.

I was originally thinking I could grow my own veggies, but what would I water them with? I would need to get some heavy-duty purification/filtration systems going. As well, everything would have to be grown under plastic or glass, and planted in containers so the roots avoid the soon-to-be-contaminated water table.

But all that effort could be in vain if/when the hungry masses come and raid the garden.

Hmmm, I'm going to have to put more thought into how to protect and sustain my family while also providing help to others.

Might be time to get out of the city and move to the country, as it could take a couple of growing seasons before one can build up sufficient stockpiles of preserved food.

I was also thinking that, since oil holds heat longer than water, storms might pick up considerably more power than usual when they hit the oil-soaked Gulf.

I hate to think how intense the resulting storms could become. And that's before the consequences of a halted or even weakened loop current on global climate.

Easier sad than done, this anticipate-nothing,-prepare-for-the-worst-and-hope-for-the-best approach.

Gonzo
 
Gonzo said:
... But all that effort could be in vain if/when the hungry masses come and raid the garden....
Easier sad than done, this anticipate-nothing,-prepare-for-the-worst-and-hope-for-the-best approach.

Yep, easier said than done.
QUESTION: If I am standing on the train tracks and I see a train coming at me, am I to step aside or let the train hit me?

I have no problem with shooting the b@stard who endangers my life or my loved ones. It's gonna get nasty I think, eventually, unless fragmented souls reconnect and turn the tables. And how much time do we have???
 
Well, we don't have a solid predictable timeline,but we do have collapsing probabilities, where potential results become fewer and we can extrapolate along any of the potential results to their natural end. That's what we have to work with, in terms of trying to work out timelines.

Of course, the math is way beyond me, requiring someone who can calculate non-linear equations. I get stumped at the periphery of such a concept :)

But my best guess is we have to act in meaningful ways starting now.

In terms of what one can do to add potential to any of the possible outcomes, we actually have some impressive tools in our tool box. We have the EE program, we have a network (Internet-based, for now) of colinear empathetic and devoted souls, we have higher levels of objective awareness (thanks to both Knowledge and effort), and we have Laura, Ark et all at le chateau and SOTT.
We are literally rich in tools and resourcefulness and this brings me great hope.

Get the truth out the for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. Get the EE program in the hands of the masses. The butterfly effect from efforts to date is probably astounding. Imagine if a quarter of us could put the same effort of making information available as has been done by Laura et le gang.

That's a lot of butterfly wing beats.

Gonzo
 
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