My Astra Zeneca shots and the effect on me.

[whitecoast]

. I face East and spin to the west as doing it the other way makes me fall over and be nearly sick.

So is that clockwise or counterclockwise? I feel like praying less when I’m stressed out or I lack sleep. Lots of things can interfere with being spiritual. Hang in there!

 

[candasiri]

@Aaron r and @Jebra thanks for sharing your stories of how you are both surviving the vaccine. I'm facing a lot of social pressure/work pressure to get the vaccine and it's really tough. I've not seen an old friend for over a year because of her fear level and I won't be able to be inside another friend's house without a mask because they are worried that their small children will be infected because I will be a source of disease. A mentor of mind submitted herself to the Moderna jab because her daughter would not attend her wedding with her small children unless she got it...and my mentor had COVID in March 2020. People have truly lost their minds and they simply cannot see reality.

Honestly, I think almost all of us on this forum are going to be in same boat at some point rather soon. It's much easier to keep your resolve if you live amongst the non-programmed, but, for me, that's more wishful thinking than reality. I am afraid that it may come down to your ability to make a living/buy food vs sovereignty over your body. My mentor, who is quite psychic (and accurate I believe), was talking to her "guides" before the vaccine and they told her "you are the sovereign of your kingdom." And, yeah, following post-vaccine protocols can only help too.

I do think it will be important for those who have been "vaxxed" to be able to share experiences without feeling bad about ourselves. At least in my own little queendom, I'm surviving until the end so that I can help others. If that means taking their poison, I'll do it because I know how to attenuate it.

 

[Alejo]

I do think it will be important for those who have been "vaxxed" to be able to share experiences without feeling bad about ourselves. At least in my own little queendom, I'm surviving until the end so that I can help others. If that means taking their poison, I'll do it because I know how to attenuate it.

This is very important, if they take your choice away from getting the vaccine, then one still has the choice of how to meet that fact, I think this is one of those things that will make the difference.

I think there's a lot of things that can affect one mechanically, via diet and beams and EMF and so on, but I like to remind myself that we're more than bodies and while we ought to honor these vehicles for experiencing life, and care for them, they're also not all that we have in us to carry on.

And perhaps that's one good way to deal with the possible feeling of disconnection or of failure that may ensue after getting the jab, specially with all the information that has been shared. Perhaps it's to understand it as a choice rather than an injustice, might help navigate that emotional aspect of it, which in turn will help navigate the physiological symptoms should there be any.

 

[aragorn]

My husband and the mother in law were the worst it was like a switch went off somewhere when I said I wasn't having it and they literally turned from loving kind people into the most spiteful nasty and bullying people I'd ever known. My husband outright said he didn't care about my free will and I was having it or he'll divorce me.

Holy guacamole! This doesn’t sound like a healthy relationship. Threatening your spouse with divorce in order to get them to do what you want is one of the dirtiest non-violent manipulation tactics there is. Maybe it could be useful for you to expand on this in another thread - things are surely not easy for you right now.

Wishing you strength and resilience!

 

[SOTTREADER]

My husband outright said he didn't care about my free will and I was having it or he'll divorce me.

The jab aside, isn't this a bit worrying? Like, is this normal behaviour towards someone one supposedly "loves"?

Does your husband not think you can make decisions for yourself and also isn't threatening one with divorce unless one gets their way in an argument / debate sound a bit manipulative?

Just wanted to highlight the above as that section of what you said jumped out at me.

 

[Mari]

I don't mean that to sound woo but I was praying/ communicating with the divine before the first shot. After the shot it felt like I had no desire to keep doing it. It took weeks to get the desire back to pray etc again. It felt like a real struggle.

You´ve already had an excellent feedback from the members.
I also just wanted to say; no matter you´ve got the vaccine, you know that it is your attitude towards it that makes the difference.
You haven´t done that out of fear or propaganda - you made the decision probably to keep your job.

But, I believe that your lack of desire to pray comes not from vaccine but from yourself; you might feel you betrayed yourself and your believes etc. - and that is what is probably blocking you and you don´t feel honest when doing the prayer.

Don´t do that to yourself; it´s done, move on.
Do the protocol.
Don´t think of the vaccine as some evil microchip that will now turn you to zombie or change you in some way. It won´t because you won´t let it to.
You have your Will and you have the Way.

Big hugs....

 

[Mari]

Well simply put my family bullied me into having the shot (which turned out to be Pfizer). My husband and the mother in law were the worst it was like a switch went off somewhere when I said I wasn't having it and they literally turned from loving kind people into the most spiteful nasty and bullying people I'd ever known. My husband outright said he didn't care about my free will and I was having it or he'll divorce me.

The shot does affect our FRV.

Oh my Jebra....
I felt so sad reading your story...

I think that aragon and sottreader already told you what sticks out in your situation - so please think about it - is it vaccine that is changing your FRV or people you are surrounded with?

 

[SOTTREADER]

Honestly, I think almost all of us on this forum are going to be in same boat at some point rather soon. It's much easier to keep your resolve if you live amongst the non-programmed, but, for me, that's more wishful thinking than reality. I am afraid that it may come down to your ability to make a living/buy food vs sovereignty over your body. My mentor, who is quite psychic (and accurate I believe), was talking to her "guides" before the vaccine and they told her "you are the sovereign of your kingdom." And, yeah, following post-vaccine protocols can only help too.

What I use to motivate me sometimes is thinking about the people who truly made a difference in history and to be grateful to them because it must not have been easy.

People who stood by their resolve and character through the most trying of situations. People who in a strange way transcended the self and stood by ideals. What gets me is that most of these people faced risks, real risks. From imprisonment, heck, even torture, loss of freedom, social isolation, you name it. But they stood firm. It always gets me. We celebrate these people in books, we celebrate them in culture, we celebrate them as national heroes...

The question I ask myself is why can't I be such a person if called upon. Why can't I be? Do I not have the tools, the fortitude, the character to stand for what I know to be true in what is a historical moment? Social pressure, mental anguish, threats of losing a job and the comfort that brings - I look 5 years down the road and think how important these things are if the future to come is a living hell because no one had the courage to stand up today! I think about when I suffered depression in the past, all the difficult lessons I've had, the situations where I've faced social isolation and bullying, the situations where I've had to leave jobs to save my mental and emotional sanity, I think about all these and it dawns on me that I've faced travesty and come out the other side. Years down the line I've grown to be a better person through facing up to trials as and when they came up, each time having faith that in the end if I do what I think is right, network and listen to people I know are made of the right stuff then the universe will stand by me and if it doesn't then there is something it wants to teach me and I'll be better for it.

So, no, I have to respectfully disagree. I think people have been through so much and faced so much that I can't say there won't be possibilities to make different choices to that which those who wish to consume us want us to make. I rest assured knowing I'm no different to those great people who stood for what is right. God gave me all I need to prepare for this moment. Even if it means I fight this battle in a dark corner with no witnesses, God / the universe is my witness and I'll make him proud. In the afterlife I'll look back and be proud. I look back and I look forward to build the courage to face this moment. Others have walked this path and if they did, so can I and frankly, so can anyone else imo.

Having said the above, I respect those who make a different choice but I won't respect any encroachment from that which is being ushered in off the back of all these - I intend to stand against it and have my moment in history.

 

[Mari]

What I use to motivate me sometimes is thinking about the people who truly made a difference in history and to be grateful to them because it must not have been easy.

I see our points in your post and I agree.
But
I.e. I have kids. Is it better for me to stand my ground and to be arrested and my kids grow up with a mother who will "die for a cause" and not actually be there for them in the process (me being in jail, i.e.), or is it better for them to have a mother who will guide them every step of the way trough this madness?
So it´s not that easy, you see.... If I were alone I would happily resist to the whatever end; now I calculate my every move, and to which degree and to whom I´m talking to I expose my true thoughts.
So when it would come to me getting the vaccine or my kids would be harmed in some way by me not taking the vaccine - I would choose the vaccine.

 

[SOTTREADER]

I see our points in your post and I agree.
But
I.e. I have kids. Is it better for me to stand my ground and to be arrested and my kids grow up with a mother who will "die for a cause" and not actually be there for them in the process (me being in jail, i.e.), or is it better for them to have a mother who will guide them every step of the way trough this madness?
So it´s not that easy, you see.... If I were alone I would happily resist to the whatever end; now I calculate my every move, and to which degree and to whom I´m talking to I expose my true thoughts.
So when it would come to me getting the vaccine or my kids would be harmed in some way by me not taking the vaccine - I would choose the vaccine.

I think we have a tendency to think of the worst outcome, death. I'm no parent but if I was, I wouldn't let my kids get jabbed. There will be consequences to that decision when the gene based jabs finally come for the kids. First of all, it makes tactical sense to stand up against the jab coming for you because if it can't make it past you it won't make it to the kids. When adults surrendered themselves, they opened up their kids to the wolves. Now the kids are in danger.

What does it mean for you to stand up for your kids? When you say no to them getting jabbed what will be the consequences? How will you face the consequences?

We're living in a historical moment where we will all be forced to step outside our comfort zone and make a decision either way. If others around you succumb, the jab will be at your doorstep before you can even blink. If you succumb, it'll be at someone else's doorstep once they've been through you. It isn't even the jab itself, it's everything else that comes with it.

What does it mean to protect kids? Is it just to protect them today but to also protect them tomorrow? Do we want a future where our kids are forced to be transhuman or where they don't have bodily autonomy?

There is no avoiding any of these unless people stand up. Battles don't win themselves, they are won by people. That means people are tasked with doing something otherwise nothing gets done. These are the facts.

 

[Mari]

What does it mean for you to stand up for your kids? When you say no to them getting jabbed what will be the consequences? How will you face the consequences?

I meant that I would get the vaccine if I need to for their protection.

On the other hand, I´m still not sure what I will do if I have to vaccinate them. I´m thinking strongly about moving again, but to where...?
I´m not willing to vaccinate them and I still don´t have the whole picture in my head what would be my next move if it comes to that... Surely I will avoid and resist that in every way.

 

[SOTTREADER]

Ps, I'm really sorry it sounds kind of militant but it's so annoying because these things are at our doorstep now. I'd much rather avoid having to do anything but there's less and less choice now. Usually such things wouldn't make it to us as we have institutions or other people that stand in the way but it looks like we don't have such luxuries now.

Every single time they send a letter or a text message and I delete or throw it in the bin, guess what, I'm taking a stand. When I cancelled my TV license, guess what, that was taking a stance. Having not downloaded the NHS app, guess what, that's taking a stand. Refusing to enter any business establishment that requires you to have that app, guess what, that's taking a stand. Forwarding on videos from the massive anti lockdown and anti Jab protests, guess what, that's taking a stand. Maintaining mental fortitude, guess what, that's taking a stand. Being surrounded by 6 people who have taken the jab and who ask you to just get on the "bus" and take the jab and you having the courage to say "No", guess what, that's taking a stand.

Taking a stand doesn't have to be big acts. It can be many small acts that accumulate. In none of the above has the thought of "death" or "imprisonment" featured. We're not there and if we were there we would have different choices to make at that moment in time.

 

[SOTTREADER]

I meant that I would get the vaccine if I need to for their protection.

On the other hand, I´m still not sure what I will do if I have to vaccinate them. I´m thinking strongly about moving again, but to where...?
I´m not willing to vaccinate them and I still don´t have the whole picture in my head what would be my next move if it comes to that... Surely I will avoid and resist that in every way.

Why would you need to take the vaccine to protect them? Surely the opposite would be the result?

 

[Mari]

Why would you need to take the vaccine to protect them? Surely the opposite would be the result?

Well, first of all, I´m the only one working; my job pays the bills, rent, food, clothes, books, school,... So me working protects them from poverty. We are still living in a world where one needs money, right...

 

[SOTTREADER]

Well, first of all, I´m the only one working; my job pays the bills, rent, food, clothes, books, school,... So me working protects them from poverty. We are still living in a world where one needs money, right...

Oh do you mean if you have to take it for the job?

I'd ask a few questions first. Does your job require this jab? In Germany I don't think any job can force someone to take it just yet? They can coerce but not force. So if you sense your job is going in this direction I'd personally look to see where I should put my energy to make it difficult for them to do so i.e. there will be people campaigning against this.

On the flip side, what about the real chance that you take the jab for your job, suffer an injury and them can't work. You say you are the only one working. What happens to the family then?

Let's game it (worst case scenarios) - take the jab to save a single job in 1 industry. If you don't take the jab you lose the job but can always go get another job in another industry but maybe it's less paid. Bottom line you can still work.

Take the jab and suffer an injury that stops you being a capable worker. Now you can't work any job in any industry. You now live off government support.

Do we have reassurances that one won't suffer bad injuries? I know I'm seeing people who are a-okay but I'm also seeing people who are not. So suffering an injury either immediately or down the line isn't a possibility to be scoffed at which means one should consider this as a viable possible outcome.

With the above mind, the second scenario doesn't look too appealing to me . From a tactical perspective I'd much rather take the hit of working a low paid job and put effort into the resistance for a chance of a better future than get jib jab for a well paid job but then open myself up to all these other nightmarish possibilities. Just gaming the numbers and taking a risk based approach.