Mystery of falling dead birds and masses of dead fish

[davey72]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

Yes, very weird.

Sounds like the birds may have been victims of some kind of compression shock.

Quote from Whitebear.
"The disease vs. toxin argument regarding the deaths of the fish is explained by the fact that only Drum fish died. So, I asked myself (and Google), what was unusual, if anything, about the Drum fish.

Right at the top is this story. _http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1839/is-the-drum-fish-the-worlds-most-useless-fish
Turns out not only are they incredibly resilient to the point that people wonder why they -won't- die, they also use sound for reproduction, with special muscles that Drum against an inflatable bladder.
"The drum has an earbone called an "otolith" which has white enameled surfaces almost like ivory. These otoliths are sometimes made into jewelry and were kept by early people as lucky, protective amulets (presumably after they ate the fish). "

Given the "blunt force trauma" of airborne birds, and the killing of fish who use sound extensively, my thoughts turn to a more mundane explanation...some sort of sonic weapon test."

This would make sense then, about some type of compression shock,no?

 

[shijing]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

Right at the top is this story. _http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1839/is-the-drum-fish-the-worlds-most-useless-fish
Turns out not only are they incredibly resilient to the point that people wonder why they -won't- die, they also use sound for reproduction, with special muscles that Drum against an inflatable bladder.
"The drum has an earbone called an "otolith" which has white enameled surfaces almost like ivory. These otoliths are sometimes made into jewelry and were kept by early people as lucky, protective amulets (presumably after they ate the fish). "

Here's something interesting about that from Wikipedia:

The shapes and proportional sizes of the otoliths vary with fish species. In general, fish from highly structured habitats such as reefs or rocky bottoms (e.g. snappers, groupers, many drums and croakers) will have larger otoliths than fish that spend most of their time swimming at high speed in straight lines in the open ocean (e.g. tuna, mackerel, dolphinfish).

So that could be in line with some sort of shock wave, especially since most of the fish species affected seem to be bottom-feeding or filter-feeding varieties that inhabit shallow water (as far as I can tell). I'm not so sure about a sonic weapons test, but a shock wave from some source could potentially tie the fish together with the birds. Here is an interesting little tidbit about otoliths in both fish and birds from an abstract found here:

The mystery of the homing ability of pigeons has been the subject of much interest and it is widely believed that information from the earth's magnetic field may be involved. However, no specific magnetic sensory organ has yet been identified. The recent finding of magnetic materials in the lagenal otolith of fish and birds raises the possibility that these structures may be key elements in the elusive magnetic sensory system. [...] By comparing the compositions of the three different kinds of otoliths among several species of sea fish and birds, we found that the saccular and utricular otoliths rarely contain detectable levels of iron but that iron is present in significant quantities in the lagenal otoliths of the birds. The lagenal otolith comprises tiny magnetic particles of low inertia that are displaced by imposed magnetic fields, providing the animal with geomagnetic sensory input, from which the brain would infer navigational information.

 

[EGVG]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

I hate to say it, but I seem to remember some kind of conflict in Alaska, late 1990s wherein a whole bunch of animals with small heads died near the HAARP facility in Alaska. The event teetered onto the stage of a contentious fray over the safety of HAARP, back in the days of Jeanne Manning and Nick Begitch. I wish I had time to dig it up for you. It was not an obscure thing at the time if I recall.

Why do you hate to say it.....

I think it's just an expression, EGVG - usually meaning that whatever is said doesn't bode well or might be bad news. If I'm wrong, I'm sure Potamus will correct me.

Thanks Anart, I knew this expression, I was questioning the use of it :),like why would the information he is telling "doesn't bode well or might be bad news" that was what I was thinking about, why would he use that expression and then just say he can't dig up the case he mentions, besides we don't know if that particular case in 1990 has any legit evidence or studies to proof that what cause the deaths where HAARP related damages, that's it. :)


EDU

 

[Laura]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

Yes, very weird.

Sounds like the birds may have been victims of some kind of compression shock.

Quote
The disease vs. toxin argument regarding the deaths of the fish is explained by the fact that only Drum fish died. So, I asked myself (and Google), what was unusual, if anything, about the Drum fish.

Right at the top is this story. _http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1839/is-the-drum-fish-the-worlds-most-useless-fish
Turns out not only are they incredibly resilient to the point that people wonder why they -won't- die, they also use sound for reproduction, with special muscles that Drum against an inflatable bladder.
"The drum has an earbone called an "otolith" which has white enameled surfaces almost like ivory. These otoliths are sometimes made into jewelry and were kept by early people as lucky, protective amulets (presumably after they ate the fish). "

Given the "blunt force trauma" of airborne birds, and the killing of fish who use sound extensively, my thoughts turn to a more mundane explanation...some sort of sonic weapon test.

This would make sense then, about some type of compression shock,no?

Very good. I like it. Post it on my FB page as a comment to the article because it might stimulate others to think out of the box.

 

[Laura]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

Thanks Anart, I knew this expression, I was questioning the use of it :),like why would the information he is telling "doesn't bode well or might be bad news" that was what I was thinking about, why would he use that expression and then just say he can't dig up the case he mentions, besides we don't know if that particular case in 1990 has any legit evidence or studies to proof that what cause the deaths where HAARP related damages, that's it. :)


EDU

Hmmm... methinks you obsess too much over nitpicking and legalistic thinking. How about relaxing and just tuning in to the crux of the matter?

 

[EGVG]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

Thanks Anart, I knew this expression, I was questioning the use of it :),like why would the information he is telling "doesn't bode well or might be bad news" that was what I was thinking about, why would he use that expression and then just say he can't dig up the case he mentions, besides we don't know if that particular case in 1990 has any legit evidence or studies to proof that what cause the deaths where HAARP related damages, that's it. :)


EDU

Hmmm... methinks you obsess too much over nitpicking and legalistic thinking. How about relaxing and just tuning in to the crux of the matter?

Ok I'll try, I'll do my best I haven't been doing much EE lately too, thanks for pointing that out, I didn't notice.

EDU

 

[born2bewild]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

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Thank you Venusian for posting the map, I can't really see any relation, maybe it has to do with air and water flows...I dunno
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Maybe this map will help?

 

[Juba]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

Whatever is affecting this creatures seem to be affecting small animals only, mostly birds, crabs, and fishes. Haven't come across any reports of beached whales or dolphins. Don't these mammals use the earth's magnetic field for navigation as well?

I was thinking the same, birds are sensitive to EM, ocean mammals as well, according to COWRIE research (mesocosm study); certain fishes response to EMF, EM emissions from sub-sea electricity cables of the type used by the offshore energy industry, if fishes (Elasmobranchii is a subclass of Chondrichthyes or cartilaginous fishes, that includes the sharks (Selachimorpha) and the rays and skates (Batoidea)) are sensitive to artificially EMF, seems logical to conclude they feel earth EM as well, no?

The question that preoccupied my mind is: if these anomalies are artificially induced or natural occurrences???

 

[shijing]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

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Thank you Venusian for posting the map, I can't really see any relation, maybe it has to do with air and water flows...I dunno
...

Maybe this map will help?

I'm not sure what this map has to do with the one Venusian posted?

 

[Beau]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

The disease vs. toxin argument regarding the deaths of the fish is explained by the fact that only Drum fish died. So, I asked myself (and Google), what was unusual, if anything, about the Drum fish.

Right at the top is this story. _http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1839/is-the-drum-fish-the-worlds-most-useless-fish
Turns out not only are they incredibly resilient to the point that people wonder why they -won't- die, they also use sound for reproduction, with special muscles that Drum against an inflatable bladder.
"The drum has an earbone called an "otolith" which has white enameled surfaces almost like ivory. These otoliths are sometimes made into jewelry and were kept by early people as lucky, protective amulets (presumably after they ate the fish). "

I remember when I was younger we used to go fishing and catch sheephead and they would have those little white pearl-looking stones in their heads. We used to take them out when we would clean the fish. I never knew what the purpose of them were. But I can attest that drums are incredibly resilient. I once caught a carp that was out of the water for at least an hour. When we took it down to the river, as soon as it got in the water it swam away. Talk about tough!

 

[born2bewild]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

...
Thank you Venusian for posting the map, I can't really see any relation, maybe it has to do with air and water flows...I dunno
...

Maybe this map will help?

I'm not sure what this map has to do with the one Venusian posted?

I will try to explain.
Well, if Laura is on the right track with her own rumor, ;) targeting is key which connect maps and we people are the target. Of course not physically. :)
So...
1. It has to be in media whole over the world.
2. In order to achieve that it has to be done in populated areas, but not to populated because it will be difficult not to leave the "traces".
3. It has to look like Apocalypse approaching brrr... but it's not bad if it will look like an ecological disaster. Because you know pollution and global warming... and other lies.
4. Where it can be done?
In Sahara? Nooooo...
In Arkansas? Yes!
But maybe I'm totally wrong.
and... sorry for my bad English.

 

[shijing]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

I will try to explain.
Well, if Laura is on the right track with her own rumor, ;) targeting is key which connect maps and we people are the target. Of course not physically. :)
So...
1. It has to be in media whole over the world.
2. In order to achieve that it has to be done in populated areas, but not to populated because it will be difficult not to leave the "traces".
3. It has to look like Apocalypse approaching brrr... but it's not bad if it will look like an ecological disaster. Because you know pollution and global warming... and other lies.
4. Where it can be done?
In Sahara? Nooooo...
In Arkansas? Yes!
But maybe I'm totally wrong.
and... sorry for my bad English.

OK, thanks for explaining, and I understand why you chose the map now. And your English is fine :)

 

[combsbt]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

Here is a Google Maps with locations of current animal death incidents-

The link is _http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=201817256339889828327.0004991bca25af104a22b&ll=28.921631%2C5.273438&spn=141.542315%2C12.304687&z=2&iwloc=0004991c2e41cf55affcb

There is detail and reference to news stories, etc at the link.

I can't get it to work for some reason.

What I'd like to know is the TIMING of each event and if the events moved like a wave across the planet as it rotated.

I looked through the dates given in the articles to see if there was any sort of pattern. Turns out, it's really hard to tell. Some articles give dates of discovery of the dead animals while others do not. Some say die offs have been going on for multiple days with some of the repeating incidents spanning over the past month. Nevertheless I made a little animated thingy showing approximately when these reports came up as best as i could. This data is not definite and certainly there is not enough of it to make a decent analysis, but here's what I made with what I had.

It doesn't appear that there is any sort of wave pattern except between the 27th of December and the 2nd of January it appears that reports move west to east across the US.

Hopefully this animated gif thing works, and sorry for the terribly amaturish quality of this.

_http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/64d8419577.gif

 

[Tomek]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

Thanks for the gif, Ask_a_debtor !

 

[davey72]

Re: Arkansas game officials probe mystery of falling birds

Hi RyanX,
I don't know if a change in the terrestrial magnetic field can cause a sudden and very localized death for birds. If it was the case, the birds will follow a wrong route and die from exhaustion.
I remember having read in the late 80's in a sovietic digest (called "spoutnik" at the time) about some research about "ball lightnings", a sort of very localized electric discharges following a gas formation in the atmosphere. It seams that it was very common in the middle ages (where some people would see these electrical balls rolling in the streets and attacking houses or people - interpreted as the devil as it should), and i wonder if it is not related to some cometary activity at that time (disruption of the gaseous composition of the atmosphere + electric activity).
Here is an illustration i found in weakipedia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Ball_lightning.png

Hmm, interesting. Makes me think of a time when i was a kid with a racetrack that took batteries. I didnt have batteries, so i cut the wires and shaped them so that they would fit in the electrical socket down in the basement, on a concrete floor. when i stuck them in there was a min i explosion,and a burst of elecricity shot out and landed on the floor. It rolled itself into a ball and starting making a vortex. It started going faster as it went around and towards the center, all the while it was dissipating, until it finally dissapeared as it got to the center. I thought it was the coolest thing at the time, but never did it again.
Perhaps off the topic, but i thought it might give some food for thought. :)