Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Subcriminal Psychopathy?

[brainwave]

We all need to "eat" but the abberation of psychopaths seems to be that both innate and acquired resources that can be devoted to other pursuits are devoted exclusively to feeding behavior. For most of us here this is nothing new, but it means we may get a better understanding of their "uncanny knowledge" about regular folks by looking at the neurobiology of feeding. Many studies on ethology see stalking and predatory/aggressive behavior as a subset of feeding behavior. So even if the animal does not eat it's prey, the behavior is derived from a need to feed. As such, there are both innate and learned components. There is an energy trade off and the psychopath doesn't seem to grasp that ALL one's energies need not be about feeding.

 

[kenlee]

I don't have time to elaborate but I found an interesting excerpt from the book 'Trapped In A Mirror' by Elan Golomb that very well expresses that "stare of contempt" that could literally freeze a person in their tracks.
I think its an excellent description of a kind of "hard wire connection" in some people where they cannot learn anything new (make new connections in the brain) but can only 'adapt' by control and aggression.

Trapped In A Mirror by p185

We are raised under our parents ignoring and scrutinizing gimlet-eyed gaze, hard, divisive, and isolating. The eye ignores what is important to us if that does not coincide with our parents values. Their eyes are like laser beams, seeking out points of interest in us. They apply concepts of "flaw" and "fame" to what they evaluate. Growing up in such a regime, one feels like a bug beneath a microscope and at the same time a child forgotten in a dusty alley. The glance that ferrets out and focus on their interest, that applies the label "good" or "bad," pushes us into an emotionally alienated state.

We internalize the quest for our flaws and watch ourselves in an evaluative and rejecting way. Hateful scrutiny stops us in our tracks and turns our spontaneity to paralysis. Exploration ceases along with performance of things we love to do or only for the hell of it. We constrict ourselves to get away from parental criticism, and constriction gives us a lifeless quality.

All children need the beneficial glance of what I call the rounded eye, one that does not focus on and evaluate parts of our being. The rounded eye looks on all unconditionally. It gives us acceptance and heals the damage of our upbringing. Points of light are those situations, animals, people who respond directly and positively to the child. The child may not call it a healing event but something about it sticks. It remains in his memory and is turned to when he feels abject despair on in need of hope. From what happened, his life became more livable. His self-worth was seen and reinforced.

 

[seek10]

Your observations are very profound. I lived with a narcissistic man who also had borderline personality disorder. He began, after a few months to point out sexual observations that seemed innocuous at first but were all too frequent and became over time inappropriate or completly out of context to the true situation.. He acted as if I was reading something unreasonable into his comments but often times I would be stunned into silence , looking for an explanation on the beach and he would say "bet he is thinking about how he's going to get in her pants". These were kids about 11 years of age. When I had first met him, he was an epiphany of of adulthood. Very mature. It was like he went out of his way to shock me. It did. The gift giving section was exactly as you said except if you displeased him he would either destroy what he had given you as if by accident or take it back. On important occasions like my birthday, , he would give me things like a pin that had little blinking lights on it or a 2.00 pen with my name on it. When it was his occasion, he asked me for things that were outragously expensive. Things I would not buy for myself due to expense. He acted entitled to these things and if he didn't get them he became mean and acted dissapointed for weeks. I always felt inadequate around him and after a while, started to loose my self esteme. He didn't care and even seemed pleased when I was hurt. I didn't realize then that there were people incapable of feeling love . A lack of basic empathy..... Then he started stealing petty things from our supermarket. I had had enough and left him but do you think he left me alone. NOT.......He tried to act as if he had feelings suddenly to draw me back in. I fell for it...... Then he changed back into this monster. One day when he didn't like the way I folded his laundry, he had a tantrum and treated me like a dumb, incompetant. He told me to get out of my own room, throwing the folded clothes at me as I left. Well I came back in to get my purse and as I was leaving, I put my hand on the door jamb. He lunged up to slam me out of the room and took off my left index finger at the knuckle. He acted like he felt bad but I never spent another day with him. When I moved out to get away from him, he stayed in the empty house on a blanket on the floor until I listed it with a realtor who threw him out. I am still humiliated that I was so stupid. I thought I could tell a good guy from a bad one but I was wrong.
Leslie k.

One more factor in to the equation is covert aggressive behaviours , which any body can use whether they have consciousness/ empathy or not. of course pyschopaths use more of these covert aggressive behaviour than others.

How DO they know exactly what to say or do or how to act to fool people so completely? Their uncanny ability to project or mirror whatever traits they need in order to get what they want must come from somewhere.

If the psychopath could really experience real empathy, he wouldn't be a psychopath, I think. But again, there is that problem of "how do they do what they do???"

I observed this number of times and felt 'if they have the unconscious apparatus for decoding the others drained emotional energy' they can identify what is there in others persons mind. but based on what I have seen, They spend extra ordninary amount of time ( to the point of disbelief for others ) in stalking, laying out plans, experimenting these techniques on different people. suprisingly they find people like them, both perfect the art unconsciously on each other with a hope to gain some thing. This is reflected in many of the movies, TV serial characters etc. , thus legitimised to the point of as only existed reality. Yes it is true for some poeple,

 

[dant]

My daughter and I were having a discussion and we were talking
about the following:

Definitions:
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1) Narcissist: Has no empathy, but has consciousness
2) Psychopaths: Has no empathy and has no consciousness

She disagreed with the definition of (2) above and states:

"If you have no consciousness, then you are a psychopath,
but it does not necessarily mean that if you are a psychopath,
you do not have consciousness."

So... consequently the logic is: "If a, then b. But it does not
necessarily follow that If b, then a."

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

"If you have no consciousness, then you are a psychopath,
but it does not necessarily mean that if you are a psychopath,
you do not have consciousness."

I think if you are a psychopath, then you really truly do not have empathy and "consciousness" - by definition. But if you simply act like a psychopath it does not mean you truly are a natural psychopath because many people in this world are conditioned by the psychopathic system to act like psychopaths, and that this is "good" and "normal", but in reality, they are not natural psychopaths, just repressing their empathy to please the system because it rewards this behavior.

Having said that, I think "consciousness" is probably everywhere so a psychopath doesn't lack "consciousness" exactly but probably a certain "level" of consciousness, specifically, the level where empathy exists. 4th density STS are conscious STS - but they are not psychopaths - psychopaths have no choice to be anything else, they are machines. 4th density STS chose their existance, and can choose at any time to be STO - something that actual psychopaths cannot do at all. And this is a crucial difference, so if someone IS a psychopath, something that is often very hard to tell, it is wishful thinking at best to think that they can ever change or choose not to be.

There's also a difference between normal people who repress their empathy at the behest of our psychopathic system, and actual conscious STS. These "normal people" have empathy, but they are not really conscious either. Unlike psychopaths, they actually have the potential to develop their consciousness and become conscious, become aware of the choice between STS and STO and consciously make that choice. But they have not yet done so, they are simply manipulated by the "system" to imitate actual psychopaths with very little choice or understanding of what they are doing and why. If you take the percentage of the population that IS conscious, which as you probably know is very very small, and then further take the percentage of those conscious and truly awake individuals who have consciously chosen the STS path - this number is even tinier, then you can tell that the overwhelmingly vast majority of people who are "bad" in this world are either natural psychopaths or simply normal people who were manipulated by psychopaths into repressing their empathy due to the disproportionately huge influence of the psychopaths on the world. But practically none of them are actual "conscious STS".

Thinking about it, it would seem that conscious STS can only come from the 94% of people who are not psychopaths because actual psychopaths cannot consciously choose STS or anything else for that matter, they are machines. So the person has to first of all become truly conscious and aware of the choice between STS and STO, and second of all consciously make the choice of STS and so consciously repress their empathy - which is already there naturally. That's a tiny tiny number of people who are probably at the top of the power pyramid - like the king and queen on the chessboard, with the psychopaths and everyone else being their pawns who don't know any better. Only 94% of the pawns have the potential not to be pawns, but 6% have no such option any more than your vacuum cleaner can stop being a vacuum cleaner, osit.

There's also the issue of "organic portals" though - who are not conscious but not psychopaths either. They have empathy, it is just very shallow/limited empathy, but nevertheless, they mean well and are not psychopaths. So the idea that if you have no consciousness then you are a psychopath appears to be contradicted by the reality of organic portals. For the record, the C's referred to psychopaths as "failed organic portals".

 

[ArdVan]

My daughter and I were having a discussion and we were talking
about the following:

I don't know why you were talking about this with your daughter and how old she is. If you were talking about protecting yourself from a psychopath or even a person who may have a conscience but is now acting like a psychopath, then I would say that it doesn't matter. You don't have the time to find out IMO. You just want to save yourself from such people.

 

[dant]

We wanted to be clear exactly what the definition is of a Narcissist
and a Psychopath and how consciousness interplays into the drama,
and from what I can tell, there is not only white, and black but a LOT
of gray in between?

 

[Fifth Way]

4th density STS chose their existance, and can choose at any time to be STO

How do you know that? Do you have data to back up that claim?

If you take the percentage of the population that IS conscious, which as you probably know is very very small, and then further take the percentage of those conscious and truly awake individuals who have consciously chosen the STS path - this number is even tinier

How do you know that? Do you have data to back up that claim?

 

[Adaryn]

4th density STS chose their existance, and can choose at any time to be STO

How do you know that? Do you have data to back up that claim?

Well I'm not SAO, but : if we, as 3rd densitiy STS beings can any time choose to be STO (and that is what the C's say, "it's when you choose that count", and "we always have the power to go home"), I can't see why 4th density couldn't, though it would certainly get more and more difficult as they graduate higher and higher in the STS hierarchy.

If you take the percentage of the population that IS conscious, which as you probably know is very very small, and then further take the percentage of those conscious and truly awake individuals who have consciously chosen the STS path - this number is even tinier

How do you know that? Do you have data to back up that claim?

Well, from some excerpts of the material on cass.org, we can deduce that as it's easier to choose STO in order to graduate, it's probably more frequent to graduate to 4th D STO than to 4th D STS. Choosing fully and consciously the STS path is a ticket to 4th D STS; and apparently it's very difficult to achieve that purity of evil (according to Ra as well).

Here are some data taken from the Wave :

Note that the nature of the soul is fundamentally changed by changing not only the ORIENTATION of the basic units and orientation has to do with CHANGING frequencies. And the process of changing orientation or frequency is dependent on increasing the data within the basic units; making them more "dense." Vibrational Frequencies change with increase of density of data.

Increase of data changes the frequency in a natural way from the orientation of STS to that which is closer to STO which results in a reduction in Mass and Spring Constant which means that less energy must be input from the Forced Oscillator in order to produce Frequency Resonance Vibration!

This is why it is "easier" to increase amplitude via the STO alignment. This is why it is "easier" to graduate to 4th density via the STO alignment. This is also WHY all the dampers and controls are held so tightly in place. The STS gang do not WANT humans to graduate to 4th density and that is why they create beliefs and illusions and controls that are designed to induce us to make STS choices no matter what we do. As long as we believe lies, we are aligned with STS. As long as we are aligned with STS, our Mass and Spring Constant make it impossible for us to increase our amplitude for graduation.

And this points up another fact. In order to graduate to 4th density via the STS pathway, several conditions must be met. First, nearly ALL of the dampers to STS, or STO inclinations of the individual, must be removed to increase the potential for amplification. Second, the natural frequency of the individual, which we already know is a function of choice, must be so close to the pure STS frequency as to be almost identical in order for the Forced Oscillation from the higher density Thought Center to have any effect at all. This means that the degree and depth of depravity, malignity, malevolence, degeneration and contraction must be VERY pure in the individual.

Cassiopaeans: We wish to review some things... The concept of a "master race" put forward by the Nazis was merely a 4th density STS effort to create a physical vehicle with the correct frequency resonance vibration for 4th density STS souls to occupy in 3rd density. It was also a "trial run" for planned events in what you perceive to be your future.
Q: (L) You mean with a strong STS frequency so they can have a "vehicle" in 3rd density, so to speak?
A: Correct. Frequency resonance vibration! Very important.
Q: (L) So, that is why they are programming and experimenting? And all these folks running around who some think are "programmed," could be individuals who are raising their nastiness levels high enough to accommodate the truly negative STS 4th density - sort of like walk-ins or something, only not nice ones?
A: You do not have very many of those present yet, but that was, and still is, the plan of some of the 4th density STS types.

When you "grok" the level of STS that has to be present in an individual in order to GRADUATE to 4th density STS, the "purity" of the evil - the consciousness of it - well, it is a pretty horrifying thought. It's like Ted Bundy, Albert Fish, Ed Gein, and Jeffrey Dahmer all rolled into one and amplified exponentially! Not only that, SMARTER! Such beings would not have the damping effect of any STO frequencies on the STS frequency; efforts would be made to reduce, or eliminate entirely, any residual STO inclinations which might act to "expose" them in their moments of STO "weakness." That is TRULY scary. Something we need to keep in mind. Such a being would be able to ACT in any way they chose, without glitches that "give them away," to disarm and deceive in order to get their prey where they want them.

Now, acc. to the C's, increasing the number of these purely evil individuals who consciously choose to align with STS, was and is still the plan of 4th D STS. How many do we have here ? That's the question!

 

[PopHistorian]

Prayers for rain wrote:

if we, as 3rd densitiy STS beings can any time choose to be STO... I can't see why 4th density couldn't, though it would certainly get more and more difficult as they graduate higher and higher in the STS hierarchy.

If I understand this comment correct, it is not so, according to Ra, who was very clear that the further one progresses along either path, the easier it is to switch polarity.

QUESTIONER: I assume that an entity on either path can decide to change paths at any time and possibly retrace steps, the path changing being more difficult the farther along the path the change is made. Is this correct?

RA: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have.

Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition or the meaning of the pattern.

 

[ArdVan]

Here's the part according to the C's. It seems that once you are 4th density STO, you don't want to be 4th density STS again.

Q: (T) Once you are in 4th density, if you choose STS, can you change it to STO?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So you can move back and forth as you so desire and it is all still free will?
A: If you move from STS to STO in 4th level, you don't move back.
Q: (T) Once you are STS in 4th density you have to stay there? (L) No. (J) If you move from STS to STO in 4th density you don't go back to STS, you stay at STO, is that correct? (T) That's what I mean, once you have decided to do STO, that's where you stay because you don't have any desire to go back to STS?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So, it is not so much that you don't have a choice, it is just that you don't want to go back to STS?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) So if you move up and do what the Lizards are doing, then you continue to do that until you get tired of it or see different, or become
enlightened and then move to STO and then that's where you will want to stay?
A: Open.
Q: (T) Can you move from STO back to STS? I know you said you can't, but that's because you choose not to?
A: Natural factors prohibit this.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

4th density STS chose their existance, and can choose at any time to be STO

How do you know that? Do you have data to back up that claim?

Well I only say that because 4th density is a realm of higher awareness/knowledge, and as a result, free will. If it's not, then I'm referring to whatever realm is of "higher awareness/knowledge". The polarity of STS or STO can be consciously chosen once we're capable to make that choice, and that requires awareness of the choice (at the very least). It seems logical that at 4th density (or whatever realm is one of higher awareness) we're more aware of the nature of this choice than we currently are, and not less aware, and so due to that awareness, have more ability to choose instead of less ability. So most people on this planet cannot make that choice because they are lacking the knowledge, so it just makes logical sense that a realm of higher knowledge of objective reality increases one's ability to choose.

If you take the percentage of the population that IS conscious, which as you probably know is very very small, and then further take the percentage of those conscious and truly awake individuals who have consciously chosen the STS path - this number is even tinier

How do you know that? Do you have data to back up that claim?

Which claim exactly? That most people on the planet are asleep? Or that the number of conscious STS is smaller than the total number of conscious people? Well the first part I know just as you or anyone else who is not fully asleep knows. The second part is just logical, osit. I don't know if there are more conscious STO than conscious STS though - for that I have no data. RA and the C's give food for thought in that regard. The thing is though, once you are conscious, you can no longer justify your actions as "good" like you did when you were unconscious and did STS things. You know what is STS, you don't pretend it is STO and deny the reality of what you do - otherwise you're still asleep and don't know what you are doing, and so not conscious. So I mean of all those who no longer pretend and know exactly who they are and what they do, from that group, take those who are consciously STS. It's just not a very large group of humanity. Neither is the conscious STO of course.

 

[Ryan]

Let's try to keep on topic, huh? The more metaphysical stuff has been/can be discussed in other threads. ;)

 

[Fifth Way]

Thanks All,

for the elaborations. I am now more confused. But that is a good state as it provides for better learning. I need to re-read everything with more clarity.

Let's try to keep on topic, huh? The more metaphysical stuff has been/can be discussed in other threads.

Very well. :D

 

[Guest]

We all need to "eat" but the abberation of psychopaths seems to be that both innate and acquired resources that can be devoted to other pursuits are devoted exclusively to feeding behavior. [...] There is an energy trade off and the psychopath doesn't seem to grasp that ALL one's energies need not be about feeding.

Without meaning to disagree with you, I think this focus on "eating" side-tracks your thinking and distracts the reader. May a suggest a similar but more generably applicable tack?

It's been argued that individuals who have grown up in socially empoverished environments come to see others as belonging to two classes: those who are seeking to conquer and exploit, and those who are to be conquered and exploited. To develop this in the light of Kant: we can come to see others as means to an end ... our ends, or someone else's end.

It's been written often enough that a purely utilitarian view of life is joyless. And even more often how, focussing exclusively on our own wants and needs, we don't fulfill even them very well.

Perhaps in some exotic theory of dynamics all interaction can be depicted as "feeding", but the metaphor, I suggest, doesn't help us cope with how we are so regularly and routinely motivated by narrow fear and short-sighted appetite.

regards
c.t