New Show: MindMatters (RIP Truth Perspective)

Thank You, Harrison, for the amazing show!!
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MindMatters: It's Full of Life: Philosophy of ET with Andrew Davis

Astrophilosophy. Exotheology. Whitehead. Andrew Davis is the program director for the Center for Process Studies. A philosopher and theologian, his latest work is on the metaphysics of exo-life. Today on MindMatters we discuss his work on...
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Star Trek is full of intelligent astronomical phenomena and large space entities. I'm glad I wasn't the only one, who came up with the idea. Transcript from the amazing show at - see video below:
- I don't know if you are familiar with Lucien Price’s Dialogues of Alfred North Whitehead. .. About the possibilities of life being infinite in the universe. The scales and spectrum of life running from universes as small as an atom to those as larger as the nebula being sentient entity. This is a statement he makes.
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lilies said:
Your consciousness is still there, I think, but instead of "unified at 7thD as One" its dispersed now in 1st Density. Maybe recycling as some kind of a large Oversoul, encompassing an entire smart galaxy or "nebula with a faint '7D Intelligence Imprint'".
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Though we were only just getting our feet wet in this newest show topic, it seemed like there was plenty to discuss!

MindMatters: Do NPCs Have an Inner Monologue? Discussing the 5 Pristine Inner Experiences​


Self-talk. Visualizations. Bodily awareness. Unconscious thought processes. In our day-to-day course of existence our minds assimilate, respond and react to any number of stimuli from within - and without. But how often do we stop to consider just how we do this and what faculties of apprehension are actually put to use? And do we even have a framework, vocabulary and level of awareness from which to do it?

Inner speech (inner monologue), inner vision, sensory awareness, emotions and unsymbolized thinking are all categories that, according to psychologist and researcher Russell T. Hurlburt, can help one come to know what one's "pristine inner experience" is. Along with such a framework and the research inspired by it come many questions. What does it mean to be "in the moment"? Do all people use all categories of inner experience with the same frequency? How are we used to describing our inner experiences to ourselves and to others? Were personages like Gurdjieff on to something when he encouraged people to observe themselves?

Join us this week on MindMatters as we question the many assumptions, presuppositions, and mediations that come between cognizance of individual inner experience, and a relative state of unawareness regarding just what makes us tick.
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Gosh, what a great show guys! Does bulimia cause fractured multiplicity of thought or does fractured multiplicity of thought cause bulimia (or any other escapism)? "Don't know!" but it does give new meaning to thinking with your gut! While I certainly had a vague understanding that people had different inner thought patterns, I was shocked about just how different it could be. I look forward to buying Russell's book and future shows as I think this topic will take a few tries to wrap my head around the implications.
 
Great show as always guys! thanks for getting my thought chunks in motion :)

Just some thoughts and questions I had while watching.

Do our thought chunks (love the term) integrate all of our I's? or does it depend on what emotional state we are in, I assume it varies?

Is self remembering a way to integrate and articulate our inner experience? or does the act itself change the inner dialogue? By paying attention to our inner dialogue do we affect it I guess is my question.

Harrisons comment on writing a substack article or music, being fully formed and then making it fit, got me thinking. I've always looked at my musical gifts as a sort of channeling, it flows through me, and my experience colours it, and the best thing I can do is get out of the way and let it come through without thinking about too much, the flow state as it's often called. Maybe this is why I find being creative so relaxing, as it turns off the inner monologue, so, like with most things, is it good to have balance between being aware of it and let it be? Is it the unconscious being made into 3D and skipping the thinking apparatus?

Understanding a shape of a thought, as Luc talked about, is that like the left brain right brain thing? the right brain sees holistically, the whole, while the left only sees in parts and has a much shallower focus.

Another thought I had was, in some of therapy/coaching sessions, I have been asked when I experienced anxiety, what was I thinking at the time, sometimes I can remember and point to a thought that caused it and sometimes I have no idea, or I don't remember anything in my inner landscape that was going on that could have triggered it. Would this be an unsymbolised thought? As Luc pointed out, understanding these things can certainly help to subdue the anxiety reaction, but, I was thinking, that if you make the unsymbolised thoughts that may be causing these experiences, somehow manifest, what would you find? and if you could, would naming them, and understanding them reduce the experience to a greater extent?

apologies if these questions are bit all over the place, I was having these thoughts while watching you guys discuss this.
 
Yeah, great show! Interesting timing as well. On an unrelated note, I found a clip where the right wing comedian and vlogger Owen Benjamin admitted that he has no inner monologue, and he has gotten some ribbing about being an NPC. He says it protects him from demons, claiming that if at any time they tried to whisper things in his head he'd immediately notice. :whistle: I've seen one of his Flat Earth videos, and this recent discovery of mine does tie the whole lovely package together (warning, some F-bombs):
https://twitter.com/x/status/1721764213847388261
 
987baz said:
Another thought I had was, in some of therapy/coaching sessions, I have been asked when I experienced anxiety, what was I thinking at the time, sometimes I can remember and point to a thought that caused it and sometimes I have no idea, or I don't remember anything in my inner landscape that was going on that could have triggered it. Would this be an unsymbolised thought?
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Haven’t watched the show yet but I’m looking forward to it.

On the above, I thought that I was very self-aware, and when attempting to identify thought patterns or processes that triggered my anxiety, I couldn’t think of any in the beginning and so I thought that my anxiety must be solely a physical problem.

But through subsequent self-observation, I’ve found that there are indeed thought patterns, or underlying thought patterns (perhaps more subconscious), that trigger it. Beliefs about the way things should be, or the way I should respond, that lead to anger, frustration or exasperation.

My anxiety is/was always triggered in situations at work, where the work load would build up, or I was already busy and then management would come along and decide they were going to change a process, or ask me to do something extra. The fuse would light inside me and I would feel it burning away, and then an internal emotional explosion would follow.

I know now that my underlying thought processes and/or beliefs were causing it: “Oh, for God’s sake!”, “I don’t have time for this!”, “This is stupid!”, “This isn’t fair, don’t they know how busy I already am?!”, “This is ridiculous. What I’m being asked to do is impossible and it’s a waste of time anyway. There’s no need for it!” But these thought patterns weren’t really verbal - I just know that they fit the ‘flavour’ and are the roots of what was triggering my emotional and physical responses. The term you used from the show - unsymbolised thought - sounds like a good descriptor.

So I changed my reactions. I realised, why on Earth am I making such a big deal out of these things? I’m making myself ill. These things simply don’t matter. I just try to always remain calm and relaxed now and not let the snowball start rolling down the hill, picking up speed and mass until it becomes a wrecking ball.

I guess it’s Gurdjieff’s practice of non-identification: not identifying with the things that are happening around us so that we lose ourselves in them, and through that, hand control of our inner world over to external things.
 
987baz said:
I was thinking, that if you make the unsymbolised thoughts that may be causing these experiences, somehow manifest, what would you find? and if you could, would naming them, and understanding them reduce the experience to a greater extent?
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Mine would have been things like:

“Everything should be organised and done perfectly so that there are never any problems”

“I am responsible for everything and so I need to fix everything as quickly and perfectly as possible”

“My work is serious and everyone else should take their work as seriously as I do”

“Other people should consider me all the time and read my mind so I don’t have to tell them how I’m feeling and what I’m thinking”

If I sat and thought about it I could probably come up with many more along these lines. But I would definitely say that identifying and naming them is super-important, because you can’t start to see things differently until you really understand how you are seeing things now.
 
T.C. said:
Mine would have been things like:

“Everything should be organised and done perfectly so that there are never any problems”
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It’s interesting that you use the word perfect. I was in a session talking about my “trigger” and my coach said don’t think just speak from the inner child, because I couldn’t quite articulate what caused it. The first thing I said was, I’m going to embarrass myself because I’m not perfect!

I agree that it is Important to name and understand these unsymbolised thoughts, if understand the concept correctly, as it helps identify what “other” parts of us are “thinking” and feeling. In the end It seems to me that our thoughts and emotions are all tied up together, one can produce a response from the other and vice versa and if we are not aware of not only what is being thought/felt but which part and to a lesser extent why then we can get frustrated by the fact that there seems to be no reason why, if that makes sense.
 
Ennio said:
We’ve had few guests who are as erudite, clued-in and open-minded as Arthur Versluis. And I’m really, really, really (really) ;-) hoping that his book American Gnosis, becomes available in soft cover (sooner rather than later) so that whoever finds this material interesting can get their hands on it and soak up what he’s saying. For now though, enjoy the discussion; we have so enjoyed reading, speaking with, and listening to this guy! As Arthur says at the end of the interview: “These things are worth exploring.’ And we wholeheartedly agree.

MindMatters: Arthur Versluis: The Neo-Gnostics vs. Pathocracy​




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I was reading American Gnosis last night and one sleepy thought I had was how clearly Arthur demonstrates that Gnosis is and has been pervasive throughout the US. Interestingly, Gnosis in its broadest sense, perfectly outlines what we have learned from the Cassiopaeians and the forum:

1. Hostile Cosmos (STS realm)
2. A demiurge, or ignorant creator (Nordics tinkering with Human DNA, STS wishful thinking)
3. Dualism (STO vs. STS)
4. Elaborate Mythology (The fall, Atlantis, Younger Drayas, ect.)
5. Myths concerning Sophia, wisdom, and/or fall and restoration (Garden of Eden, Maidens of the Well, Paul, Caesar, Laura, and the many mentions of graduation to 4d being, "Ecstasy", "Glory to All!" ect.)
6. Belief in a hidden god - not the demiurge (Belief in the C's and other unseen forces)
7. Challenges in spiritual growth due to Archons or other hostile powers (Witting or unwitting agents, Psychopaths, Lizzies, Greys, Undergrounders)
8. Existence of the ogdoad, or eight spheres and possibility of transcendance (Connecting Charkas as a means of transcendence. I don't think charkas are commonly discussed on the forum, but have been mentioned many times as important by the C's)
9. The necessity of gnosis, or direct spiritual knowledge from the realm of light (the C's. How far would we have gotten without them?)
10. A revealer or redeemer figure to show the way to the realm of light. (Redundant, but the Forum, Laura, C's again)

What I found cool about that is that for Gnosticism to be pervasive throughout the US, a lot of people, if only subconsciously, have at least a rough outline of the true nature of our reality and what we are up against. Before reading this book, if someone had asked me, "How many people in the US do you think have a rough understanding of the hyperdimensional prison we live in?" I would have answered, "Easily less than 1%". But now that I have read most of American Gnosis, I would think that guess quite wrong. Perhaps it is much higher? I'm not sure, but the thought gives me hope.
 
As a follow up to our last show, and A Jay's questions in the most recent Session, the crew had a chance to interview the inner speech/inner experience research expert himself...

MindMatters: The Varieties of Inner Experience with Russ Hurlburt


Inner speaking, inner seeing, feelings, sensory awareness, unsymbolized thinking. Do we all have the same inner experiences? And how aware are we of what we actually experience from moment to moment?

In this episode of Mind Matters, we interview Dr. Russell T. Hurlburt, a pioneering psychologist from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. Dr. Hurlburt discusses his groundbreaking work investigating "pristine inner experience" - the unfiltered, moment-to-moment contents of our consciousness. He introduces his innovative method, Descriptive Experience Sampling, which aims to capture and analyze inner experiences with the aid of specialized beeper and an in-depth interview process.

This episode provides a unique perspective on the study of human consciousness and the complexities of inner experience. Dr. Hurlburt's insights shed light on the importance of understanding our internal mental processes and how they relate to our self-representations. Whether you're a psychology enthusiast, a student of cognitive science, or simply curious about the workings of the human mind, this interview provides valuable insights into cutting-edge research on consciousness and experience.
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Fascinating show! Seems we have more questions than answers atm .. hopefully Russ gets some more interested parties , would be great to see some the Hare to come to the party
 
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