New Show: MindMatters (RIP Truth Perspective)

[Voyageur]

Fascinating show!

Sure was, and it started quietly and grew more animated and deep. The closing hour brought a lot more out, including so much that is unanswerable at the present time (Harrison segued to psychopathology, which was good, although revealing that no work (testing) was done on it). The latter unanswerable, is perhaps due in part to what Russell had said from the 90's, that he thought so many would pick up this work and that's it, yet they did not, and that was another question without particular answer. So, one might imagine that that alone is troubling, because so much makes sense - and people were being helped, in ways that traditional practitioners don't go. This also seems (you guys may have a better sense), that although his peers raved about the subjects interestingness, that they just went along their own different accounting paths and never used it, which would be disappointing for Russell.

There is so much to think on here.

Well done guys!

End note on the 700 beeper frequency he uses, had read here (FCC) that it became a sought after frequency band (not just the 700):

The location of the 700 MHz Band -- just above the remaining TV broadcast channels -- gives it excellent propagation characteristics. This allows the 700 MHz signals to penetrate buildings and walls easily and to cover larger geographic areas with less infrastructure (relative to frequencies in higher bands).

The main thing may be in its ability to pernitrate and propagate, which might make sense in why Russell used it (was not exactly sure why this became important other than it required a quick tone rise, he said).

 

[hiker]

Thanks for the interesting interview!

It would be pretty cool, if Russ could send you the info and instructions about the beta version of the "beeper" (to be used on one's phone as an app, if I understood correctly), and you could then give him feedback about it. Hopefully he will be able to publish it at some point.

It sounds like the beeper alone would not cut it, and it would be important to have the "interview" as well: one should tell someone (a capable person) about the inner experiences taking place when the beeper went off.

Perhaps writing/journaling about them could work as a "compromise", but in that case one's particular blind spots would blur the picture, as Russ explained.

At the bare minimum, the beeper going off could work as a reminder to be present and to self-remember/observe.

(If memory serves, MindMatters interviewed a guy who was a pro regarding Work (perhaps it was Joseph Azize or Alan Francis), who mentioned that a device producing a sound at random intervals could be used for this purpose.)

 

[Miracle]

My main take away from his book and interview so far is what is causing the purging in bulimia patients? If I am not mistaken, pursuit of some ideal female beauty standard is not what is causing the purging. It is the fragmented multiplicity of thought that bulimia patients seek relief from when they purge, with pursuit of idealized female beauty standard taking the role of a justification or rationalization. If that is correct, I think that makes a pretty good depiction of the process of negative thought loops and the work. Take bulimia out of the picture and I'd ask, "do we all mentally purge?". As an example, when I have a moment when I am being severely and irrationally self critical, is "mental purging" of that nature necessary to bring balance to my thought patterns and provide relief? If the above is correct, it really is no wonder that his descriptive experience sampling (DES) process improves the conditions of his volunteers. Instead of using therapy to disabuse a bulimia patient of their obsession with idealized female beauty standards, Russ is going directly to the source of the issue, fragmented multiplicity of thought. Another example, I could be obsessed with disabusing myself of being overly self critical, but the entire time it was due to fragmented multiplicity of thought or whatever my mental tick is, as frankly I don't know what it is!

Russ makes it perfectly clear that nobody knows how they actually think. If, "I think therefore I am" and, "Know thyself" is the key to the work, how do we know who we are if we don't know how we think? I think that question is a bit hyperbolic as clearly the work as laid out here in Laura's work and the forum (To learn is to suffer, one infinite school) is a process that grows self-awareness, but I think the question remains valid nonetheless. I'd argue that it is evident that Russ's DES is a very powerful tool for self awareness.

Prior to the podcast when I started reading his book, my initial reaction to DES was revulsion. It is so intrusive to one's privacy. "Nobody is allowed to see my innermost, unfiltered thoughts!". A few chapters later, my attitude completely flip flopped to, "I need to do this!". I did at one point look up if there was an app but couldn't find it. Pleased to hear he was working on one despite some challenges and that it is possible that an app may become available at some point.

Last thought, while reading his book I became aware that when reading I primarily hear the words in my head and occasionally switch to mental imagery when a scene is being depicted. Just by observing that in myself I felt like I became a more focused reader. It was like the sound of each word was louder and clearer in my head because I was more focused on that experience. Prior to this observation I don't think I was aware that I heard all the words in my head when reading. I just read. It's an absolute mind melter to think how much of my daily life is consumed with tasks that I have no idea how I am experiencing them.

 

[genero81]

I think this definitely has potential for the Work. There's so many processes that are taking place below the level of the apprehending awareness that can lend itself to delusions, lying to oneself, assumptions, etc. I agree that we need a device or app that works sufficiently to work with and experiment with.

Russ is actually a great example himself of the potential good that can come about by making more conscious one's inner experience. He's very discerning in what he says he knows and doesn't know for example.

 

[A Jay]

Russ is going directly to the source

Which is what makes Russ' work so insightful and profound.

Russ makes it perfectly clear that nobody knows how they actually think. If, "I think therefore I am" and, "Know thyself" is the key to the work, how do we know who we are if we don't know how we think? I think that question is a bit hyperbolic as clearly the work as laid out here in Laura's work and the forum (To learn is to suffer, one infinite school) is a process that grows self-awareness, but I think the question remains valid nonetheless. I'd argue that it is evident that Russ's DES is a very powerful tool for self awareness.

I very much agree that DES is a very powerful tool that we could use for increasing our own self-awareness. There's a lot of potential there, it's just a matter of figuring out how to take advantage of it.

Prior to the podcast when I started reading his book, my initial reaction to DES was revulsion. It is so intrusive to one's privacy. "Nobody is allowed to see my innermost, unfiltered thoughts!". A few chapters later, my attitude completely flip flopped to, "I need to do this!". I did at one point look up if there was an app but couldn't find it. Pleased to hear he was working on one despite some challenges and that it is possible that an app may become available at some point.

Last thought, while reading his book I became aware that when reading I primarily hear the words in my head and occasionally switch to mental imagery when a scene is being depicted. Just by observing that in myself I felt like I became a more focused reader. It was like the sound of each word was louder and clearer in my head because I was more focused on that experience. Prior to this observation I don't think I was aware that I heard all the words in my head when reading. I just read. It's an absolute mind melter to think how much of my daily life is consumed with tasks that I have no idea how I am experiencing them.

I'm glad you wrote this because it's pretty similar to the emotional roller coaster I've been on after going through his work.

I think this definitely has potential for the Work. There's so many processes that are taking place below the level of the apprehending awareness that can lend itself to delusions, lying to oneself, assumptions, etc. I agree that we need a device or app that works sufficiently to work with and experiment with.

The big hurdle is having someone who is experienced and capable enough to help us go through the iterative process of getting to the footlights of consciousness at the moment of the beep. Finding or making a beeper is easy compared to this.

 

[Ennio]

We had an opportunity to speak with the terrific Dr. Karen Mitchell, whose research into psychopathy, and the very field itself, seems to be as broad and as deep as anyone else's out there. Probably more so given the new areas she shines a light on. In any case, enjoy the interview!

MindMatters: Predators in High Places with Dr. Karen Mitchell​

Today on MindMatters, Dr. Karen Mitchell, founder and CEO of the Kalmor Institute, shares insights from her pioneering PhD research on the "persistent predatory personality." Unlike previous studies that relied primarily on incarcerated populations or graduate students, Dr. Mitchell's work draws from the extensive experiences of practitioners who have dedicated their careers to working with individuals exhibiting dark triad traits and psychopathic tendencies.

Her research includes data from professionals with an average of 22 years' experience in fields such as child sex abuse, domestic violence, cults, terrorism, toxic leadership, including an FBI agent with the highest number of serial killer cases. By canvassing these unique perspectives, her work offers a fresh approach to understanding and identifying the persistent predatory personality, highlighting the limitations of existing models like the Psychopathy Checklist developed by Robert Hare.

 

[domi]

We had an opportunity to speak with the terrific Dr. Karen Mitchell, whose research into psychopathy, and the very field itself, seems to be as broad and as deep as anyone else's out there. Probably more so given the new areas she shines a light on. In any case, enjoy the interview!

I'm still listening (44 mins in) but great stuff so far.
Thanks for interviewing her.

 

[Voyageur]

We had an opportunity to speak with the terrific Dr. Karen Mitchell, whose research into psychopathy, and the very field itself, seems to be as broad and as deep as anyone else's out there. Probably more so given the new areas she shines a light on. In any case, enjoy the interview!

Caught the show, so thanks to you both (and guest).

Had a few observations - Karen looks to the legislative world of bullying and harassments (B&H) at one point, and then later looks to corporations and the difficulties of cleaning house, so to speak. Some of the biggest advocates of said legislation are often the ones who use it as a shield while accusing other of it. Karen talks about corporate group polarization, and the lower group wants to say something objective about a particular person, and the upper group will take anything they say and deem it as B&H (or "not respectful" in DEI speak) even though it is as plain as day that said person creates whirlwinds of trouble. What she said has good basis in fact.

The other thing noted in terms of B&H, is that although it has its place and is valid in many cases, there can be a high percentage of people who use it pretending victimhood (using it to get back at people), when it is them who it best reflects. Through their B&H complaint actions, they themselves can cause great whirlwinds and make things far worse. Tricky stuff in corporations to manage.

Thanks again.

 

[Ennio]

Btw, for anyone who watched the interview with Karen and was wondering about the Nike commercial we discussed that seemingly affirms psychopathic values, here it is:

 

[Jones]

Have listened to the Karen Mitchell interview 3 times now and am also making my way through her thesis. Really appreciate the info. It gives more clarity to the behaviours and red flags of dark personalities and am sure that many will find her work valuable.

 

[987baz]

Great show guys! Thanks form interviewing her .. the diametrically opposed views about psychopaths from the people around them was interesting, a good red flag to keep in mind

 

[Jones]

Here is another interview with Dr. Karen Mitchell. In it she says she is currently writing a book that should be released soon. I'm really appreciating the detail she gives. For example she notes that predators watch your hands to figure out where your weaknesses are and what you're passionate about. That's a new one on me, but a very helpful point. She also delves into transexualism and how predators are fascinated with it and how they are attracted to both sexes. At the end she say's that there are basically three types of people in the world, predators, prey and normal people. The importance of this work, I think, is to help people identify the types of weakness and vulnerabilities that predators target and to take care not to share too much too early into meeting someone, and to clarify the red flags that signal that perhaps one is dealing with a predatory type.

The interviewer raises the topic of transing kids and Mitchell clarifies that her data is about adult populations. However what she has to say about the trans agenda helps to clarify the how the adults who are pushing for the transing of kids are most probably predators themselves:

A lot of sexual data on on sexuality and relationships came out of my research and in terms of the whole transexual area and everything to just preface this, predators have absolutely no boundaries around sexuality. They will do anything, they will say anything, they use sexuality to demean, to humiliate, to control, to leverage. Sexuality is a tool. At the same time it is something they will explore in anyway they can; their own children, the family pet. They all have proclivities like we all do, we all have our own sexual proclivity. A lot of them will go for children, they will go for adults and children and anything. They are fascinated by all things sexual. They know if they’re higher functioning they have to hide it so they will use religion, they will use a marriage, they will use charities as things to hide behind so they can continue a life of child porn addiction or pedophilia or the whole transexual thing is part of that. They are fascinated by transexuals at all forms of transition. So for example one of them was talking about liking to see breast and a penis at the same time. Anything that’s kind of not totally the norm. A high number f them are actually drawn into transsexual or will become transsexual because that’s what they like to do because it’s interesting. So you do get a high number that have all those attributes of deceptive bullying, lying, wanting control, wanting a platform and I can say definitely that there are people who are genuinely born into a body that does not reflect who they are and I feel sad for these people, not sorry for them but sad for them because these predators have made if really difficult for them by engaging in these behaviours that they love to engage in which is bullying. They’re taking on a trans identity for their own selfish reasons and all predators are only about themselves. Anything that they might do that looks good, like donating to charity or whatever, it is all about their own goals which are about maintaining lack of exposure, maintaining this secret life because they hate their freedom to be taken away in any way. So, it’s about hiding, about achieving their goals, it’s about getting away with all the stuff they want to get away with often which is morally dubious, against the law or breaks regulations or rules or agreements. They all have double lives. I’ve interviewed a lot of people on these issues separately to my PhD so I’ve got a huge background in this and most marriages, we talk to women and men but there are more men that are predatory. We don’t have enough data on this but so far the data shows that most partners acknowledge that they have been kind of duped because this person has had this whole other life going on the whole time.

Mike Hart: So when you say that do you mean like the partner was gay but they kind of married someone to look normal, or not not normal, but to appear heterosexual so that they didn’t have to face any backlash for potentially being homosexual or…?

Karen Mitchell: No, these dark personalities from my research are drawn to either sex and I’m using the word ‘sex’ in the biological terms so the male sex or the female sex. So they are drawn to both, and again this data needs to be tested but I have got a lot of information that shows that. So what they might do is be in a normal heterosexual marriage, but then at night they’re on these dating sites with men. So it might be a male that marries a female in a normal heterosexual relationship but again using that heterosexual relationship and having children. Often children are part of the look, the cover. There was one case where he was taking naked photos of his wife, and then putting them online to attract men and then having sex with men. This might sound like a bit of a oneoff, this might be a bit of this guy was actually taken to court for this behaviour and guess what? He was the head of integrity in a law enforcement area. I won’t tell you what country, but there’s a lot in law enforcement because they love the control, they can just say ‘well, I’m the police person,’ or ‘I’m the law enforcement person so I have power over you.’ That’s why you see sadistic behaviour sometimes in law enforcement because they can’t help themselves but do that.

 

[Tuatha de Danaan]

We had an opportunity to speak with the terrific Dr. Karen Mitchell,

Thank you for a marvellous interview. I was riveted from start to finish. Following on from POB's discussions and articles on the DarkTriad, etc it broadened the scope of our knowledge. In a normal society this knowledge would be taught to children in school who, in turn, would take that knowledge into the wider community as they grew older to enlighten society. Guess we will just have to ride the storm for now until we pass through this valley and hopefully we come out the other side.

They have no boundaries. Such a simple statement but realizing this means no boundaries encompasses the sale on men, women and children into slavery, sexual and otherwise, torture and death as seen in Palestine. Playing god in the presence of Evil. It's so hard not to be demoralised by this knowledge but I guess that's what we have to fight against. We can't get rid of Evil but we must try our hardest not to be infected by it.
Thank you again and it would be wonderful if you could have her back.

 

[loreta]

Btw, for anyone who watched the interview with Karen and was wondering about the Nike commercial we discussed that seemingly affirms psychopathic values, here it is:

Wow, this is incredible.

 

[Truthseeker101]

We had an opportunity to speak with the terrific Dr. Karen Mitchell, whose research into psychopathy, and the very field itself, seems to be as broad and as deep as anyone else's out there. Probably more so given the new areas she shines a light on. In any case, enjoy the interview!

MindMatters: Predators in High Places with Dr. Karen Mitchell​

I have really LOVED this interview and have found it unbelievably inspiring. In all seriousness it really has added a spring in my
step and I CAN'T WAIT for her book to come out. I have looked into the pdf ... all 500+ pages of it ... and it is a bit confusing to
me but her material is a wonderful development.

I am particularly jazzed about the possibility of this material being utilized in court such that these people don't get off so easy.

I recently was sent an interview between Dr. Scott Atlas and Marissa Street about the mess that was the white house
Covid-19 task force. If members are interested I will send the PragerU video clip link ... just let me know. I only made it through
about 40 minutes of it but was particularly struck by how naive and blindsided Dr. Scott Atlas must have been during his
time at the WH. He needed the information that Dr. Karen Mitchell is putting together. God bless him for coming out now and talking about it as I am sure he will be piled on for having done so.But the holes in his psychological knowledge about DP were so apparent. It was a great example to me about how it is that Knowledge truly does protect. Because seeing and listening to him talking about his experiences and these people he was working with, makes it clear how he didn't have the knowledge to understand the people he was up against.

I am writing this with a nasty head cold that came on suddenly but I wanted to post this in case other members would be interested in the video link and want to add further commentary.

Cheers!