Shijing said:Odyssey said:Shijing, since you mentioned Mercola's article, you may want to read this for a counterargument _http://www.reuniting.info/ejaculation_how_often_for_good_health.
Thanks a lot, Odyssey -- that was a really good article. It covers a lot of bases, and complements the links AI put up -- we're getting a small library put together on this topic :) Mercola had me wondering, and there probably is something to his info about detoxing the prostate, but this does counterbalance the take-away message regarding frequency (which is fine by me).
Yep, that's a good article. Thanks for posting! It reminds me of all the stuff Gurdjieff had to say about sex. Here are some things I've noticed from Beelzebub's Tales (which I've been listening to on my way to and from work, so it's still somewhat fresh in my mind):
"And thus, little by little, the psyche of your favorites, already shaky enough before this, has become so unhinged that in all of them without exception both their world outlook and the whole ordering of their daily existence rest and proceed exclusively on the basis of those two 'Greco-Roman inventions,' that is to say, on the basis of 'fantasizing' and of 'striving for sexual gratification. '
"It has been known since ancient times that, in general, the possibility of long existence for a three-brained being of your planet depends exclusively on the normal working of these two being-functions, that is, upon the state of their digestion and upon the functioning of their sex organs.
"And it is precisely these two functionings indispensable to their common presence which are now regressing in the direction of complete atrophy—and moreover, at a highly accelerated pace.
"At the present time, your favorites only know about the first being-food, and they know about that simply because, in the first place, willy-nilly, they cannot help knowing about it, and, secondly, their use of it has already become a vice for them, and occupies an equal place alongside the other weaknesses that have gradually been crystallized in them as consequences of the properties of the maleficent organ kundabuffer.
In short, people are addicted to food and sex, ignoring what should (and could) be the real functions of these. Interestingly, from the article quoted below: "Princeton researcher Bart Hoebel says, "Highly palatable foods and highly potent sexual stimuli are the only stimuli capable of activating the dopamine system with anywhere near the potency of addictive drugs.""
"And so these sacred cosmic substances formed in them either serve only for the purposes of the Most Great Cosmic Trogoautoegocrat, without any participation of their own being-consciousness and individual desire, or for the involuntary conception of a new being like themselves who is for them without their cognized wish a distressing result of the fusion of those sacred substances of the two opposite sexes, representing two opposite forces of the sacred Triamazikamno—a fusion taking place during the satisfaction of that function of theirs which, thanks to the 'inheritance' from the ancient Romans, has become the chief vice of contemporary three-brained beings.
In other words, our modern views and practices of sex are food for the moon.
Gurdjieff said:"I repeat, my boy, not only have these favorites of yours, particularly the contemporary ones, ceased to make conscious use of these sacred substances, inevitably formed in them, for the coating and perfecting of their 'higher parts' and for the fulfillment of that being-duty foreseen by Nature which consists in the continuation of their species, but when this latter does accidentally occur, they regard it as a great misfortune for themselves, because its consequences must for a certain time hinder the free gratification of the many and various vices fixed in their essence.
"Yet this 'being-act,' which your favorites have turned into their chief vice, is considered everywhere in our Great Universe, by beings of all natures, as the most sacred of all divine sacraments.
"Even many two-brained and one-brained beings of the planet Earth, such as the beings called 'hyenas,' 'cats,' 'wolves,' 'lions,' 'tigers,' 'wild dogs,' 'baigooshis,' 'frogs,' and many others, who in their 'law-conformable presences' have no data at all for 'comparative logic,' still continue, of course only instinctively, to sense this act as sacred, and fulfill it only during those periods ordained by Great Nature for this holy sacrament, that is, chiefly during the period which is the beginning of a new cycle of that cosmic concentration on which they arise and exist—the period called, by three-brained beings everywhere, the 'dianosks of the holy sacrament of the great Serooazar,' known on the planet which interests you as 'spring days.'
The impression I get from hearing those passages is that there are two kinds of sex: procreative and something else. Perhaps Marnia Robinson is onto something with her division of sex into "mating sex" and "bonding sex". I think perhaps there is something "spiritual" about bonding sex. After all, it looks like the Cathars (and various other esoteric groups) knew something about it and practiced it. But, when we're stuck in the "mating sex" program, it's little more than a vice made out of something that serves a practical purpose in our 3D world. Like food is necessary for keeping our 3D bodies alive and functioning, sex is necessary for the life of the species. But they easily turn into "vices". We use people for our own gratification. We eat and have sex simply because it feels good, then we get addicted, leading to the health problems we know about and the problems listed in the article above (not to mention getting into bad relationships and all that follows from that).
But, there are other options. We can choose to eat healthy food, and thus give our bodies all they need so that we can function properly on all levels. (And we can naturally enjoy it while we do so.) And we can choose to follow the natural rhythm of our bodies (e.g., following the wet-dream cycle for men) and enjoy sex that promotes bonding and all the psychological benefits that come with it.
As for losing sex drive, I found this article on the site mentioned: _http://www.reuniting.info/science/two_types_of_libido
Ever heard the familiar complaints: "All he wants is sex!" and "She's just not the hot babe I got together with!"? Well, they seem to be backed up by actual research. A new study shows that women tend to lose sexual interest in their mates, while men lose affectionate interest in theirs. Researchers found that after 4 years, less than half of the 30-year-old women polled wanted regular sex. Men's desire to engage in tenderness for its own sake fell off just as quickly.
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There's enough research on the effects of sex on the brain (via neurochemicals) to support a more illuminating hypothesis to explain these findings. In fact, it saddens us that researchers fail to consider a possible neurochemical explanation, for reasons we will explain in a moment.
Unpopular as the notion may be, there is growing evidence that the effects of sex on the brain are in some ways similar to the effects of recreational drugs. That is, orgasm is the high phase of a cycle that also has a low phase. During the low phase, lovers' neurochemistry is profoundly different than during the orgasm phase. It changes the way they see each other for the worse.
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Unfortunately, by not addressing our inherent passion cycle, we humans do three things:
* We perpetuate the belief that the only normal sex is sex that keeps lovers locked in a deteriorating cycle of highs and lows.
* When the lows overtake us, this blindspot leaves us vulnerable to the clumsy, and possibly dangerous, sexual enhancement drugs marketed (and soon to be marketed) by the pharmaceutical companies.
* By indirectly targeting the wrong problem for correction, we discourage ourselves from investigating the various lovemaking traditions that would protect our lovemaking from this addictive cycle, and strengthen our emotional bonds.
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The results of the study mentioned earlier suggest that the genders tend to react to the underlying cycle in characteristic ways - men by withdrawing emotionally, women by withdrawing sexually. In fact, however, everyone reacts differently to this drop off of dopamine. Apathy, irritability, mood swings, a sense of depletion, emotional neediness, emotional numbness, and an urge to pursue addictive behaviors or substances, are common responses to the post-passion withdrawal phase in both sexes.
In other words, post-passion neurochemical strategies are not strictly gender-specific. It is not always men who want more sex, or women who want more non-goal-oriented affection. In relationships where the woman's libido is higher than her mate's, he often loses interest in sex - and the woman is equally disinclined to be generous with unconditional affection (i.e., affection without orgasm as her goal).
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We humans tend to believe that an intense urge to have sex is proof of a "mighty libido," but it may turn out that in today's porn-saturated, pro-orgasm culture, it is more often simply proof of "intense withdrawal discomfort" caused by low dopamine following sexual satiation (over-stimulation of the reward circuit of the brain). In effect, a burning desire to make love is not evidence that the withdrawal (or low dopamine) phase has passed; it may instead signal its nadir.
As explained, a male-model lover in the "ebb" portion of the passion cycle is desperate to get his dopamine up - something passion can easily achieve. Not only that, orgasm will usually temporarily bump up his oxytocin.11 So his strategy for returning to feeling "in love" is to strive for orgasm with his partner. Briefly, his strategy succeeds.
Unfortunately, however, when his dopamine plummets shortly afterward, his emotional bond also weakens again. This leaves the post-passion lover in a particularly uncomfortable bind: emotionally distant (because the dopamine, or desire, element of the bonding mechanism is largely absent) and (very soon) sexually-frustrated. One possible outcome is a pattern of cold behavior, completely lacking in affection, punctuated by brief periods of lust (excruciatingly portrayed by Leo Tolstoy in The Kreutzer Sonata).12
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The tragedy is that the harder an uncomfortable male pursues relief, the more he may drive an emotional wedge between himself and his "frigid" lover - and the less inclined she may be to offer the nourishing comfort of sexual intercourse in the future.
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The female response to withdrawal discomfort generally leads to a different overall strategy. It may be heavily influenced by oxytocin, perhaps because a woman naturally produces more oxytocin than a man. As with dopamine, oxytocin has lots of benefits when at balanced levels. Research reveals that oxytocin tends to calm, speed healing, increase sexual receptivity, and counter the effects of cortisol (stress), cravings, and depression. Oxytocin is also linked to emotional bonds. Indeed, we could not fall in love without it.
However, as with dopamine, excessive oxytocin (or oxytocin binding to the "wrong" receptors) can have quite different effects. Recent research shows that relationship distress is actually associated with higher oxytocin (possibly due to high prolactin) — but does not counter a woman's stress response.17 In other words, her high oxytocin doesn't help her cope when she perceives disharmony in her relationship (a common perception during with withdrawal phase of the passion cycle). Indeed, high oxytocin may exacerbate her insistence upon a closer union (making her clingy, demanding, or irrationally jealous).18 She may also seek relief through processing her relationship woes with friends, shopping, eating chocolate ice cream, and so forth.
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All of this means that, during withdrawal, just as a man perceives his first order of business to be raising his dopamine with passion, a woman perceives her first order of business to be resolving the relationship disharmony that is associated with her elevated oxytocin (and prolactin?). Her exaggerated behavior not infrequently drives her partner away…indirectly causing her to fulfill evolution's command to end her relationship and move on.
The media's assurance that a happy sex life is one that conforms to the addictive passion cycle has unwelcome implications for women as well. Researchers tend to pathologize a woman's natural lack of response to a lover suffering from withdrawal (especially during her own withdrawal). Pharmaceutical companies are already seeking approval for drugs that would artificially elevate her dopamine with sexual enhancement drugs. These could very likely have risky side effects.
In truth, her libido is most likely dormant, not ill (as those who opt for affairs will attest.19) More significantly, such drugs cannot duplicate the subtle, complex neurochemical dance required to keep partners "in love." At best they can inflame the addictiveness of sex, and, sadly, the severity of the withdrawal phase itself - creating even more emotional friction.
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Alas, evolution has shaped both men and women to slide from feeling "in love" toward feeling disillusioned. Selfishness and defensiveness replace mutual consideration as the basis of the relationship. This may explain the brevity of the "honeymoon" period during most relationships. One study found that the glow generally begins to fade in the second year of marriage.20
In this way intimate relationships tend to become hostile or flat over time - and yet surprisingly rapidly. We say "surprisingly" because friendships and relationships with pets and children don't suffer such rapid, radical deterioration.
Then she talks about possible solutions.