Non duality

[bozadi]

To put another way, the 'you' that desires a shift toward positivity is defined in terms of lack or negativity, or not-self (that which you don't have or don't do to don't possess, etc.) Meaning that the "you" that feels in some way too negative is defined in terms of a future ideal self that is more positive (which is ironically posited as not-self or not-yet-self, and therefore ever just out of reach).

I'm not sure if get you right, so please rephrase your point as you deem necessary upon my response, but here's what comes to my mind about your above quoted statements: The positivity, the awareness, the love of the "higher self" (in Ra's terms, for instance) is not missing here and now. I don't think that higher selves experience anything that we don't experience at all. The most basic experience is the same but "purity" is different, of course. This is also about the "intensity of light" one enjoys and can tolerate. We are "God", we are all. All is one. Nothing is really missing here and now. I know this description is too ideal, and might sound disconnected from certain facts about our life, but let's hope that things will become clearer as we continue to discuss them.

 

[bozadi]

Focusing on one side of a duality (and ignoring the other) is like willfully ignoring an entire face of the Whole Reality, since the "Creator" deemed it well and necessary to manifest both sides of the coin.

Being positive doesn't mean being "subjective" in such a way as to ignore negativity, although the Ra-Cassiopaean cosmology seems to say that 4D entities focus almost entirely on their own polarity.

The C's say that STO (positivity) is objectivity-oriented, while STS (negativity) is subjectivity-oriented. So, essentially, being more positive enables being more objective. I think in 4D, to a lesser extent, and especially in 5D and above, this is what enables STO beings to see things (including anything STS) as they are rather than as they imagine them to be.

 

[bozadi]

The true self does have an 'energy sensation' that can be sensed or 'felt' with some practice, but that is basically perception of non-physical energies.

Yes, maybe this can be roughly described as happiness or existential peace? A satisfaction with the "One/All". An acceptance of all. Love.

One more thing I wanted to mention regarding positivity and negativity: In my experience, the fastest way to dissolve any negativity is to first go deep into positivity (connection to the true self, love, acceptance, etc.) and then bring the positive and negative together. This always dissolves the negative, whether on the emotional or mental level.

Agreed. Maybe the awareness and the courage involved in bringing them together means that we can now make a conscious choice, which will certainly make important effects on how we will continue.

Focusing only on positivity can have the potential pitfall of wanting to avoid facing the negativity (blocking difficult feelings, etc.). It has been one of the biggest challenges for me too, not wanting to feel what I don't like. The problem is that blocking negative emotions also blocks the deeper connection to the true self to some extent, making it more difficult to be the true self.

I'm not sure but "focusing on positivity" can be different from "being positive". I think as long as you're really positive, it's unlikely for this state to cause problems. "Focusing on positivity" implies you're not positive at that moment. This can also imply a "struggle". Undecisiveness, lack of awareness, ambiguity, etc. This may be the cause of problem.

 

[bozadi]

One reason for this is that focusing on 'highly-vibrating' positive feelings or energies sort of vibrates up the low-vibrating negative emotions and stuck energies, bringing them to the surface to be acknowledged and let go of or 'dissolved'.

Have you found that the “letting go” is just a result of noticing them and understanding how they don’t serve you, so to speak? Or is there more of an effort involved for the sake of dissolving them?

Arising of experiences with a strictly negative charge after a relatively conscious and successful effort (determination) for positivity can be beneficial because they potentially contain a piece of knowledge (lesson) as to what blocks furthering or deepening positivity. A relatively "superficial" negativity (suffering) is not a significant problem, but if the suffering is so deep as to cast doubt upon our faith in (and, our awareness of, and our oneness with) the infinite fairness, beauty, and love of Life/Universe/God, then this shows where our awareness (our self) is weak due to a wrong idea, a wrong programming, a prejudice, etc.

 

[axj]

Yes, maybe this can be roughly described as happiness or existential peace? A satisfaction with the "One/All". An acceptance of all. Love.

I think those are mostly higher emotional center feellings, which definitely also come from a good conscious connection to the true self. The sensation of true self seems not quite as fantastic, but simply something like realness or 'pure beingness', along with some love and peace there.

Then there is also the Higher Self, which seems to be really just higher aspects of the true self. Connecting with the Higher Self usually does feel a lot more wonderful and divine.

Agreed. Maybe the awareness and the courage involved in bringing them together means that we can now make a conscious choice, which will certainly make important effects on how we will continue.

It seems that bringing them together is the choice, after that the positive always dissolves the negative on its own.

I'm not sure but "focusing on positivity" can be different from "being positive". I think as long as you're really positive, it's unlikely for this state to cause problems. "Focusing on positivity" implies you're not positive at that moment.

This seems more like semantics and what word definitions we use. Focusing on positivity can also be the same as being positive, or focusing on being positive.

It is not that being consciously present or well-connected to the true self that creates any problems. Trying to focus only on positive feelings and avoiding negative emotions can be a big problem though (and seems quite common).

 

[bozadi]

Then there is also the Higher Self, which seems to be really just higher aspects of the true self.

I take the "true self" to be 7D, so, in that sense, Higher Self (6D) is a relatively lower aspect of the true self.

It seems that bringing them together is the choice, after that the positive always dissolves the negative on its own.

Fair.

It is not that being consciously present or well-connected to the true self that creates any problems.

Exactly, that's what I mean. If there's significant problem involved, most probably it isn't caused by being positive.

avoiding negative emotions can be a big problem though (and seems quite common).

Again, this can be an unnecessary issue of semantics, but I can't understand why avoiding negative emotions can be a big problem, because I think "the failure to avoid negative emotions" is the problem.

 

[bozadi]

Q: (T) I have positive emotions and I have negative emotions; they both make up who I am.

A: If you choose, you may have only positive emotions.

Q: (T) Now, if I have only positive emotions, which is a nice thing to have and I'd like to have that, what does that do to the sensor equipment of the Lizzies?

A: Cancels them.

Q: (T) So they are tuned to negative frequencies?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Having positive feelings cuts off the implants. If I cut off the sensors by having positive feelings, what will the Lizards do?

A: Go elsewhere.

Q: (L) Am I correct in my thought that when you first start turning this off that they may increase their efforts for a period and then finally they realize that you are really in charge here and then they go away?

A: Exactly.

 

[axj]

I take the "true self" to be 7D, so, in that sense, Higher Self (6D) is a relatively lower aspect of the true self.

Looks like semantics and word definitions is what we are up against. What I call the "true self" or "authentic self" is a sort of extension from the Higher Self and not quite as high vibrationally as the Higher Self (which is the truly divine and eternal core self).

Defining the "true self" as higher than the "Higher Self" makes little sense in my view. And I don't think that we know whether one or the other is 6D, 7D or something else. Though it doesn't really matter as long as we consciously connect to both.

I can't understand why avoiding negative emotions can be a big problem, because I think "the failure to avoid negative emotions" is the problem.

You are right in some ways in that we can choose to "raise our emotional vibration" and no longer experience unnecessary low-vibrating emotions. But to get there we do need to heal emotionally, clear our mental (and physical body), etc. In other words, there is some necessary suffering and facing difficult emotions involved in order to heal and raise the FRV.

Even though it is the most unpleasant or diffcult part of the Work, avoiding it is definitely not a good idea.

Also, some so-called negative emotions like some anger, some sadness or even some fear also seem to be natural responses to life. It seems that we are supposed to feel them and in this way they go away relatively quickly (unlike pent-up and huge emotional charges).

Still other negative emotions like hate are completely unnecessary in my view.

 

[bozadi]

Defining the "true self" as higher than the "Higher Self" makes little sense in my view. And I don't think that we know whether one or the other is 6D, 7D or something else.

Sounds simple to me. 7D is the highest and the truest density or reality, if we need to distinguish and compare it to the others.

In other words, there is some necessary suffering and facing difficult emotions involved in order to heal and raise the FRV.

But we don't suffer because we deem it necessary, we just can't help it. It occurs against our desire. That's why the sentence "avoiding negative emotions can be a big problem" sounded a bit weird to me. Of course, I agree that they are to be dealt with. Positivity doesn't preclude the observation and resolving of "problems" as in the case of deep and persistent negative thoughts and emotions. Quite the opposite, I suppose, since more positivity means more objectivity and courage. A positivity which inspires subjectivity rather than objectivity to whatever extent is most probably false or corrupted/distorted to that extent.

 

[axj]

Sounds simple to me. 7D is the highest and the truest density or reality, if we need to distinguish and compare it to the others.

How our spirit or core self is structured is not quite as simple, in my view. There is supposedly also another level between the Higher Self and All-That-Is, which some call the Monads. Those might be the equivalent of 6D or maybe the 'higher parts' of 6D.

That's why the sentence "avoiding negative emotions can be a big problem" sounded a bit weird to me.

Yes, I expressed myself unclearly there and we see negative emotions the same way after all.

 

[bozadi]

How our spirit or core self is structured is not quite as simple, in my view. There is supposedly also another level between the Higher Self and All-That-Is, which some call the Monads. Those might be the equivalent of 6D or maybe the 'higher parts' of 6D.

OK, I get it better now, I think you mean highest (or core) 'individual' selves. I meant 7D as the 'nonindividual' or 'impersonal' true/absolute self as all. Nondualism, at least in the case of Maharaj's teaching of advaita, insistently points to an impersonal essence as the Highest Self.

Ra describes "Higher Selves" being at the highest levels of 6D, very close to 7D. Therefore, I think, they are probably the "monads" you mentioned as being called such by some.

 

[bozadi]

For the sake of putting my previous post into more concrete personal terms, I've noticed that focusing on positive thoughts, feelings, emotions, etc. tends to have a rebounding effect, where I at some inevitable point feel negative thoughts and feelings all the more strongly following the work on focusing positively. Or if I focus on positive relationships with my local community, invariably there is a person(s) who show up who bring a lot of friction or negativity into those relationships. Does this reflect any of you-all's experience with the work of developing your positive aspects and associations?

I think one of the reasons for "thinking about nothing" in meditation is because we have great difficulty in consciously increasing our positivity. The "complications" (rebound effects) you describe are probably one of the most important reasons for the difficulty. Positivity is often seen as a beneficial "attribute" to be had, not as our very essence. In such world where negativity is monstrously imposed on all (directly by fears, indirectly by desires, etc.), it's obviously not an easy task to consciously aim at increasing one's positivity ever more. In fact, I suppose, this must be made a (or the) "purpose of life", so that one can wholeheartedly invest one's energy in it as effectively as possible. I associate this with the concept of "religion" because this is the sacred journey towards God, towards our purest essence. Positivity means "being" (and I also associate it with "awareness"). STO (positivity) leads to total existence (7D), while STS (negativity) leads eventually to absolute non-existence (black hole), if the path is not changed. Don't we use the term "positive" in the sense "there is / exists" in the scientific/medical parlance ("corona-positive" etc, although this is not a very positive example)?

Q: (T) Okay, and you said that the Lizzies feed on the negative energy?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Who feeds on the positive energy?

A: You do.

Q: (T) How do we feed on the positive energy?

A: Progression toward union with the one, I.E. level 7.

After 4D (or probably after mid-4D), negativity is gradually diminished, while positivity is gradually increased (this is valid not only for STO but also STS beings!!!). And even if the terms STO and STS seemingly begin to lose their meanings from 6D onwards, the terms positive and negative are still valid, I think, although the meanings of the terms positive and negative will also probably change to some extent in the higher dimensions (from more or less personal to impersonal experience of positivity, for instance).

So what to do?

That's up to you, for sure. You shouldn't beat yourself up in the name of positivity! But personally I tend to, and like to, take this issue as a fair and profound challenge / confrontation. I mean, I observe the "vital" necessity of positivity as my essence and true self, and I also observe that I live in a "world" which has been deeply co-opted so as to impose negativity as much as possible and counteract positivity at all costs, and, in the end, I'm inclined to try and structure the rest of my incarnation to ensure that I'm gradually becoming more my self (positive) since I believe this is my path, my journey, my religion. Nothing feels more important than this to me. All kinds of increase of knowledge/awareness also boil down to the same for me, but I'm completely open to discussion so that I can adjust and improve my perspective, maybe also offer an inspiration.

 

[Haldeman]

I'm not sure if get you right, so please rephrase your point as you deem necessary upon my response

I think my attempt to put my statement previous to the one you quoted into other terms ended up being less clarifying and more confusing. oops...

My main motive was just to describe what appears to be a naturally occurring dilemma in our 3rd density experience of goal orientation (becoming more positive, in this case) that comes about as a result of our 'self' being defined both in terms of what it is and what it is not (the natural co-inhering of opposites). And so 'lack' haunts the premises in all occasions of goal orientation, and life fills that gap with not just the desired outcome (positivity) but also with its opposite (negativity). It was me trying to explain to myself my experience of negativity persistently arising in response to my attempts to become more positive.

But I think the nail got hit on the head in your and @axj follow-ups-- that to seek positivity while denying negativity is a sure way to be confronted with that which we want to get rid of via denial, since they are two sides of one thing. If I seek to become more positive but never bring that positivity into contact with the negativity in me, then I don't think I should expect anything other than negativity eventually erupting into my life since I am, how do I say it... denying the ontological reality of negativity, turning a blind eye to its reality in an attempt to go beyond it (which, as I type this, I see how silly that is because in my denying of it I am essentially reifying its existence in my life).

I also experienced and still experience the "rebounding" effects. In fact, as I mentioned either in this thread and/or another, I began to have deeper and more frequent bursts of anger after I consciously began to focus on deepening my positivity. I think one of the main reasons for this is that fact that I was previosuly less expectant for the external conditions to support my decision to be more and more positive. After I made the decision, however, I became more extectant, and thus became more "sensitive" to, or more acutely aware of, the extent at which the external conditions support (or, rather, don't support) the will for positivity.

I definitely resonate with this issue of "expectancy". Its a part of my work at the moment-- what the C's have pointed out as the issue of "anticipation".

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Becoming consciously aware of a negative emotion or thought pattern (acknowledging or accepting that it is there) already dissolves some of it through awareness.

Though emotional healing or clearing usually requires more 'steps', depending on how big an emotional wound is. Very often the first step is clearing or dissolving an emotional charge like anger or grief that got triggered by something. To do that means basically being consciously present and allowing yourself to feel the emotional charge in small steps.

Once that is done, there is almost always a painful emotional wound behind it. The best way to heal an emotional wound is to be at least somewhat present in the here and now (true self) and find feelings of self-love, self-acceptance and self-approval to bring to the hurting place.

Thank you for that. I've tended not to bring the self-love and self-acceptance "to the hurting place." Instead I've tried to maintain a blindered focus on the positive in the hope/assumption that it would somehow magically do the dissolving of negativity for me.

 

[Haldeman]

To bring it back to the thread topic, Non-Duality, positivity and negativity are an example of the polarized, delimited expressions of the non-dual Reality that completely allows for and sponsors the existence of these or any other "opposites". The All allows for all...and hopefully I can keep learning to follow suit.

And to speak to the higher self discussion, I take my higher self to be potentially any number of versions of me beyond this density, "located" in or spanning 4th, 5th, or 6th density. Theoretically, in a non-dual Reality they coexist all at once, and may be "contacted". Being in contact with them, they would each probably have their own "flavor" given their density-location (level of integration with the All, and their corresponding 'distinctness' thereby) and the primary lessons being learned by that version of the self. At 7th density, I'd capitalize it to Higher Self, the Self that we all share in common and that no longer/does-not-yet express any individuation such as may be described in 4th, 5th or 6th density 'higher selves'.

 

[bozadi]

To bring it back to the thread topic, Non-Duality, positivity and negativity are an example of the polarized, delimited expressions of the non-dual Reality that completely allows for and sponsors the existence of these or any other "opposites". The All allows for all...and hopefully I can keep learning to follow suit.

There's something about this subject that puzzles me. I mean, is nonduality really free of any duality? Even my beloved N. Maharaj insistently says all kinds of dualities cease in the absolute, but then his so many descriptions about the absolute clearly indicate a "positive" nature. You know, "bliss", "peace", "happiness", etc.. I mean, even if these are experienced impersonally, or even if the experiencer and the experienced is identical rather than separate, these imply "positivity" rather than pure "neutrality". So, I don't think that the absolute nonduality is really free of the polarity/duality of positivity-negativity. It obviously implies more positivity than negativity to me. But I can very well be mistaken about it, and, if I really am, I hope to find the explanation.