Not All Multivitamins Are Created Equally

Regarding the different forms of Vitamin b-12, there is this from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12

A common synthetic form of the vitamin, cyanocobalamin, does not occur in nature, but is used in many pharmaceuticals and supplements, and as a food additive, due to its stability and lower cost. In the body it is converted to the physiological forms, methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin, leaving behind the cyanide, albeit in minimal concentration. More recently, hydroxocobalamin (a form produced by bacteria), methylcobalamin, and adenosylcobalamin can also be found in more expensive pharmacological products and food supplements. The utility of these is presently debated.

The part about producing cyanide is interesting. I'm not sure if it's relevant or not, but have never seen that before.

So in most cheap supplements you tend to see cyanocobalamin. The more expensive and "active" version, methylobalamin is typically found in more expensive supplements. I believe it is this process of converting Cyanocobalamin to the active methyl form that some people have a problem with. Without B12, you have bad Methylation, which can lead to all sorts of health problems.

The same is true with vitamin B6 and folic acid. Those are both needed for proper methylation along with various other processes in the body.

The active form of B6 is pyridoxal 5'-phosphate, but in cheap supplements it is usually in the form of pyridoxine. Again, like with b12, some people have a problem making this conversion.

Folic acid, same thing. Methyl tetrahydrofolate is the active form (and more expensive), while folate is the form typically found in supplements.

These "active" b-vitamins are not "natural" from my understanding. They are just forms that bypass a process that is often broken in the body, thereby delivering these vitamins in a more efficient manner.

Some people do just fine with the cheap forms of these vitamins, but others can't seem to utilize them. I noticed a big difference when I switched to using the active form of b-vitamins, these were recommended using the UltraMind Solution quizzes. So here we have an example where the "naturally occurring" form of a vitamin isn't always the best one to take.

Keep in mind, Dr. Mercola runs a very large internet business and he does have to market what he sells. I have and still buy some of his products from time to time, but it pays to understand what you're buying, OSIT.
 
RyanX said:
Some people do just fine with the cheap forms of these vitamins, but others can't seem to utilize them.

For me this is the really important part of this exercise. One cannot just make assumptions about supplements. You need to go do the research and find out for yourself, understand what you are eating and find the best combination that works and can be utilised by your body. Knowledge is protection and that applies in all areas of life it seems.

Somebody on the forum has a tag line which says it all for me - I don't want to believe, I want to know.
 
Hey abstract, "I don't want to believe, I want to know". Would that be Carl Sagan :huh:
 
I've got a lot of supplements containing Magnesium Stearate; I hadn't known about it when I bought them. So I'm just biting the bullet and replacing them as I run out with better ones. I'm having trouble finding some magnesium, malate is good I heard, without the stearate. I'm wondering if stearic acid is the same thing, but some pills have both the acid and Mg stearate in them. Also, does it make it any less harmful if it's from a vegetable source. My guess would be no and that it's still hydrogenated and harmful. I know this has been discussed before, but it's always a pain when I try to look for a supplement without these things in them. Luckily most supplements don't have all the evil stuff like gluten, sugar, milk, and corn. Well, any advice is appreciated.
 
Hi 3D Student, join the rest of us in this club, and in this search! :D At the moment, the route I'm exploring is pure powdered form of supplements where possible. myprotein.co.uk is a useful site for this (thanks Psyche).
 
3D,

Here's where I've been buying my vitamins lately:

http://www.thorne.com

It's a bit pricey, but it was one of the few places I could find that didn't add stearate and used the active b-vitamin forms.
Here is their listing of magnesium supplements if you're interested:

http://www.thorne.com/AST/Products/Minerals/Magnesium.jsp
 
Thanks guys for the suggestions, it looks like this really is a tough search. I've seen thorne mentioned before, I'll probably have to get my magnesium from there.
 
Do you believe an "incomplete diet" is more healthy than an artificially "complete" diet? I have always been skeptical of vitamin supplements, as they make me feel irritated, and hungry! The motivation behind taking a supplement is usually fear; lack of confidence in the foods consumed. It makes sense that the outcome of a fear-based action would be dis-ease. Love-filled food may be the best supplement- I know just from looking at vibrant friends who do not analyze and criticize their food. Perhaps though, believing in the food's ability to fortify them, they attract foods that will serve the purpose?
 
Glosolí said:
Do you believe an "incomplete diet" is more healthy than an artificially "complete" diet?

It depends how you define those terms.

Glosolí said:
I have always been skeptical of vitamin supplements, as they make me feel irritated, and hungry!

Is that because you take the supplements instead of eating food, instead of using them along with food?

Glosolí said:
The motivation behind taking a supplement is usually fear; lack of confidence in the foods consumed.

Even if this is true for you, how do you know that fear is the motivation for taking supplements for others?

Glosolí said:
Love-filled food may be the best supplement- I know just from looking at vibrant friends who do not analyze and criticize their food. Perhaps though, believing in the food's ability to fortify them, they attract foods that will serve the purpose?

Perhaps -- I'm not sure how you would define "love-filled food". However, it has been our experience that the choices we have before us in terms of what we eat are both generally toxic as well as deficient in the nutrients we actually need (and it is largely this way intentionally), so it makes sense to put some thought and effort into preparing our diets and figure out how to take care of our bodies so that we can function better both physically and mentally.

Being new to the forum, I suggest that you read around the Diet and Health board a bit and take stock of all the information there -- and if you have questions, there are many knowledgeable members here available to help you :)
 
Shijing said:
It depends how you define those terms.
Word, I'm thinking along the lines of fresh fruits and vegetables versus powdered milk, meat and enriched flour. But it's too general a question.


Shijing said:
Is that because you take the supplements instead of eating food, instead of using them along with food?
I take them with food, trying to get more vitamin bang for caloric buck.

Shijing said:
Even if this is true for you, how do you know that fear is the motivation for taking supplements for others?
I don't.

Shijing said:
Being new to the forum, I suggest that you read around the Diet and Health board a bit and take stock of all the information there -- and if you have questions, there are many knowledgeable members here available to help you :)
Sounds fun.
 
chachazoom said:
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=758

Hmm, that forum says that your body doesn't handle well ascorbic acid over a long period of time. I've been taking ascorbic acid as my source of vitamin C for a few months. They also say that bioflavanoids and tyrosinase will help complement the ascorbic acid.
 

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