Not All Multivitamins Are Created Equally

I read once that parsley has more vitamin C by weight than oranges (Hulda Clarke's book I believe). Parsley is generally pretty accessible...easy to grow or buy for most. We add it fresh on top of nearly everything we eat...soups, salads, etc. However we do supplement vitamin C as well. I need to ask my dentist where he gets his. He gets vitamin C sourced from organic beets (i.e. non-GMO). Most vitamin C is sourced from corn, and if its not organic, there's a good chance its GMO.

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Nicolas said:
Looks like peppers are a good source of vitamin c, just need to eat about a dozen and you are set :)

They're inflammatory for a lot of people :(
 
This doesn't really fit the current discussion, but since it also involves quality of supplementation, I thought it might not be worth to open a new thread. Please feel free to move it if appropriate.
Some information on storing vitamins and other supplements, taken from _http://www.wddty.com/:

http://www.wddty.com/how-vitamins-become-ineffective-in-just-one-week.html said:
How vitamins become ineffective in just one week
03 March 2010
Vitamins may not be giving you the health-giving qualities you think – and it’s all down to how, and where, you store them in your home. Most people store their vitamins in cupboards in bathrooms and kitchens, and that’s the very worst place to keep them, says a researcher at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana. Vitamin C can lose its effectiveness within a week of being stored in humid conditions, even if the bottle lids are screwed on tight. The vitamin, along with the B vitamins and other dietary supplements, quickly dissolve in the high humidity of a kitchen or bathroom in a process called deliquescence, says Prof Lisa Mauer. The same goes for children’s vitamins; after a short time stored in one of the rooms, they become nothing more than “candy with a high sugar content,” she says. (Source: Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, February 17, 2010: doi: 10.1021/jf903342f).
 
Eating a variety of whole foods is surely the best for optimal absorption of nutrients, but if you're not eating organic vegetables then the minerals and much of the vitamin content simply will not be in them.
"You are what you eat", and the same is true for plants. If it's not in the soil, the plant can't absorb it and therefore it's fruit/leaves/roots/etc. cannot possibly be as 'wholesome' as those plants grown in a more complete soil. Farming methods of the past 60+ years have greatly contributed to the decline of soil quality and mineral content. Organic is expensive, so I grow as much of my own as possible and buy from an organic CSA through winter months.

I find the reference area of the NaturalNews.{com} site is useful as a quick reference when I have questions such as vegetable 'X'= vitamin or mineral 'X'. _http://www.nutrientreference.com/

I take Hi Potency Multivitamin by Natural Factors & I do take a number of supplements as well, but always try to first incorporate an unprocessed food containing the vitamins or minerals I'm looking to increase my intake of as my first step, then supplement with some pill or other if I've determined the additional intake is called for.
 
Hi everyone.
Does anyone supplement vitamin D with for example cod fish liver oil? Apart from possible and probable mercury contamination (which i think some brands have it tested for) does anyone know of any other possible problem with it?
It has more or less 1500 IU of vitamin D for 15ml (the recommended dose is about 600 UI for someone with 75 years and less for less older people).
 
I supplement Vitamin D with capsules of 5000 IU, it is not derived from fish liver but lanolin. Now the Sun has has emerged after 3 months of freezing fog I am topping up my levels with that also!
 
Green_Manalishi said:
Hi everyone.
Does anyone supplement vitamin D with for example cod fish liver oil? Apart from possible and probable mercury contamination (which i think some brands have it tested for) does anyone know of any other possible problem with it?
It has more or less 1500 IU of vitamin D for 15ml (the recommended dose is about 600 UI for someone with 75 years and less for less older people).

I just ran across this yesterday while investigating this topic. Here's a partial quote from Dr. Mercola's site: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/12/23/important-cod-liver-oil-update.aspx

Most Cod Liver Oils Have Excessive Vitamin A (Preformed Retinol)

However, even the Weston Price Foundation acknowledges that there are dangerous versions of cod liver oil out there, even from some highly reputable companies produce a cod liver oil that is clearly excessive in vitamin A as it only has 3 to 60 units of vitamin D per tablespoon but between 150 and 12,000 times as much vitamin A.

It’s a delicate balance.

Both vitamins are essential to obtain optimal health benefits, however, the ratios can become dangerously unbalanced -- much like the omega-3/omega-6 balance, which has become inversed in our modern diet.

Nearly all brands of cod liver oil provide a token amount of vitamin D, typically a mere 400 to 1,200 IU of vitamin D per tablespoon but anywhere between 4,000 to 30,000 IU of vitamin A. This is clearly inappropriate. About the lowest ratio I have seen is ten times as much vitamin A as vitamin D but, as I stated above, it can be as high as 12,000 times as much vitamin A.

First of all, this is clearly an insufficient amount of vitamin D for even the smallest child. This is in part due to the government recommendations, which are FAR too low to offer any health benefits; the recommended daily dosage being no more than 200 to 600 IU, depending on age. Meanwhile, researchers have since established that the therapeutic dosage is anywhere between 2,000 to 10,000 IU per day, depending on your weight and other factors, such as skin color and level of regular sun exposure. (Some people may require, and can safely take, as much as 20,000 IU daily.)

Consuming such high amounts of vitamin A as contained in cod liver oil and most multi-vitamins, while not getting nearly enough vitamin D, combined with the fact that most people are deficient in vitamin D to begin with, could potentially cause vitamin A to become toxic.

The concern Dr. Cannell and the other researchers have is that vitamin A in cod liver oil is excessive and actually antagonizes vitamin D by inhibiting the binding of its active form to DNA and thus preventing its ability to regulate the expression of vitamin D-responsive genes.

The Weston Price Foundation’s strong belief is that vitamin A is not at all toxic but is necessary for optimal vitamin D function. However they believe there is sufficient vitamin A in the diet of most Americans, especially if they are taking a multivitamin. In the third world this is not the case and they would likely benefit from vitamin A supplementation.

The Weston Price Foundation does not agree with Dr. Cannell’s conclusion that cod liver oil itself may cause vitamin A toxicity, however they also do not recommend taking any cod liver oil that is low in vitamin D. Yet even their recommendations, in my opinion have far too low amounts of vitamin D to be clinically useful. But more importantly it appears that the high amounts of vitamin A may limit the effectiveness of vitamin D even if more is taken in addition to that received in the cod liver oil.

Although it’s still unclear exactly what the balance should be, Dr. Cannell and most of the prominent expert researchers in this area believe that the ratios of these two essential nutrients likely should be reversed from those typically seen in cod liver oil, as you need far greater amounts of vitamin D as opposed to vitamin A.

After carefully reviewing the arguments on both sides of the issue I am convinced that Dr. Cannell’s approach is far more likely to be consistent with producing high levels of health and decreased illness.

My Revised Cod Liver Oil Recommendations

As the prevalence of vitamin A deficiency (which would benefit from cod liver oil) in the U. S. is much lower than the prevalence of subclinical vitamin A toxicity, while most everyone suffers from vitamin D deficiency, I no longer recommend taking cod liver oil for either adults or children.

However if you are going to use cod liver oil I would recommend Carlson's as they have the best ratio of vitamin A to vitamin D. It is the only one I know of with the right ratio, approximately four to five times as much vitamin D as vitamin A. We do not sell cod liver oil anymore on our site but Carlson's is available at many health food stores.

You’re likely getting the vitamin A you need if you regularly consume fresh vegetables high in this nutrient, such as sweet potatoes, carrots, cantaloupe, and other colorful fruits and vegetables, and butter especially, if obtained from grass fed cows.

Although you can obtain Vitamin D from your diet, it is very difficult, and I believe it is very unnatural. It is my strong belief that we were designed to obtain virtually all of our vitamin D from exposing appropriate areas of our skin to sunshine. If this is not possible, the next best choice would be exposure to UVB rays from safe tanning beds, and if that is not possible then one should resort to a high quality vitamin D3 supplement.
 
It seems that the Mercola article referenced above indicated a whole lot of Mercola explaining why he'd not considered the toxicity levels of the fish sources that he's been recommending for years now.
It did also allude to a few main points of importance with regard to consumption of cod liver oil as a supplemental source of Vitamin D:

1) Vitamin A is best absorbed when present with Vitamin D
2) Cod liver oil as a source of Vitamin D is often due to the 'added bonus' Vitamin A content
3) Toxicity levels of Cod liver oil unfortunately outweigh the Vitamin benefit.

So I would conclude that the next most available alternative sources of combined D & A would be to include some Nori seaweed in ones diet, and conscious inclusion of those veggies containing both.
I used the same site _http://www.nutrientreference.com/Vitamin_A.html_

Funny thing about this topic, is I just today rec'd a newsletter notice from the same site I reference in the link above , and the topic was to be aware of the fish oil content in your Omega 3 supplements. The fish oil is toxic.
So easy to get rid of the fish oil supplements with flax oil.
 
Since this thread started, i have been doing a little research prompted by this discussion and a innate sense that i needed to improve the quality of the vitamins i have been taking. I noticed that the brands carried by the two local compounding pharmacies I visit, were mostly the same as those recommended by a Naturopath I used to see. Yes - they are usually more expensive, but i decided to try some that I thought were really important (like 5HTP) - and see if i noticed a big difference.

Last week, i had an interesting conversation with another pharmacist who is very knowledgeable and very into alternative health. He mentioned that about 80% of the vitamin companies are unethical and that he only carries select brands (Thorne is one of them). He generally believes the brands at the ordinary drug/grocery stores aren't that great - but i guess he would, although I really think he knows whereof he speaks.

Here is a list of some of those they carry -
# Standard Process (nutritional, botanical, glandular)
# Medi-Herb (botanical)
# Metagenics (nutritional, botanical)
# PhytoPharmacia (botanical)
# Natural Creations (botanical, nutritional, homeopathic, glandular)
# Boiron (homeopathy)
# DaVinci (nutritional, botanical)
# Bio-Tech (nutritional, botanical)
# Vinco (nutritional, botanical)
# Progressive Labs (nutritional, botanical)
# Professional Health Products (nutritional, botanical, homeopathic)

Hope this helps,
aleana
 
I spent more than 1 hr to figure out "Multivitamin Mega-One, No Iron, 60 Tablets" from source naturals with out soy , wheat . but couldn't :evil:. There are many sold by different retailers, but they are with soy, and one exist ONLY ( don't know why ?) sold by vitaminshoppe , but the label is not clear what it contains. I don't want to buy this in hurry with out knowing what it contains because of a bad experience.

Previously I bought source naturals Life Minerals after looking at the contents. It didn't mention soy. so I bought. when I got it , it contained soy. Why can't they be specific. I don't understand.

does any body have experience with this ?
 
Hi seek10, sometimes sites that sell the vitamins don't correctly list the ingredients. Amazon, for instance, will often have a list of ingredients that is incomplete or incorrect. It's best to actually see the label that will be on the bottle.

I too have gone through the ingredients hassle, and still do to an extent. One brand that has been mentioned before and that I use is Thorne Research; they don't use any bad fillers like magnesium stearate. Good luck. :)
 
I am reviving this thread to share my latest experience.

I have recently ordered my last batch of supplements composed of multivitamins, Co 10, amino acids, Krill oil, Nac and kelp. There was really nothing new in this order except for the addition of kelp to help me with low thyroid, and krill oil instead of the fish oil I was taking.
Now the brand of the supplements is what changed. Inspired by this thread, I realized that I had to be a lot more careful with what I was buying. If I am spending money in this I better spend it well, rather then spending less and getting nothing out of it.

Because I suspect having poor nutrient absorption I ordered what I could in powdered or liquid form. I carefully went through the client reviews from each product, and chose brands that were either GMP qualified, such as Now Foods, or recommended from a source that seemed reliable.

I have been taking this new batch for a couple of days and I feel like superwoman :D I notice it mainly in my ability to concentrate from the moment I wake up, when it used to be hard for me to function. It would usually take me at least half a day to feel at my peak. And that's how I remember being my whole life, I just assumed it was natural to be like that because I didn't know any better.
Well, not only my ability to function on a mental level is higher, I also seem to retain more physical energy that lasts until I go to bed.
Lastly, my mood has improved.

Well, one could say it was for that kelp that I added, but I'm inclined to think it was this combination of carefully chosen supplements that caused so much improvement.

Bottom line is, not all supplements are created equally indeed.
 
Gertrudes said:
Well, one could say it was for that kelp that I added, but I'm inclined to think it was this combination of carefully chosen supplements that caused so much improvement.

Bottom line is, not all supplements are created equally indeed.

Thanks for the update! Indeed, it seems that the quality is crucial and in the end spending extra does pay off.
 

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