Not All Multivitamins Are Created Equally

[chachazoom]

The forum advocates large doses of oral ascorbic acid over long periods of time. I think what you're referencing is one poster's comments about someone who developed varicose veins when taking high dosages of IV Ascorbic acid. (who knows if it was sodium ascorbic which is the recommended form for IV use)

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/NaturalC.htm

 

[3DStudent]

I'm having trouble finding a multi mineral without stearates. I'm down to thorne, which is a little expensive: http://www.thorne.com/Products/Multiples/All_Multis/prd~VM1.jsp and a powder http://www.vitacost.com/All-One-Nutritech-Powder-Multiple-Vitamins-Minerals. This powder was the only thing I could find with a lot of different minerals. The only problem is that it has 350 mg of soy lecithin per serving. I'd rather go with the powder if that amount of soy isn't too bad. It seems sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two evils with these things.

 

[Gawan]

I'm having trouble finding a multi mineral without stearates. I'm down to thorne, which is a little expensive: http://www.thorne.com/Products/Multiples/All_Multis/prd~VM1.jsp and a powder http://www.vitacost.com/All-One-Nutritech-Powder-Multiple-Vitamins-Minerals. This powder was the only thing I could find with a lot of different minerals. The only problem is that it has 350 mg of soy lecithin per serving. I'd rather go with the powder if that amount of soy isn't too bad. It seems sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two evils with these things.

I know, having currently the same trouble, to find things without magnesium stearate and good and affordable quality. And I agree, that sometimes the lesser of two evils have to be taken, especially when money plays a role. But I would quote Anart again, that "[sometimes] you're better off getting the supplements with the stearate than not getting the supplements at all".
Maybe consider the amount and quantity you get from "Thorne", these are 180 capsules and active b-vitamins. Laura stated somewhere that small amounts of soylecithin, should not be a problem (but I think she referred to fillers). The question is now, what is small? The amount you get from alone one serving (15gr in total) from the last link you mentioned is: 350mg of lecithin.


Hope that helps a little.

 

[Green_Manalishi]

Hi everyone. I am going to be the devil's advocate here for a while.
For now i only want to point to vitamin C. The Daily recommend dose is about 80mg, an orange has about 50mg of vitamin C, why not just eat two or three oranges a day? One could say that today food is lacking vitamins and so, but for all the trouble one has in searching multivitamins perhaps that effort could be directed into finding a good source of natural produced oranges.
This is just a thought, and there are other vitamins that could be much harder to get by just eating food, but it could be narrowed down to just those that are hard to get by normal food, and those hard ones would be obtained by supplements, no?

 

[theos]

Hi everyone. I am going to be the devil's advocate here for a while.
For now i only want to point to vitamin C. The Daily recommend dose is about 80mg, an orange has about 50mg of vitamin C, why not just eat two or three oranges a day? One could say that today food is lacking vitamins and so, but for all the trouble one has in searching multivitamins perhaps that effort could be directed into finding a good source of natural produced oranges.
This is just a thought, and there are other vitamins that could be much harder to get by just eating food, but it could be narrowed down to just those that are hard to get by normal food, and those hard ones would be obtained by supplements, no?

I've been thinking similar thoughts myself. I've been trying to get all my vitamins/minerals through food (including juicing and until recently wheatgrass) and take only a few supplements. So far I don't feel any worse than when I was taking a multivitamin and it has made me increase and be more aware of the amount of fruits and veggies I eat (though some days I'm sure I don't get as much as I should). At any rate I've only been feeling better and better within the last year.

What you've written makes sense to me but everyone has to do what works best for them. We all have different requirements. And unless you're having your blood levels checked regularly you only have how you feel and function to go by.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

Hi everyone. I am going to be the devil's advocate here for a while.
For now i only want to point to vitamin C. The Daily recommend dose is about 80mg, an orange has about 50mg of vitamin C, why not just eat two or three oranges a day? One could say that today food is lacking vitamins and so, but for all the trouble one has in searching multivitamins perhaps that effort could be directed into finding a good source of natural produced oranges.

One can get vitamin C from different sources, and for some, "oranges" per se, are not recommended for their type. I'm assuming the same can be true of other foods, so one alternative is to get that particular vitamin via a supplement.

BLOOD TYPE DIET VALUES (oranges/orange juice)

Follow Secretor value if you do not know your secretor status.

TYPE A:Secretor:
AVOID: Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins. Increases polyamine or indican levels. Inhibits proper gastric function or blocks assimilation.

Non Secretor:
AVOID: Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins. Increases polyamine or indican levels. Inhibits proper gastric function or blocks assimilation.

TYPE B:Secretor:
NEUTRAL

Non Secretor:
NEUTRAL

TYPE AB:Secretor:
AVOID: Increases polyamine or indican levels.

Non Secretor:
AVOID: Increases polyamine or indican levels.

TYPE O:Secretor:
AVOID: Increases polyamine or indican levels. Metabolic inhibitor.

Non Secretor:
AVOID: Increases polyamine or indican levels. Metabolic inhibitor.

LECTIN CHARACTERIZATION:

 

[Nienna]

Hi everyone. I am going to be the devil's advocate here for a while.
For now i only want to point to vitamin C. The Daily recommend dose is about 80mg, an orange has about 50mg of vitamin C, why not just eat two or three oranges a day? One could say that today food is lacking vitamins and so, but for all the trouble one has in searching multivitamins perhaps that effort could be directed into finding a good source of natural produced oranges.
This is just a thought, and there are other vitamins that could be much harder to get by just eating food, but it could be narrowed down to just those that are hard to get by normal food, and those hard ones would be obtained by supplements, no?

If you are talking about the FDA recommended dose of any vitamin/supplement, which it looks like you are as it is fairly low, it has been shown that their recommendations are very low and don't really do anything to help the overall functioning of the body/mind.

In the books that are listed in the recommended books section for Diet and Health, they give the recommendation of vitamin C as between 1g and 2 g. These same books show that the FDA recommended doses for other supplements are also very low.

Experiments done by Laura and Psyche have shown that everybody should take enough vitamin C for their own individual bodies. This can be anywhere from 5g 2 or 3 times a day to 6 gor 7g, or as low as 2g or 3g.....whatever you body tells you is the right amount.

Going by the FDA recommendations of supplements will not show you any improvement at all and I suppose that this is why you have seen none. ;) And I would think that this would be the case for most vitamins/minerals.

I hope that this helps and I am wondering if you have read the Big 5 health and diet books? There's a LOT of good information there.

 

[Green_Manalishi]

If you are talking about the FDA recommended dose

It wasn't the FDA but the EU health committee (or whatever it is called) recommend, which perhaps isn't much different.

I hope that this helps and I am wondering if you have read the Big 5 health and diet books? There's a LOT of good information there.

I'm waiting for the "detoxify and healing" to arrive by mail, meanwhile i have been reading things on the net.

 

[abstract]

Going by the FDA recommendations of supplements will not show you any improvement at all and I suppose that this is why you have seen none. And I would think that this would be the case for most vitamins/minerals.

Regarding the FDA, a gram of vitamin c (amount of a 1000mg capsule) is considered 1667% daily value. if you take 4g of vitamin c a day, its 6668% daily value by FDA standards.

and THAT is an everyday amount for some. The FDA guide for daily values of vitamins and minerals is the worst advice to give to anyone, ever. It's obvious the FDA is responsible

for figuring out how to keep us in poor health.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Regarding the FDA, a gram of vitamin c (amount of a 1000mg capsule) is considered 1667% daily value. if you take 4g of vitamin c a day, its 6668% daily value by FDA standards.

and THAT is an everyday amount for some. The FDA guide for daily values of vitamins and minerals is the worst advice to give to anyone, ever. It's obvious the FDA is responsible

for figuring out how to keep us in poor health.

Also, in the latest cooking video Laura quoted the studies that show that the Paleolithic diet contained several grams' worth of Vitamin C. I'd trust our Paleolithic ancestors more than our contemporary doctors.

 

[mcb]

... For now i only want to point to vitamin C. The Daily recommend dose is about 80mg, an orange has about 50mg of vitamin C, why not just eat two or three oranges a day?...

Dr. Hyman explains in The Ultramind Solution that the recommended amount was determined as what you need to keep from developing scurvy. Just because you are getting enough to prevent scurvy, that doesn't mean you are getting enough to prevent other major long-term health problems.

 

[Green_Manalishi]

Hi. Thanks for the heads up in relation to other sources and experiments about quantity of vitamins and minerals. The thing is i'm starting from the "lower end" of information for knowledge. I thought one should start from the bottom and ask questions and reach conclusions has one goes on, but maybe , for example in this case, one should start on the information others have gathered.
I just want to say that i'm not trying to discredit anyone or any information with my questions, i'm just trying to understanding it. But regarding this topic i have a further one. In order to intake so much vitamin C our paleo ancestors either had food that was very, very high on vitamins, or they had to eat noting but oranges all day (in the case of vitamin C) to get such high intakes of vitamin C alone. Does anyone know of any scientific studies of how much vitamins fruit for example, might have had in those times? Because if it wasn't so different how did they do it? And just for clearance i'm not talking about people that might have had access to the techno-spiritual technology of food materialization, i'm talking about the ones that came after the fall.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

Hi. Thanks for the heads up in relation to other sources and experiments about quantity of vitamins and minerals. The thing is i'm starting from the "lower end" of information for knowledge. I thought one should start from the bottom and ask questions and reach conclusions has one goes on, but maybe , for example in this case, one should start on the information others have gathered.
I just want to say that i'm not trying to discredit anyone or any information with my questions, i'm just trying to understanding it. But regarding this topic i have a further one. In order to intake so much vitamin C our paleo ancestors either had food that was very, very high on vitamins, or they had to eat noting but oranges all day (in the case of vitamin C) to get such high intakes of vitamin C alone. Does anyone know of any scientific studies of how much vitamins fruit for example, might have had in those times? Because if it wasn't so different how did they do it? And just for clearance i'm not talking about people that might have had access to the techno-spiritual technology of food materialization, i'm talking about the ones that came after the fall.

Our ancestors didn't eat the crap we do that causes so much inflammation in our bodies. Vitamin C is good for inflammation. Ergo, our ancestors didn't HAVE to take so much Vitamin C as we require now.

At least, that's my theory... :)

 

[theos]

I would venture to say that our paleo ancestors had food that was very, very high on vitamins that came from soil very high in minerals. And remember, oranges aren't the only food with vitamin C so they probably didn't sit around eating just oranges all day. :)

 

[Nicholas]

Here is a list of vitamin c content in descending order:

USDA National Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, Release 20
Content of Selected Foods per Common Measure, s Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid (mg sorted by nutrient content)

NDB# Description Weight (g) Common Measure Content per measure

09214 Orange juice, frozen concentrate, unsweetened, undiluted 213 6-fl-oz can 293.7
09125 Grapefruit juice, white, frozen concentrate, unsweetened, undiluted 207 6-fl-oz can 248.0
09250 Peaches, frozen, sliced, sweetened 250 1 cup 235.5
11823 Peppers, sweet, red, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt 136 1 cup 232.6
11821 Peppers, sweet, red, raw 149 1 cup 190.3
09226 Papayas, raw 304 1 papaya 187.9
09189 Fruit, mixed, (peach and cherry-sweet and -sour and raspberry and grape and boysenberry), frozen, sweetened 250 1 cup 187.5
09136 Grape juice, frozen concentrate, sweetened, undiluted, with added vitamin C 216 6-fl-oz can 179.5
11821 Peppers, sweet, red, raw 119 1 pepper 152.0
09403 Apricot nectar, canned, with added ascorbic acid 251 1 cup 136.5
09206 Orange juice, raw 248 1 cup 124.0
11333 Peppers, sweet, green, raw 149 1 cup 119.8
14334 Pineapple and grapefruit juice drink, canned 250 8 fl oz 115.0
11670 Peppers, hot chili, green, raw 45 1 pepper 109.1
14242 Cranberry juice cocktail, bottled 253 8 fl oz 107.0
09320 Strawberries, frozen, sweetened, sliced 255 1 cup 105.6
11091 Broccoli, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt 156 1 cup 101.2
11334 Peppers, sweet, green, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt 136 1 cup 101.2
09316 Strawberries, raw 166 1 cup 97.6
09215 Orange juice, frozen concentrate, unsweetened, diluted with 3 volume water 249 1 cup 96.9
11099 Brussels sprouts, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt 156 1 cup 96.7
09200 Oranges, raw, all commercial varieties 180 1 cup 95.8
11333 Peppers, sweet, green, raw 119 1 pepper 95.7
09404 Grapefruit juice, pink, raw 247 1 cup 93.9
09128 Grapefruit juice, white, raw 247 1 cup 93.9
11242 Kohlrabi, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt 165 1 cup 89.1
09226 Papayas, raw 140 1 cup 86.5
09207 Orange juice, canned, unsweetened 249 1 cup 85.7
09126 Grapefruit juice, white, frozen concentrate, unsweetened, diluted with 3 volume water 247 1 cup 83.2
09209 Orange juice, chilled, includes from concentrate 249 1 cup 81.9
14277 Grape drink, canned 250 8 fl oz 78.5
11090 Broccoli, raw 88 1 cup 78.5
11301 Peas, edible-podded, boiled, drained, without salt 160 1 cup 76.6
09266 Pineapple, raw, all varieties 155 1 cup 74.1
11093 Broccoli, frozen, chopped, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt 184 1 cup 73.8
14267 Fruit punch drink, with added nutrients, canned 248 8 fl oz 73.4
09123 Grapefruit juice, white, canned, unsweetened 247 1 cup 72.1
11101 Brussels sprouts, frozen, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt 155 1 cup 70.8
09148 Kiwi fruit, (chinese gooseberries), fresh, raw 76 1 medium 70.5
09200 Oranges, raw, all commercial varieties 131 1 orange 69.7
11512 Sweet potato, canned, vacuum pack 255 1 cup 67.3
09124 Grapefruit juice, white, canned, sweetened 250 1 cup 67.3
11578 Vegetable juice cocktail, canned 242 1 cup 67.0
11819 Peppers, hot chili, red, raw 45 1 pepper 64.7
08058 Cereals ready-to-eat, KELLOGG, KELLOGG'S PRODUCT 19 30 1 cup 61.2
09153 Lemon juice, canned or bottled 244 1 cup 60.5
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Looks like peppers are a good source of vitamin c, just need to eat about a dozen and you are set :)