On Death

[Muxel]

For that matter, how can you be "you" when you die, when you have presumably cast away the physical body which had all the neurons/synapses, the glands, the hormones, the hair, the bones, the muscle - i.e. all that made you, "you"?

Because "you" are really only your consciousness/awareness, which is non-physical, even if it is influenced by the physical.

That would open another can of worms because I'd then ask, what IS consciousness? And also that I am not doubting the existence of non-physicality, but would I still be "me" in non-physicality as I am now in the physical state?

 

[Muxel]

Not necessarily just the metaphysical and paranormal, there is some interesting information out there of children remembering names of certain people, events from a certain area and time etc. they could not have picked up from their environment, and an explanation often can't be found, thus increasing the possibility that they could be possible memories from past lives.

I am onboard with the concept of reincarnation, but I don't know the how and why of it. And even if we do reincarnate, the fact remains that I "am" alive, now, and I "am" in a body which had a definite beginning and will have a definite end. For all intents and purposes, this is my life now, and this is my existence now. I cannot really know what "comes after", it's a Catch-22 as I said.

 

[Muxel]

I think a thorough reading of the wave would clear that question up for you

When you ask me to read The Wave, does that mean you don't think Death is a question fit to pose to the C's?

 

[electrosonic]

I think a thorough reading of the wave would clear that question up for you

When you ask me to read The Wave, does that mean you don't think Death is a question fit to pose to the C's?

I think it means that the subject of death has definitely been covered either through the wave books or the C's transcripts, so keep reading and in time you'll be able to narrow your question down to something more specific.

Type 5d into the search bar for a list of topics for starters ...

 

[Muxel]

But on whose authority do we know that there is such a thing as "5D"? The C's. And beyond that? It's like I said, our knowledge of Death and what comes after is a Catch-22. On that note, here is another snippet from the transcripts:

Q: Also, in a past session you made a comment 'pass the test.' I would like to know to what test this comment referred? What test must we pass in order to move to the next level of knowledge?

A: This you will know when you reach it.

Q: Alright...

A: Do you wish many repeat incarnations in 3rd density?

Q: Of course not! I want OUT of this density!

A: Then expect testing aplenty.

And if we do reincarnate, why do we do it? Is it a natural process? Is it a choice that is part of a natural "grand process"?

And how would we, knowing what we know now, best move on into that "long good night"?

 

[electrosonic]

But on whose authority do we know that there is such a thing as "5D"? The C's. And beyond that? It's like I said, our knowledge of Death and what comes after is a Catch-22. On that note, here is another snippet from the transcripts:

Q: Also, in a past session you made a comment 'pass the test.' I would like to know to what test this comment referred? What test must we pass in order to move to the next level of knowledge?

A: This you will know when you reach it.

Q: Alright...

A: Do you wish many repeat incarnations in 3rd density?

Q: Of course not! I want OUT of this density!

A: Then expect testing aplenty.

And if we do reincarnate, why do we do it? Is it a natural process? Is it a choice that is part of a natural "grand process"?

And how would we, knowing what we know now, best move on into that "long good night"?

What have your discovered so far on these subjects through your own searches?

 

[Muxel]

What have your discovered so far on these subjects through your own searches?

You mean to my questions above? Not much as yet.

 

[bjorb]

Hi muxel,

[quote author= muxel]But on whose authority do we know that there is such a thing as "5D"?[/quote]

I believe OBE (out of body experience) + reincarnation memories has been a well recorded phenomena. It doesn’t prove the existence of 5D. But it proves that life after death is real. 5D was mentioned by the C’s. The C’s have a well established track record so its worthy of taking it into consideration.



[quote author= muxel]And if we do reincarnate, why do we do it? Is it a natural process?[/quote]

According to the C material :

All there is lessons. This is one infinite school. There is no other reason for anything to exist.

That would mean I think that the purpose of reincarnation is to produce a set of experiences which will grand the opportunity to learn lessons.



[quote author= muxel]And how would we, knowing what we know now, best move on into that "long good night"?[/quote]

Like always and with everything. Follow our conscience best we can. To do this ‘The Work’ is essential. How else can we become conscious and be sincere in trying to help others? This process also entails learning our lessons.

 

[Siberia]

For that matter, how can you be "you" when you die, when you have presumably cast away the physical body which had all the neurons/synapses, the glands, the hormones, the hair, the bones, the muscle - i.e. all that made you, "you"?

Because "you" are really only your consciousness/awareness, which is non-physical, even if it is influenced by the physical.

That would open another can of worms because I'd then ask, what IS consciousness? And also that I am not doubting the existence of non-physicality, but would I still be "me" in non-physicality as I am now in the physical state?

Hi Muxel,

In addition to the materials already mentioned here, you might also wish to read The Law of One by James Allen McCarty, Don Elkins, and Carla Rueckert. The subject of death and after-death experience has been covered there extensively too. For example, in Book II, Session 30 February 24, 1981 you can find the following:

Questioner: Upon our physical death, as we call it, from this particular
density and this particular incarnative experience, we lose this chemical
body. Immediately after the loss of this chemical body do we maintain a
different type of body? Is there still a mind/body/spirit complex at that
point?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The mind/body/spirit complex is quite intact;
the physical body complex you now associate with the term body being but
manifestation of a more dense and intelligently informed and powerful
body complex.

Questioner: Is there any loss to the mind or spirit after this transition which
we call death or any impairment of either because of the loss of this
chemical body which we now have?

Ra: I am Ra. In your terms there is a great loss of mind complex due to the
fact that much of the activity of the mental nature of which you are aware
during the experience of this space/time continuum is as much of a surface
illusion as is the chemical body complex.

In other terms nothing whatever of importance is lost; the character or, shall
we say, pure distortion of emotions and biases or distortions and wisdoms,
if you will, becoming obvious for the first time, shall we say; these pure
emotions and wisdoms and bias/distortions being, for the most part, either
ignored or underestimated during physical life experience.

Hope this helps.

 

[Muxel]

[quote author= muxel]But on whose authority do we know that there is such a thing as "5D"?

I believe OBE (out of body experience) + reincarnation memories has been a well recorded phenomena. It doesn’t prove the existence of 5D. But it proves that life after death is real. 5D was mentioned by the C’s. The C’s have a well established track record so its worthy of taking it into consideration.
[/quote]
Hi bjorn, I don't think we can be sure that OBEs prove life after death. OBEs might possibly be brain phenomena. Also if there is "life" after death, I'm quite sure it's not the kind of life we have now, where we think and feel, because the life we have now is inextricably linked to our body. Those are my thoughts on this.

 

[Muxel]

Ra: I am Ra. In your terms there is a great loss of mind complex due to the
fact that much of the activity of the mental nature of which you are aware
during the experience of this space/time continuum is as much of a surface
illusion as is the chemical body complex.

In other terms nothing whatever of importance is lost; the character or, shall
we say, pure distortion of emotions and biases or distortions and wisdoms,
if you will, becoming obvious for the first time, shall we say; these pure
emotions and wisdoms and bias/distortions being, for the most part, either
ignored or underestimated during physical life experience.

Hi Siberia, thanks for the quote, it seems Ra is saying what is carried over after death is the distillation of our emotions/thoughts in our lifetime. I suppose that would be the case (for sure we don't take our prefrontal cortex over after death!) and it makes me question if this means that our "subconscious" carries over.

 

[luke wilson]

Muxel, why this subject, why now?

On death, I suspect no one can give you any definite answers. You can't know for sure what happens next. What you do know, is that at some point we'll all find out. Until that point, does it really matter for solid answers? We are alive now, we may as well take this chance to do stuff only those who are alive can do, to utilize this gift of being incarnate in physical bodies. When death comes, then you'll deal with it at that point. You can contemplate mortality if that'll make you feel better but just leave it at the level of contemplation because any more than that and you'll just drive yourself crazy trying to find solid answers of which you can't have (I suspect from whatever source you look to)?

In my eyes, what's more interesting than what happens on death, is what's been happening with Muxel.

 

[Ðekel]

Ra: I am Ra. In your terms there is a great loss of mind complex due to the
fact that much of the activity of the mental nature of which you are aware
during the experience of this space/time continuum is as much of a surface
illusion as is the chemical body complex.

In other terms nothing whatever of importance is lost; the character or, shall
we say, pure distortion of emotions and biases or distortions and wisdoms,
if you will, becoming obvious for the first time, shall we say; these pure
emotions and wisdoms and bias/distortions being, for the most part, either
ignored or underestimated during physical life experience.

Hi Siberia, thanks for the quote, it seems Ra is saying what is carried over after death is the distillation of our emotions/thoughts in our lifetime. I suppose that would be the case (for sure we don't take our prefrontal cortex over after death!) and it makes me question if this means that our "subconscious" carries over.

Or perhaps the prefrontal cortex forms "around" your consciousness ?
Perhaps all these physical forms and chemicals correspond to a non physical system and simply act as a gate through which sensations become the experience of a less-physical soul ?
The brain might be a linking organ and not what you actually are..

 

[Joe]

but would I still be "me" in non-physicality as I am now in the physical state?

Well I can answer for the Cs on that one with some confidence:

"Wait and see" :D

 

[Joe]

And if we do reincarnate, why do we do it? Is it a natural process? Is it a choice that is part of a natural "grand process"?

And how would we, knowing what we know now, best move on into that "long good night"?

Muxel, from these questions I can only conclude that you have either not read the Wave series and all of the sessions, or you have not read them with enough thought and attention.