opiate withdrawal

davey72 you have to want to get better, to be whole. REALLY want it. You have to want it more than anything else. And then you have to be willing to do what it takes to achieve that, whatever it takes. That's the mindset you need to instill in yourself. My impression is that you need to sit yourself down and have a heart-to-heart talk with yourself about what you really want from life. I know from personal experience such conversations are hard, very hard, but there is no other way. You may cry, you may scream, kick and fight, but it's all a battle within YOU. But you have to go through it. You have to pass THROUGH it, beyond it. Your life really does rest upon your shoulders.

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Davy,

Let me just say two things I have learned in this life.

1) I cannot help anyone who doesn't truly want help.
2) If I really want to do something, I gotta just DO IT (as they say).

The mind will play games with fear of letting go. Let It Go, or live with it. Your Call.
 
For those of you who have kicked a drug addiction/or currently working hard to kick one – I just want to say – Bravo! And more power to you. Don’t ever give up – it is a battle for your very soul.

I lived next door to a young lady who ended up totally destroying her life with drugs. Her demise took only 3 short years. As far as I can gather, it started with pills and ended with her injecting meth every couple of hours. I was devastated to see her picture on the front page of the news – a shell of her former self. She was involved in the shooting of a police officer and in a shoot out with police. Her accomplice was shot dead. She survived several gunshot wounds and is being held for murder, attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder. My heart is very heavy over this. I feel like I should have done something to help her – when she was just starting pills. She disappeared after getting hooked on meth, only to reappear as front page news. It is a real tragedy.

So keep up the good fight and don’t let the drugs win.
 
Ditto
I agree 100% with the past few post. Poor poor pitiful me does nothing for you. Been there, done that, wrote the damn book on it. As well, and I have said this in other posts, you have to be ready to go balls out if you want to get off of it. You have to be physically and mentally ready or you will fall right back into the hole. Use all the tools that are in front of you. At the moment I am in a holding pattern with my Suboxone. I have a surgery coming up in April that will put me off my feet for a month. At current I am in diet change and mental change mode. Just hang in there Davey! You have many options.
 
I have tried for the last couple of years only to find I'm using up the ones I didn't take to compensate for late refills. I'm in very poor health since my wife passed away several years ago (4-2009) ...

I can eat only soft foods and drink six Boost per day along with vitamins and minerals. My problem is not able to make the soft foods required since my health/disability has made it impossible to do regularly. I was able to go through the withdraws but the pain wouldn't allow me to continue. I've read where pain can be so severe where it becomes psychopathic which scares the heck out of me because I'm not that.

If there was anything I could do to get off, I'd do it. Like I said the pain has gotten so bad to where I can't sleep at night, especially when it rains. I also have a handicapped child I support and know the other family members can't help since it's hard for them not being able to find work.

I use to take Excedrin everyday because of constant headaches which turned into migrant headaches until the recall and couldn't find one to replace Excedrin.

I ordered Vitamin C in power form last November and been doing it since, which stopped my headaches. It's cost is $70 per pound an last my son and I just under two months. If there was something like that to rid the pain I suffer I'd do it.

I have prayed and cried over my situation, which the crying doesn't help, but sure makes me realize I need to do something and fast in order to get my mind back.

I've read the books Laura mentioned. But it's the pain I can't deal with.

Are some folks stuck with this situation until our next life?

I purchase my sons food at good restaurants everyday but know they should be homemade!

To be honest, my family on both sides think I'm a nut job for the things I say and read. I've purchased 90% of Laura's book and continue purchasing the Dot Connector, which I lay around my home praying someone will pick them up and read what others say, but with no one wanting anything to do with what I say, think, or read. What's amazing is that my son wants to know the things I read.

Yes, I've read the Wave along with the Adventure Series along with exploring our history of what others have said. I've even purchased the books mentioned in both of Laura's great Series.

My problem is recalling everything I've read, which is difficult because of the pain medications. I found myself wanting my mind more than the pain pills. I know the one place to go is here, where there is others that think the way I do. At first I didn't think I belonged since I hadn't read a lot of the material.

I have learned a lot about myself through reading G.'s material along with Gnosis Volumes.

I wonder at times when Jesus returns, he'll find me and cure my situation with pain. I've also started eating the soft foods or, I should say, drinking them. I can't sit/stand for long since the pain affects me to where anger rises up, which bothers me a lot. I continually watch myself or, observe self to change self within.

I know I'm addicted, but I also know I can go through withdraw but it's pain I can't deal with. Also, the psychiatrist said I had a low threshold to pain. I tend to believe he was correct.

Can someone help with this and, where do I go to post since I'm new? Aren't we to write something up about ourselves prior to joining the forum? I'm so thankful for this forum. I use to say God bless you's but now, I just say Thank You Sincerely! And that's from someone that knows he needs help from others.

Oh yea, I forgot to mention I'm not good at all with computers.
 
jonjan,

I'm so sorry to read about your situation. Just like you, I hate pain - used to reach for the paracetamol/acetaminophen every time I had a headache... I can only imagine what you're going through.

I don't know anything about withdrawal, but I think these might help:
1. Diet changes
2. Éiriú Eolas
3. Cold (?)

For example, the casein in dairy might be triggering your headaches. Gluten might have opened you up to all sorts of autoimmune disorders and food allergies. Not sure about those Boost drinks... couldn't you put some meat and fat in the blender and drink that instead?

You may make a new thread here to introduce yourself.

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Hi jonjan,
I've been on powerful opiates for a long time and learned that they themselves can cause pain. It's called
opioid-induced hyperalgesia. To put it simply, long term opiate use has been show to actually increase sensitivity. So, I'm not sure about the circumstance regarding your psychiatrist saying you had a low threshold for pain. There are other issues with long term use of opiates, including loss of testosterone.

Are you seeing a pain specialist? if not, you might want to see if you can find a pain clinic. Where I live (Canada) we need a referral from our family doctor. Not sure if it's the same for you. These specialist often have quite an array of tools at their disposal, besides opiates. As well, medical support when trying to reduce opiates is advisable and can include sedatives to help ease the discomfort and withdrawal.

When I first started on theforum, My tolerance to my painkillers had grown so much, I couldn't believe how much I had to take just to get some relief. But after making changes to my diet, eliminating any food I could possibly be sensitive or allergic to, and then further adjusting over to more of a high fat, low carb diet, my pain is greatly reduced and I don't have to take anywhere near the amount I had to before. After 20 years of dealing with neurosurgeons, neurologists, rheumatologists and other specialists, not one of them ever suggested diet could have an impact. It was a combination of research on this forum and my pain specialist that led me to experiment with diet.

Perhaps there's something there for you to examine.

You have my sympathy,

Gonzo
 
There is no doubt that, once addicted to opiates, your body's tolerance to pain decreases. The reason being that the opiates take the place of your bodies natural pain killing abilities and thus you must continue to imbibe artificial painkillers to "maintain." There is no breaking free of those chains without paying for it. At least, there is no way that I'm aware of. The pain will not kill you, especially if it is a medically supervised withdrawal.
 
Bar Kochba said:
There is no doubt that, once addicted to opiates, your body's tolerance to pain decreases. The reason being that the opiates take the place of your bodies natural pain killing abilities and thus you must continue to imbibe artificial painkillers to "maintain." There is no breaking free of those chains without paying for it. At least, there is no way that I'm aware of. The pain will not kill you, especially if it is a medically supervised withdrawal.
Well, that depends on the intensity of the pain. Since many chronic pain sufferers end up killing themselves, I'd beg to differ. As well, continuous exposure to pain (especially levels above a 5 on the pain scale) release so many stress hormones which could, theoretically, degrade the system enough to kill you over an extended period of time. Pain does need to be managed. So, I hope you are being sympathetic to jonjan's pain.

Jonjan, depression is also a side effect of pain, which increases pain perception. Those experiencing chronic pain often report significant reduction in pain levels (a drop of three points is significant to anyone experiencing anything over a 5) when measures are taken to deal with their depression. Since we know about the dietary connection to mood, it's really important to understand our optimal diet. If you haven't had a chance yet, you might want to read the Diet and Health section. I also found EE helped me tremendously in this regard.

Gonzo
 
I apologize to Jonjan if I came off harsh. I empathize with the situation, caring for another while dealing with physical pain AND the addiction that came with treating that pain.
When he said that he could deal with the withdrawal but not the pain, I misunderstood him to mean the pain of withdrawal.
 
Hello Jonjan,

I sure do understand how never ending pain can drive one to the brink of hell. I also understand how opiates and other assorted meds work in the short term. Problem I experienced is/was that over time the meds only create a new stage of hell to live with. Gonzo had a few excellent comments about diet. Very important. Although I am not, nor ever will be pain free, life is beginning to get tolerable. Why? Because I've been on this forum with people who care. And many many here can relate to what you live with. So if you choose to, listen and try out some of the good comments I've seen here. Also, search the forum to read of the many threads that perhaps you can relate to. What it boils down to, is you. All is your choice. There is no quick sure fire cure. Takes time and Work. Life is a roller coaster, full of ups, downs and quick jerks. If you want to, remember to keep networking here. As long as you try and work at it, many here will support you.

To start with, why not search the Diet & Health section for " PAIN "? And ask questions on what you find...

AL today and will see what tomorrow brings...
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Thank you very much for such great suggestions.

I ordered Éiriú Eolas several years ago and continue doing it but not every day.

I've read Detoxify or Die and Life Without Bread. I can't seem to find the book Laura mentioned that dealt with Calcium. I think someone wanted to read it several years ago since it's not in my library.

What bothers me the most is that I was told I could have a heart attack if I stopped doing them cold turkey. I'm saving for a Blender that will grind meat up. My blender won't do meats that have been cooked. Every time I try eating soft foods I end up getting sick or feel full. Yet, my plate looks like it hasn't touch. But I know I need to start slow again and work myself up which is what I'm doing.

I'm also wanting to purchase that Juicer Mixer that Joe Cross introduced that mixes fruit and vegetables. Problem with that one is that its not available since its sold out. I'm still checking every other day so when its sold again I'll get it if I have enough saved up.

I don't have insurance for a pain specialist. All that was taken away from me when Worker's Comp. dropped my case.

May I ask Muxel what was meant by Cold? I have had chills during withdraws when I tried stopping. The neurologist said I had extensive nerve damage and there wasn't anything that could be done except pharmacology. I'm sure we all know what that means "Poison".

Having support from folks like you's that have had this problem will help me overcome this bad situation I'm in. Just being able to communicate with others is a big blessing.

Depression is one thing I try to stay away from. I'm always looking inside myself to stop anything like that to surface since I have a son that needs me. I get confused at times since the C's said when were thinking about others were not STO's. I may be saying that incorrectly or misunderstood it.

Anyway I thank you all for such great help with your recommendations. I know I have a strong will which helps but its my understanding that bothers me.

I recall what Ark said once: "That he's able to now contribute something to the Forum since he's experienced the waking up process". Those weren't his exact words but it was something like that. I feel the same way since I've read a lot and understood a lot of what the C's had to say even though it takes me a long time to just read a book.

I'm ready to introduce myself to the website/forum. I'm also ready to join the Fellowship of the Cosmic Mind and need a application since my copier doesn't work. How do I get one sent or can I just copy on paper from the website and submit it?

It's such a relief knowing there's such folks as myself that do care for others. I think my biggest problem is having to much Compassion for others. Is that wrong? I know what true love is now thanks to Laura's great books. And now I can share that with other like-minded folks on this forum.

Now on too my introduction since I know where to start.
 
the_hammer said:
Hi Davey.

Have you had a look into Buprenorphin (Subutex® in DK don't know if it has the same name in the US)? At the ward where I work, we had a patient 5 years ago who was getting off Methadone and it seemed to really work. It took him about 3 months from when he started taking Subutex instead of Methadone to be completely clean.

Good luck!

Ibogaine is illegal in the US and Canada, ie not approved, but is legal in England and elsewhere in Europe. When I researched addiction four or five years ago there was very little out there on Ibogaine, but it was temporarily effective for many people, providing they changed their lifestyles and dropped their old friends or they would tend to fall back. Seemed promising at the time and there is a lot more information now than there was back then. There are some other important things in the natural substance categories for pain and addiction that may ameliorate symptoms. I will have to check my old files (some are missing) and see if I can dig something up...
 
ziggystarlust said:
I will have to check my old files (some are missing) and see if I can dig something up...

Please don't, since it is illegal in the US and Canada. Thanks.
 
anart said:
ziggystarlust said:
I will have to check my old files (some are missing) and see if I can dig something up...

Please don't, since it is illegal in the US and Canada. Thanks.

My old files had info on "nutrients" like say Reservatrol and some Frequency Machines that were helpful. And at one time, MELATONIN became ILLEGAL in Canada and was pulled from shelves, only to reappear due to public outcry. So you want to bar discussion of that? What about LSD for studied benefits. Sott.net has 15 articles on its purported therapeutic benefits, alcoholism being one of them. Do a search. Should we ban a discussion of "whole milk", as in unpasteurized, because some states have outlawed its sale? Just because the government deems something illegal, doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed if there are proven theraputic results.
 
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