opiate withdrawal

I will give some comment on trashy northern cities. Let us dig here. Thirty years ago, perhaps a bit longer Eastman Kodak was the largest employer in our area with Xerox in second and Bauch & Lomb, Gleason works (gear manufacturing) , Rochester Products, Delco, were king. Manufacturing in the western NY area was HUGE. Now the largest employer (over 45 thousand) is The University of Rochester. It is, has been, and will always be a government supported, Guinna Pig laboratory. There is still manufacturing here but it is splintered into small niche based businesses. Sentry Safe is growing and prospering and with the fear based economy that we are faced with, the security infrastructure is growing by leaps and bounds. Sceeeeery indeed. The reason I threw U of R in there in the first place was to give those who are seeking to get out of the personal addiction business ie. opiate addiction some food for thought. That in some instances the cure can be as bad as or worse than the addiction they are trying to get out of. Anyways thanks for the encouragement :) :) :)
 
What about trashy southern cities? Or northeastern? I find these generalizations offensive, that's all. One need be more specific; Yahweh destroyed entire cities for being "trashy." :huh:
 
Trashy is subjective my mind. Trashy economy? Rochester's got it. We are #8 on Forbes list for worse places to get a job in America. As well like most major cities we have drugs, whores, psychopaths. In fact, we are home to Arthur Shawcross or at least his legacy. On the flip side we have a park with the largest variety of lilacs in the country and another park with roses of every imaginable color, size and smell. Over all, the city itself, is well trashy. The carpets roll up at 6pm and downtown is and has been dieing a slow death since the 80s. The divide between the rich and poor is quite obvious. Again though trashy is subjective. One mans trash is another mans treasure.
 
An update on this thread for me has been on my mind for awhile, but i have been nervous, as i haven't quite got off the methadone yet, and i feel kinda like a failure. I have been stuck at 20 mgs for awhile now. I am not even able to continue weaning myself off, as my Doctor is punishing me for saying that i didn't want to take any tricyclic anti-depressants for insomnia. He got very angry saying that do i have one of those degrees? and maybe i should take over his patients,etc. He really went over the top. All i said was "let me stop you, as i have done some research on this, and i do not think it is right for me" Honestly, thats all i said. He made me tell him what i knew, and said it was hogwash. Anyways, the next appntmt. i even read in his notes the last thing written was "OMG" so, i then made an even bigger mistake of telling him that i was waiting for some money to come in so that i could do ibogaine as a catalyst for the last 20 mgs, as i am certainly ready to quit. I have done extensive research into it, and spoken with a number of people that have done it. I do realize the dangers, and that it is not for everyone, but i do believe that it might be right for me. I am not saying that anyone should take this, or pushing it, just stating a fact. I do know that anyone thinking they are in the right place for this type of therapy better know everything they can about it, as it can be dangerous. Anyways, he then said that if i was to do that i would be cuut off completely "which is what i want", but he was really trying to scare me. When he realized that he really wasn't persuading me, he said that he was gonna cut me off cold turkey that day, cause i seemed to want to follow my own prescription. I had to beg him, and accept a bunch of limitations before he accepted me back. Now i am stuck going to a pharmacy that doesn't open till nine am everyday, as well. I then told him that the money i was waiting for didn't come through, so this option was no longer on the table. I will have to bs him just to oneday be able to be weaned off again, but hopefully i can figure out something else. I am looking at the ibogaine, but i will have to be very secretive about it. If this isn't censored here, i will post here if and when i have done it.
 
davey, I am so sorry that your doctor is an incredible as$hole and hapless pawn of Big Pharma. But this is your fight with the medical industry, and may you emerge victorious.

davey72 said:
i even read in his notes the last thing written was "OMG"
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This is unprofessional/immature behavior for a doctor pill pusher.

Nevertheless, I hope you're not planning on secretly dosing yourself with ibog@ine! How about seeing a different (preferably sane) doc for a second opinion?

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I will have to bs him just to oneday be able to be weaned off again, but hopefully i can figure out something else. I am looking at the ibogaine, but i will have to be very secretive about it. If this isn't censored here, i will post here if and when i have done it.
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davey, you know that the discussion of the use of illegal drugs is strictly forbidden on this forum and ibogaine is included in that. This forum in no way advocates the use of ibogaine or any other drug. Please don't discuss this here. There are many forums on which you can discuss drug use and rehabilitation - that is not the function of this forum.
 
Hi Davey.

Have you had a look into Buprenorphin (Subutex® in DK don't know if it has the same name in the US)? At the ward where I work, we had a patient 5 years ago who was getting off Methadone and it seemed to really work. It took him about 3 months from when he started taking Subutex instead of Methadone to be completely clean.

Good luck!
 
Hi Davey,
I read thru the now 18 pages of this very long post yesterday. It's Suboxone in the US it has Naloxone added so it cannot be injected. The road off of opiates is a bear and I know this from experience as I am in the same boat you are. I have also had issues with antidepressants and ant psychotic meds. Seroquel made me ohh my god sleep and eat. After much argument with my doctor he finally took me off of it. I cannot take any type of the above mentioned meds without some sort of bad reaction. I have had my share of doctors look at me like I had a third eye growing out of my head when I explain my position to them. In their eyes you are a depraved drug addict who really doesn't know anything about anything and they are your lord and friggin savior. Sometimes it's easier to play the game take the prescription home and the next time your in his office you say your having side effect X or Y. Meek as a dove sly like a snake!!!Dealing with petty tyrants is a bastard at best and some other choice words I can not use here.
I know you are in Canada, but Suboxone/ Subutex may be a good option for you if you are down to 20mg of methadone. I am currently on 10 mg suboxone atm but have been as high as 32 mg. There is no reason to be ashamed!!!!! As I wrote above " Drugs are a tipping trap especially for the seeker" Keeping in good faith with the one you call god is a good thing as well. I'm not advocating 12 step programs but I do know that some connection to the universal power has helped me thru some troubling times in my life. I wish you all the best in your endeavors to kick the beast to the curb. I have my own to deal with and I feel your pain.
 
If you want to go from methadone to suboxone, you will have to stop methadone cold turkey and wait for most, if not all, of the methadone to exit your system. Suboxone will have detrimental effects on you if you take it while having any other opiate in your body. It will send you into immediate withdrawal. And, btw, it is not true that one cannot inject suboxone and would not advise subs if you were an intravenous user.

Davey, I am not a professional but I do have practical experience in this entire area unfortunately. Most times, taking one drug to help you get off of another is not the answer. I stopped methadone cold turkey at 35mgs after many years of being on it. I still went to work at a physically demanding job while withdrawing. It can be done; it depends upon how bad you want it. I am not suggesting that you go cold turkey; I am just telling you that it is possible. It ain't gonna kill you. Only Super Efforts Count!

Get help, go to a detox, whatever you gotta do. As far as Ibogaine goes, I don't know much about it and wouldn't advise it. You are going to have to go through discomfort and pain no matter what path you choose to get clean; that's part of the price you pay for being selfish. Once you accept that, I think you will suite up for the game proper.

Best to you, bro.
 
Bar Kochba, at current, at least in my area of the world, they are using a bridging technique to go from Methadone to Suboxone using an antagonist based opiate such as oxycotin to lessen the detox from the half life of methadone. Cold turkey is a good option as well as it's a no pain no gain method but one has to be ready and I mean ready. Until that bloody hole in the person is in check ( anyone who is an addict knows about the hole) or filled by something it is pointless as you will be out using again in a short time. I have fought the hole in my heart for many years, I am at the point now where it is a fairly rare occasion when the demon rears his ugly head. Subutex can be done intravenously, Suboxone because of the naloxone in it, can, but at your own risk. There have been a few cases over the years of people dieing booting suboxone with benzos. It's a slippery slope anyway you go Davey. Some folks like Bar Kochba can do the cold turkey route, and I know some folks who have, and have 8+ years clean. Some folks cannot. Personally, I was just throwing out an option as I know how bad methadone can eat away at the body. Depression along with addiction is what I am currently dealing with. The crazies usually come out of the woodwork when we are at our weakest point as well so, keep your eyes open.
 
anart said:
davey72 said:
I will have to bs him just to oneday be able to be weaned off again, but hopefully i can figure out something else. I am looking at the ibogaine, but i will have to be very secretive about it. If this isn't censored here, i will post here if and when i have done it.
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davey, you know that the discussion of the use of illegal drugs is strictly forbidden on this forum and ibogaine is included in that. This forum in no way advocates the use of ibogaine or any other drug. Please don't discuss this here. There are many forums on which you can discuss drug use and rehabilitation - that is not the function of this forum.
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Ok,sorry. I thought it might be alright just to relay my situation. Also, given the fact that it is legally prescribed in Canada. was certainly not recommending it, or pushing it, as it can be very dangerous if not used in the right setting,and given by a Doctor. I will not mention it again.
 
the_hammer said:
Hi Davey.

Have you had a look into Buprenorphin (Subutex® in DK don't know if it has the same name in the US)? At the ward where I work, we had a patient 5 years ago who was getting off Methadone and it seemed to really work. It took him about 3 months from when he started taking Subutex instead of Methadone to be completely clean.

Good luck!
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Yes,this is just another drug, and something Anart does not want mentioned.
 
Hi again, davey. It's simply that this is not what this forum is for. We are not a rehab forum and it is beyond our scope to help with such things. In fact, trying to help with such things might actually cause harm. Regarding the illegal or controlled substances, it is for the protection of this forum that we do not allow discussion on that as has been explained at least a hundred times on this forum, as well as in the forum guidelines.

We all watched you go through rehab and tried to support you through that and it did little good. It would be best for you to focus 100% of your time and energy on getting completely clean and staying that way. Then, at that time, we can continue our discussions here on matters that relate to this forum and its purpose.
 
Mr Meowgi said:
Bar Kochba, at current, at least in my area of the world, they are using a bridging technique to go from Methadone to Suboxone using an antagonist based opiate such as oxycotin to lessen the detox from the half life of methadone.
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I would question the sanity of any doctor who would suggest using Oxycontin as a "bridge" to suboxone. Oxycontin is an opioid agonist, which puts it in the same group as any opiate meaning it attaches to opiate receptors in the brain. Suboxone's job is to immediately kick any opiates off the receptors, which would cause highly unpleasant results, to say the least.

Davey, one last word to you. I replied to you on FB, and have this to say: don't fall into the "poor me" trap. It is true that you are on your own, but so are we all. There is support and help to be had. I think I've reached the limits of what I can say here. It seems you have come to a crossroads; it's up to you. Do what you feel you need to do. If you are brutally honest with yourself, you will see clearly the path to take.

Best to you.
 
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Davey, one last word to you. I replied to you on FB, and have this to say: don't fall into the "poor me" trap. It is true that you are on your own, but so are we all. There is support and help to be had. I think I've reached the limits of what I can say here. It seems you have come to a crossroads; it's up to you. Do what you feel you need to do. If you are brutally honest with yourself, you will see clearly the path to take.

Best to you.
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Exactly - and nothing is more important than your health right now, so - please - understand that and live it.
 
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