opiate withdrawal

Gonzo said:
It is rare, but not unheard of, to have sufferers of moderate to severe chronic pain become addicted the opiates.

It's not rare at all. I worked in Human Services for a bunch of years and saw it was quite common actually. It makes sense why it is so common. Few doctors really heal the source of pain so patients are prescribed more and more pain meds.

Gonzo said:
Fortunately for me, my body just does not experience the high, so I can rationalize to some degree. It would be much more difficult if I could actually get that feeling by merely increasing the dosage or trying a different opiate, so I recognize how this inability certainly helps me fight the cravings.

A numbed response does not help fight cravings. Numbness comes from addiction. You fight addiction with feeling (which unfortunately comes in form of discomfort/pain), not more numbness.
 
Finding the source of the pain and correcting it is definitely the way to go. I never liked what opiates did to my brain and so, for me, it was the choice of pain and some clarity of mind which I preferred over reduction of pain and foggy mind. It wasn't the easiest choice and there were certainly times when I did accept pain relief meds, because I have suffered intractable pain for most of my life, but I always considered that to be a failure on my part, that I wasn't "tough enough" to cope.

So yeah, I was HIGHLY motivated to figure out the source of the pain and I've described that elsewhere: pain is inflammation; find out what inflames you and eliminate it from your life.

It's that simple and difficult at one and the same time. It's simple to formulate the theory, a bit more difficult (especially in this world of medical/health lies) to discover the practical application.

I live an almost pain free life now. I say "almost" because I'm still working on finding ALL the things that cause inflammation and sometimes that is not so easy. One thing that is getting easier is having the will to do it. When you understand how it all works, when you see the direct correlation between something you eat or use on, in or near your body, and resulting pain, it's a great feedback mechanism. You become highly motivated to NOT do that again! But you have to get the body response system to work as it was meant to in order to be able to do that which means that you have to remove all "drugs" from your system first - those things that mask the inflammation and inflammation causing elements; you have to eliminate all gluten and casein (which acts as gluten, binding to the opiod receptors in your gut) and then begin working on individual inflammatory factors one at a time, testing and identifying.

What is cool about doing that is this: usually it is the gluten and casein that is responsible for most pain so when you eliminate those two elements, you are half-way there.

So, that's my take on it.
 
Al Today, I think this is one of the very reasons for this forum. Your comments, and all the replies have given me a lot to think about. I believe the c''s said that we make psychic connections this way. Perhaps, then, we can help each other in ways we have yet to fathom?
 
Davey, your eyes may have skipped the beginning of the paragraph where Laura said:

Laura said:
I live an almost pain free life now.

I understood that to mean that yes, Laura is now pain-free for the most part... however, as could well be the case for all of us, pain now serves the useful function of homing in on the source of that pain.
 
One thing that I noticed about being drug free...it is easier to pin down sources of change in the machine. When I was taking medication, I would feel this way or that, mood wise or physically, but be unable to pin down the source because of "Oh, it could be the drug." So, there is that to look forward to when you become drug free. A more efficient and accurate observing of the self.
 
Kniall said:
Davey, your eyes may have skipped the beginning of the paragraph where Laura said:

Laura said:
I live an almost pain free life now.

I understood that to mean that yes, Laura is now pain-free for the most part... however, as could well be the case for all of us, pain now serves the useful function of homing in on the source of that pain.
Yes, thank you. Sorry Laura.
 
Hello all. I just read a few of my old posts, as i was doing a search on arthritis, and i cannot beleive how my views have changed since then. I attribute the change in perception to the EE meditation (that, and the fact that i was still actively using at the time). I am going to go over the whole thread again when i have some time.
 
What is going on now, Davey? When you said *still using,* did you mean still on methadone or did you mean using other opiates? Hope all is going well. Stay brutally honest with yourself and stay on your grind, bro.
 
Bar Kochba said:
What is going on now, Davey? When you said *still using,* did you mean still on methadone or did you mean using other opiates? Hope all is going well. Stay brutally honest with yourself and stay on your grind, bro.

Looks to me like he was referring to his past active abuse of opiates.
 
I wanted to know if, when he was referring to "actively using," he meant using opiates other than his prescribed methadone. And I also was curious to know if he was still taking methadone or not. I apologize if this was not clear. Using other opiates while coming off of methadone is obviously not conducive to recovery, because you are already using methadone to help you stop taking opiates! I am sure Davey knows all of this. I wish him the best.
 
Using other opiates while on methadone is pointless due to the antagonist properties of it. It counteracts other opiates. This is one of the things that make it so useful as a treatment method.
 
Seraphina, when one is coming off of methadone, the levels of medication in the bloodsream are no longer stable, thus the methadone no longer has as much of a *blocking* effect. Especially at a low dose. I myself was prescribed methadone, I was at 150mgs/day and still able to feel effects of other opiates. Methadone saved my life but was still very difficult to stop taking. FWIW
 
Bar Kochba said:
What is going on now, Davey? When you said *still using,* did you mean still on methadone or did you mean using other opiates? Hope all is going well. Stay brutally honest with yourself and stay on your grind, bro.
Ya, i was using other things still occasionally at the time. I wasn't really being honest with my self. This is part of what kinda blew me away after reading some of my posts back then. Hmmm, i guess i am getting a little healthier, after all.
 
Bar Kochba said:
I wanted to know if, when he was referring to "actively using," he meant using opiates other than his prescribed methadone. And I also was curious to know if he was still taking methadone or not. I apologize if this was not clear. Using other opiates while coming off of methadone is obviously not conducive to recovery, because you are already using methadone to help you stop taking opiates! I am sure Davey knows all of this. I wish him the best.
I actually did get off the methadone, but accepted a prescription of oxy contin because of my pain issues, which ultimately led to some pretty awful behavior. All within a couple months time. Went right back to injecting, and smoking crack. I realized right away that i desperately needed help, so i came to a treatment center(where i am now). This is the first time, as i always thought i could do it myself. Self delusion.
 
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