Paris shootout, explosions, casualties

[Joe]

Here's my take on it

Paris Attacks Reveal Bizarre ISIS Strategy and NATO's Strategy of Tension in Europe

Great article joe, I may have gone a bit hard in the comments section.

Softened it a bit.

 

[Seaniebawn]

Here's my take on it

Paris Attacks Reveal Bizarre ISIS Strategy and NATO's Strategy of Tension in Europe

Great article joe, I may have gone a bit hard in the comments section.

Softened it a bit.

Thanks man sorry about that

 

[Eulenspiegel]

I looked up the history of TGV accidents and surprisingly, this was indeed an improbable event considering that

The safety figures for the TGV system are exceptional; there have been no fatalities in high-speed operation since service started in 1981.

and

High-speed operation was never a factor in any fatal incident in the history of the TGV until November 14, 2015 when a TGV testing on the new Paris-Strasbourg line derailed violently into a canal, killing five and injuring seven, according to early reports.

Given that it happened the day after, there might have been something unusual going on.

 

[Chu]

I looked up the history of TGV accidents and surprisingly, this was indeed an improbable event considering that

The safety figures for the TGV system are exceptional; there have been no fatalities in high-speed operation since service started in 1981.

and

High-speed operation was never a factor in any fatal incident in the history of the TGV until November 14, 2015 when a TGV testing on the new Paris-Strasbourg line derailed violently into a canal, killing five and injuring seven, according to early reports.

Given that it happened the day after, there might have been something unusual going on.

... and, as Joe wrote on his article:

Prior to the attacks in Paris, France's worst terrorist atrocity was carried out in 1961 by the "Organisation of the Secret Army" (Organisation de l'armée secrète) when it planted a bomb on the Paris-Strasbourg train line, derailing a train and killing 28 people. The OSA grew out of NATO's 'stay behind' paramilitary groups (known collectively as Operation Gladio) that were tasked with preventing European nations from siding with the Soviet Union and thereby posing a direct threat to US global hegemony.

The 1961 train bombing was specifically designed to prevent then French President Charles de Gaulle from signing the Evian accords that ended the France-Algeria war and paving the way for Algerian independence from France (and therefore NATO). A few days before the derailment, a threat had been sent to the station master and a police investigation into the tragedy found was that it was a deliberate attack. This information was, however, kept secret for 20 years.

Members of this same Secret Army Organisation, in league with US intelligence, made several attempts to assassinate de Gaulle. After the most serious attempt in 1962 when the President's car was raked with machine gun fire by a member of the OSA, officers of France's external intelligence agency still loyal to de Gaulle traced the assassination attempt through Permindex, the Swiss corporation linked to the assassination of JFK, to NATO headquarters in Brussels, Belgium.

 

[mabar]

... and, as Joe wrote on his article:

Thanks for the article, Joe. And it also mentions:

So given that "ISIS" is being effectively routed by Russian airstrikes and the Syrian Arab Army, why would the ISIS leadership choose to add to their woes by massacring French civilians and provoking the expected French military response against ISIS in Syria and Iraq. I mean, do these people actually enjoy having Western bombs, in addition to Russian ones, fall on their heads?

and, in one of the comments, Pierre mentions;

Notice that since its first run in 1978 no one single TGV had ever derailed. So the derailment that just occurred near Strasbourg is a rather improbable event.

De Gaulle who opposed imperialism faced a major train 'accident' near Strasbourg in 1961. Hollande who moving towards Putin and, de facto, not complying with the Empire, just faced a similar event.

With;

_http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-man-arrested-in-belgium-following-raids-in-brussels-linked-to-isis-a6734666.html

President Francois Hollande said the attacks were an "act of war" that had been "prepared, organised and planned from abroad" with assistance from within France.

Hollande was telling the truth there.

I missed the part that France was moving towards Russia, after hearing what Holland said, my first thought was that they (France) was going to war against itself.
What about the french aircraft that recently is going to/went to fight IS... the article does not specify the date.

France to deploy its only aircraft carrier against Islamic State
Published time: 5 Nov, 2015 18:27

France said it would deploy its only aircraft carrier – the Charles de Gaulle – to boost its military operations against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL).
“The deployment of the battle group alongside the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier has been decided to participate in operations against Daesch [ISIS] and its affiliate groups” the French president’s office said in a statement issued on Thursday after a defense cabinet meeting, Reuters reports.

“The aircraft carrier will enable us to be more efficient in coordination with our allies” Hollande said at the opening of a new defense ministry headquarters in Paris, adding that it will “bolster Paris’ firepower in the region amid international efforts to launch Syrian peace talks.”

President Hollande also said France wants to support the Vienna process and to make progress towards a political transition in Syria, the statement says. He added that fighting Islamic State and putting an end to the bombing of civilians must be core elements in any future accord, noting that president Assad cannot be part of the Syria’s future.

France launched its anti-IS airstrikes in Syria in September after a year of similar operation in Iraq[/b]. It used six Rafale jets deployed in the United Arab Emirates and six Mirages stationed in Jordan, according to AFP.

France conducted almost 1,300 aerial missions in Iraq which carried out 271 airstrikes destroying 459 targets. France has only carried out two airstrikes in Syria.

France’s only aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is the biggest European ship of its type. Moreover, it is the only nuclear-powered aircraft carrier outside the US. The Charles de Gaulle can deploy up to 40 fixed wing aircraft and helicopters.

...wanted to bold some parts, but I entered into a confusion mode, though.

 

[mabar]

And the panic/scare continues, reading the updates at RT, to whom's mind ocurres to deal with firecrackers?? in Paris, near the place!!

15 November 2015
18:37 GMT
The panic around the Place de la Republique in central Paris was triggered by a false alarm, police have stated.

People had gathered at the square in the heart of the French capital to remember the victims and those injured in the November 13 attacks. They heard loud sounds, which they believed were shots being fired. Police urged members of the public to seek shelter.

Le calme est revenu. Les policiers informent les gens : fausse alerte, à cause des pétards. pic.twitter.com/WZ9b1xr4NN

— Cyril Bonnet (@cyrilbonnet) November 15, 2015
The police later established that firecrackers being left off caused the panic.

The incident occurred near the Le Carillon bar, which was the scene of one of the November 13 attacks.

18:31 GMT
The death toll from the Paris terrorist attacks has risen to 132 after three people lost their lives in hospitals around the city after failing to recover from their injuries, AFP reports.

18:04 GMT
Hundreds of people who had been gathered at Place de la Republique in central Paris dispersed suddenly on Sunday evening for reasons that were not clear, a Reuters witness said.

The people suddenly all began running away from the square.

Panic, people flee #ParisAttacks memorial during live report; poss false alarm https://t.co/Z8TWDHvLNV pic.twitter.com/PfNtKCvvMT @El_MUERkO

— RT (@RT_com) November 15, 2015

17:50 GMT
At least one person has been injured after a shootout took place in the heart of the French capital – on the Saint Martin street, a RIA Novosti correspondent reports. Police have arrived at the scene.

17:42 GMT
President Hollande plans to prolong the state of emergency for a further three months, Le Figaro reports. The newspaper said a bill is going to be presented on Wednesday and will subsequently be examined by the French parliament.

17:21 GMT
French police have posted a tweet with a photo of an individual who is suspected of being involved in the terror attacks in Paris on November 13. Police said that the suspect is a French national.

URGENT PHOTO: Image of suspect likely to be linked to #ParisAttacks posted by French police https://t.co/Z8TWDHvLNV pic.twitter.com/NzmUpGgiF7

— RT (@RT_com) November 15, 2015
16:05 GMT
Three brothers were involved in the Paris terror attacks, a security source has told AFP, adding that one of them may be at large.

14:03 GMT
Two of the attackers involved in the Paris attacks were French nationals residing in Brussels and Molenbeek-Saint-Jean - a municipality of the Brussels-Capital region - Belgian public broadcaster RTBF has reported, citing the federal prosecutor's office.

13:39 GMT
Seven arrests have been made in Belgium in connection with the attacks in Paris, according to a Belgian official, as cited by AP.

13:38 GMT
Along with three Kalashnikovs, police discovered five full magazines and 11 empty ones in what is the suspected getaway vehicle used by the terrorists after the Paris attacks.

 

[Ellipse]

Far-right settler rabbi: Paris attacks are payback for the Holocaust: _http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Far-right-settler-rabbi-Paris-attacks-are-payback-for-the-Holocaust-433084

 

[Rich]

Breaking: French and German Intelligence Services Knew Paris Attack Was Coming a Month Ago

I wouldn't be surprised if they knew something even earlier than that. I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians also knew, and that may have been a big part of the reason they went into Syria when they did. Or maybe not, who knows...

That's an interesting thought. If that knowledge was in Russian hands, maybe it was seen there was a chance the attack could have been thwarted. Or positioning during a window of opportunity to minimise the inevitable escalation that will follow. It does open ones eyes to the realisation that we folk on the outside have access to a small percentage of the information behind the geopolitics curtain.

 

[Ellipse]

I don't recall it have been posted: Ex Jewish Bataclan owners just sell the establishment 2 months ago.
_http://fr.timesofisrael.com/les-anciens-proprietaires-juif-avaient-recemment-vendu-le-bataclan/

If I remember well, the World Trade Center was sell just prior the 9/11 too.

 

[Ellipse]

Just Friday morning, security officials in France’s Jewish community were informed of the very real possibility of an impending large terrorist attack in the country, according to Jonathan-Simon Sellem, a freelance journalist and a representative of French citizens in Israel.

The Jewish community, already on high alert ahead of several planned high-profile events Sunday, had been told that after several minor attacks in France this month, a large terrorist event was thought to be on the horizon.

Security experts in France, Sellem told The Times of Israel from Paris on Saturday morning, are now comparing the country’s situation with that of Israel.

On BFMTV, France’s largest mainstream news channel, defense analyst Dominique Rizet said what is happening in France today has been happening in Israel for the past 20 years — and it is just the beginning.

The Bataclan theater, site of Friday’s deadliest attack, was until recently Jewish-owned, said Sellem. As the site of annual fundraisers for the IDF, it is frequently targeted by anti-Israel protests, phone calls and emails, he said.

But, Sellem emphasized, the Jewish community in France “should not fall into paranoia.”

He called Friday night’s attacks “very crazy.”

“It’s like living in Israel,” said Sellem. He had intended to be at the soccer match at Stade de France on Friday night, but instead went to a movie, which was interrupted in the wake of the four-pronged attack and patrons told to go home.

Sellem said central Paris was a ghost town on Friday night — with no vehicles in the streets, nor people on the sidewalks.

But on Saturday morning, said Sellem, he felt a more normalized Paris — albeit with a bolstered security presence. The airline he is with flying on Saturday, he said as he prepared to take off from Charles de Gaulle airport, is trying to elevate its security measures with more questioning, a la Israel’s national carrier El Al.

“But they don’t know what to do. They’re really not ready for this,” he said.

source: _http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-france-defense-experts-see-parallels-to-israel/

Only a boasting?

 

[angelburst29]

Is this another “Never let a good crisis go to waste” opportunity? This article has me a bit confused? I can understand the need to beef up security in New York City, what I don't seem to understand is - why is NYPD in France?

NYPD deploying extra security around New York City after terrorist attacks in Paris
http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/2015/11/13/nypd-deploying-extra-security-around-new-york-city-after-terrorist-attacks-paris

The NYPD is deploying extra security around New York City after terrorist attacks in Paris that have left as many as 120 dead.

The department issued a statement Friday evening noting that the NYPD is “in close touch” with their French police counterparts, as well as the FBI.

As part of an” enhanced counterterrorism overlay” the Counterterrorism Bureau has deployed NYPD Counterterrorism Response Command (CRC) resources as well as the Critical Response Group (SRG) and Hercules Teams to crowded areas around the city, according to the department. Specific deployments at French government locations in New York City were made immediately after the attacks.

NYPD Intelligence Bureau Detectives in France are conducting liaison activities to assist the Paris Police in any way possible, according to the NYPD statement.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said in a statement, “Tonight I have directed New York State law enforcement to remain vigilant in the wake of these senseless attacks. The New York State Police, the New York State Intelligence Center and the Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Services are actively monitoring the situation for any implications in New York State and remain in constant communication with their local and federal partners.”


Then I came across this:

2013: NYPD and French Police Sign Liaison Agreement
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/pr/pr_2013_06_28_nypd_and_french_police_sign_liaison_agreement.shtml

The partnership between the two agencies is designed to promote collaboration and enhance police training, crime prevention and counterterrorism. Under the arrangement, the NYPD and law enforcement partners in France will assist each other in addressing transnational crime issues such as the trafficking of humans, weapons and drugs; financial crimes, cybercrime, identity fraud, corruption and violent crime.

Liaison officers have no police powers in their country of assignment but work alongside international counterparts to exchange and enhance information and best practices.

Through its overseas liaison program, the NYPD Intelligence Division maintains working relationships with 11 international law enforcement agencies in Tel Aviv; Amman, Jordan; Toronto; Montreal; Paris and Lyon, France; Madrid; Abu Dhabi; London; Singapore and Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic.

NYPD Intelligence personnel work jointly with the Department's Counterterrorism Bureau to deploy resources as local and global conditions warrant. Following terrorist attacks in Jakarta, Indonesia; Mumbai and London, NYPD Intelligence detectives who serve as liaisons responded to the sites and provided analysis and data to inform security measures and deployments in New York City, as well as shared with members of the NYPD SHIELD program, which includes private-sector security directors.

 

[goyacobol]

Here's my take on it

Paris Attacks Reveal Bizarre ISIS Strategy and NATO's Strategy of Tension in Europe

Great article Joe! I really liked the humor where your said:

After 6 weeks of Russian airstrikes however, ISIS is now losing ground faster than a 3-legged donkey in a horse race, and their paymasters in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Washington DC can't seem to funnel enough money and weapons to them to make a difference.

I know it's difficult to find any humor in all this but it helps sometimes for me anyway. I couldn't help but think that at least some of this seems to be based on a veiled symbolism of dates and events. Like someone mentioned earlier the Friday the 13th date corresponding to arrest of hundreds of Knights Templars in 1307.

Also the synchronous timing of the train derailment happening at almost the same place that the 1961 wreck occurred was very interesting.

The train bombing carried out by the NATO-created OAS terror group on the Paris-Strasbourg line in 1961

Prior to the attacks in Paris, France's worst terrorist atrocity was carried out in 1961 by the "Organisation of the Secret Army" (Organisation de l'armée secrète) when it planted a bomb on the Paris-Strasbourg train line, derailing a train and killing 28 people. The OSA grew out of NATO's 'stay behind' paramilitary groups (known collectively as Operation Gladio) that were tasked with preventing European nations from siding with the Soviet Union and thereby posing a direct threat to US global hegemony.

It seems to me to be a rather interesting coincidence then that, one day after the Gladio-style Paris attacks, a French train on the Paris Strasbourg line derailed, killing 10 people. While authorities almost immediately discounted a deliberate attack and blamed "excessive speed", police investigating have said the cause is still unknown.

Thanks for the insights and well written article.

 

[JEEP]

Is this another “Never let a good crisis go to waste” opportunity? This article has me a bit confused? I can understand the need to beef up security in New York City, what I don't seem to understand is - why is NYPD in France?

Well, you just gotta luv "coincidence"! Wasn't it fortuitous that those two French brothers just happened to be making a documentary about NY firefighters on 9/11 AND just happened to capture on film the first plane crashing into the North tower of the WTC!

From wiki:

Jules Clément Naudet (born Paris, April 26, 1973) and Thomas Gédéon Naudet (born Paris, March 27, 1970) are French-born American filmmakers.

The brothers, residents of the United States since 1989, were in New York City at the time of the September 11 attacks to film a documentary on members of the Engine 7, Ladder 1 firehouse in Lower Manhattan. Jules captured the only clear footage of the first jet, American Airlines Flight 11, hitting the North tower of the World Trade Center.

Naudet brothers 9/11 Documentary - 1st plane hits North Tower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miA8Td4oNcY

Hmmm - were they there to "document" the event just like the nine dancing Israelis?

Interestingly enough, one of the reasons I knew right off the bat that 9/11 wasn't what it was being propagandized to be was due to a program on 60 Minutes that featured a former French judge who had switched to investigating terror events - I think he was the head guy or otherwise prominent. He stated right on air that France had sent the US a whole stack of info relating to the ongoing terrorist threats/attacks & clearly had a 'heads up' in re to the potential terrorist who attempted to cross into US from Canada for a planned bombing of the Los Angeles International Airport. An intuitive female Customs Inspecter pursued a closer look at the suspect & his hidden stash of explosives & other incriminating paraphernalia was found. The claim that the US had no clue about domestic terror threats couldn't have been more bogus - just like Condi's claim that no one had ever imagined using a plane as a weapon. Total BS!!!

 

[luc]

Fear of muslims? Like that wasn't already the case... association with muslims and terror? Again, it's the case in most people's mind... refugees are bad? All this just to convince people to hate refugees? Extreme if you ask me... And where did these refugees get this capabilities from? Plus, why would they attack their host country and make things worse for themselves? IS can strike from anywhere at anytime narrative? I suppose... kinda extreme as well if you ask me. It's meant to be a menace out there in the middle east, terrorising and de-stabalizing governments to make them ripe for the picking by the war hawks and corporate interests. The French President is saying this is an act of war? Against who is he going to go to war with? Some shadowy organisation of proxy mercenaries most likely funded by secret agencies? And war with Syria? Assad isn't ISIS. Russia is in Syria, they won't be bombing/attacking Damascus with Russia about, plus it'll be a stretch for them to tie this attacks all the way back to the door step of Assad. The might tie it back to his country, but to his doorstep?

In short, if this is a false flag attack, I have no idea what the end game is.

Maybe a little bit of all that? I'm a little suspicious of many "conspiracy theories" that try to "nail the ultimate motive" of the empire's actions - yes, they are playing some sort of chess game, but let's not forget they are psychopaths! I always remember the example in (I think) Martha Stout's "Sociopaths next door" of this guy who always gave false alarms and *always* got caught, spending time in prison! When asked why he does it, he said that he "likes to make people jump". I mean, he shot himself in the foot all the time, just because he "likes to make people jump" and feels powerful that way! This is the kind of insanity we are dealing with here... And this ties in with what the Cs said once, that starting a war just to make a few bucks "is psychopathy for you". This also ties in I think with the ultimate purpose of "entropy" - simple destruction, wrecking havoc to anything "higher", to any noble spirit, any form of compassion and acts of conscience, like Orwell's eternal boot on people's faces. So yeah, while there may be geopolitical reasons to all this, it's also possible that someone just thought it's a great opportunity to "make some people jump". Then, other psychopaths join the frenzy, using the event to expand the police state or to gain something on the geopolitical chessboard etc. Or, they played a game with those who "love to make people jump" in the first place, making them jump, with the added benefit of furthering their agenda... I don't know, it's really hard to understand this kind of sickness... fwiw.

 

[RedFox]

We had the two minutes of silence for remembrance day on the 11th Nov (in the UK), now this:

_https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-observe-a-minutes-silence-for-victims-of-the-paris-terrorist-attacks

Flags fly at half-mast on Whitehall government buildings and UK will observe a minute's​ silence on Monday 16 November 2015
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A minute​’s silence is to be held across Europe on Monday 16 November at 11am (UK time), in remembrance of those who lost their lives in the series of terrorist attacks in Paris, France.

The terrorist incidents, which took place on Friday 13 November, claimed at least 129 lives and resulted in widespread casualties.

As a mark of respect and expression of solidarity, all Whitehall government departments have lowered their Union Flags to half-mast.

Local authorities are not bound by this request​,​ but may wish to follow it for guidance. Devolved administrations are responsible for issuing instructions for the flying of the Union Flag on buildings in their estate and others as necessary.

Members of the public who have been directly affected by the incidents in Paris, or who are concerned about family members and friends who may be directly affected can call the Foreign and Commonwealth Office on 020 7008 0000.