Pete Santilli: Dr. Judy Wood's handler? Cointelpro?

Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

Laura said:
DOCTOR Judy is looking more and more like she was sheep-dipped and brought onstage to discredit the high strangeness factors on 9-11.

It sure is looking that way!

I found the whole experience with Wood, Santilli, and the Woodites in the chat room quite 'jarring' during Sunday's broadcast. Which was/is an excellent example in 'real-time' that though I may think I am awake/aware, I am in fact asleep.
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

I found a ton of info about her...this one gives a timeline and shows she first thought the explosion was nuclear before she decided it was a DEW.

_http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2011/03/apparently-judy-wood-has-published-book.html
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Saturday, March 05, 2011
Apparently Judy Wood Has Published a Book
I am not going to bother to post a link, as it is easy to find and I think her "work" is pure disinfo. The main reason I am posting on it is there seems to be a resurgence in people pushing the DEW bullshit, and the Wood shills are out in force.

To wit:

To: Alan Miller

From: Eric Larsen

Subject: AN OPEN LETTER TO "PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11.com"

Cc: Dr. Steven Jones, Dr. James Fetzer, Richard Gage, Kevin Ryan

PREFATORY NOTE TO ALAN MILLER:

I composed this letter almost a year ago but held off sending it in the hopes that, by waiting, I could send it on the occasion of the publication of Dr. Wood's book, Where Did the Towers Go? That occasion has now arrived at last. Dr. Wood's book has been published and is now available to readers the world around, making this the real moment of truth. The question now, for every person in any way associated with the 9/11 movement, is whether that person is in fact interested in exposing the truth or, on the other hand, in continuing to cover it up. The publication of Dr. Wood's book is a momentous event, an event of incalculable importance to the entire world. It is time, now, for me to send you this letter.

Eric Larsen

February 17, 2011

The email then goes on for several long gag-inducing paragraphs, describing in the most laudatory terms describing how wonderful and courageous Wood has been.

I hope no one new is falling for this.

What really happened to the towers can be read about here.

UPDATE: A Simple, Informative Time-line of Judy Wood--

December 2005-- Judy Wood told me she thought the WTC demolition looked like a nuclear explosion, and was pursuing the idea that the WTC was nuked.

March 2006-- Wood had a conflict with Steven Jones over the color of molten aluminum; Wood's student Michael Zebuhr shot and killed under bizarre circumstances; Wood told me Jones gave a veiled threat to her after this.

September 2006-- Wood tells me about her beam weapon theory for destruction of the WTC, for the first time.

Other weird things about Wood:
1) she interned at NASA as a college student
2) after an accident, she was in a coma for a very long time-- hard to know exactly, at least several months. It is rare to have someone come out of a coma like that and be functional.
3) Wood got her graduate training at Va Tech, a school linked to intel agencies and the site of the infamous 2007 gun massacre. Wood told me one of her professors was actually killed during the attacks, a building where she had trained was a major site of the carnage, and she felt as if the killings were a message to her.
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

I've listened to Pete Santilli for a bit, and came too see, and only to realize this guy was an agent of the matrix. He "Operates" out of LA, California which is owned, and operated "buy" the Zio- psychopath's. From law enforcement, to the movie industry, and obviously the news media's to a boot, for psychological operations, of mind controlling the masses.

Judy seemed a little defensive, and marginally agitated at times. But i do feel, see her concepts, and the evidence she has collected that brings a strong case to what really happened that day in 2001. Not mention what the C's shared as well.

For her knowledge, and the dissemination of her work she has come under many kinds attacks, (as i understand), as well as having her life threatened. That kind of activity can ware on ones defense mechanisms to stay rational, centered, and sane.

I can only imagine when one approaches this kind of truth, "they" pull many string's in there attempt to suppress the information, at any cost.

Her website ( _http://drjudywood.com/ ), documents inconceivably, without making any accusations to whom is complicit, by stating the mere facts of what really transcended. It was totally operatically a staged event, obviously, to move the USSA to where it finds its self today, and soon global if "they" get there way.

Good show Joe, and all that participated. I learned something that day. :cool:
 

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Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

If we think further about this possibility, then we have to ask: Who wrote it?

And how was it pulled off?

Also Michael Zebuhr, her 9 11 student who was murdered, comes to mind again. And a not so nice thought, if you get my drift...:

Hesper said:
Pashalis said:
Also let us not forget that Michael Zebuhr, a pretty close student of her, who also started to research 911, was murdered. The guys who shot him, were quickly realised again. (From what I've gathered from her statements it seems that Michael Zebuhr was close to Judy).
How would you feel if the murderers of one of your closest students, who happened to also research 911, were realised, even though the evidence against them was obvious?

Kind of intimidating don't you think?

At this point I think she is more of an victim than anything else.

As for the Michael Zebuhr piece, it seems to me that she did her best to spin this horrible tragedy to her advantage in a feud against fellow 9/11 Scholar Steve Jones. Whether it was conscious on her part or not is difficult to say, since her consciousness is obviously tainted by some type of characteropathy. But from what I've found the man who shot him actually went to jail, and wasn't released from custody. Lies abound here, but I'm trusting my nose on this one and I smell a rat. I hate to sound so cold, but that is what it looks like from the following:

from: _http://911blogger.com/node/18474
It turned out that there was more to Wood's problems with Jones than just allegations about his scientific method. Wood claimed that Jones showed no special sympathy toward her regarding the violent death of Michael Zebuhr. She said that instead of a long note of sympathy, Jones was more interested in adamantly defending his experiments which proved that aluminum melts long before it glows brightly in daylight conditions. She also said that Jones used this phrase in an email sent to her, "we've done it before and we will do it again if need be".

Jones was no doubt speaking of the melting aluminum experiments, which he indeed "did again" in late August of 2006;
_http://911review.com/articles/jones/experiments_NIST_orange_glow_hypothe...

However, Wood repeated Jones' comments after a long diatribe about Zebuhr, and it's clear that Wood was consciously conflating the murder of Zebuhr with Jones' words, "we've done it before and we will do it again if need be". The phrase is posted in a similar context on Wood's website, but+the+sender+is+not+identified;

Here is the picture. Believing that a colleague was involved with killing your student wouldn't probably be too big a leap for someone with such paranoia and brain damage:

we-did-it-before.gif


and the man charged with the murder, despite numerous rumors and allegations that sneaky assassins did it:

_http://www.therecorddelta.com/V2_news_articles.php?heading=0&story_id=402&page=

A year ago, Billy Rae Deshawn Johnson, then 17, pulled the trigger on the gun that killed 25-year-old Michael Zebuhr, who had just finished dining at an Uptown restaurant with his mother, sister and her boyfriend. The killing shook Minneapolis because of the random nature of the crime in a normally safe neighborhood.

On Thursday, Johnson placed both hands on the defense table, hung his head, lifted his eyes to Zebuhr's mother across the room and said in barely discernible words: "I apologize for the loss of your son. ... I hope you will forgive me for what happened to your son."

Hennepin County District Judge Francis Connolly sentenced Johnson, now 18, to 30 years in prison with the possibility of parole after 20 years. Johnson pleaded guilty a month ago to second-degree murder. He had been charged with first-degree murder, but the charge was reduced in exchange for his guilty plea.

Mass hysteria. And obviously somewhere someone is benefiting from the mayhem and pathology that just keeps reinforcing one another in a positive feedback loop.

Edit: Guardian seems to have had the same thought:

Guardian said:
Laura said:
I'm kinda thinking in that direction myself. Make no mistake about it, the collected data is comprehensive and astounding. But she didn't do that by herself.

Well, one of her students was murdered under very suspicious circumstances?

_http://iamthewitness.com/Wood-Jones-fight.html

_http://michaelzebuhr.blogspot.com/
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

Guardian said:
Laura said:
I'm kinda thinking in that direction myself. Make no mistake about it, the collected data is comprehensive and astounding. But she didn't do that by herself.

Well, one of her students was murdered under very suspicious circumstances?

_http://iamthewitness.com/Wood-Jones-fight.html

_http://michaelzebuhr.blogspot.com/

And then Santilli tried to pin the murder of Michael Zebuhr on Jim Fetzer.

From the article "LUNATICS ‘R US: The Santilli/Wood/Sunstein Gambit" by Fetzer:

"Santilli has no scruples about defaming those of us who have been dedicating our lives to exposing the fabricated events of 9/11, going so far as to claim that I was involved in the death of Michael Zebuhr
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

I wonder what kind of grades Michael Zebuhr was receiving in her class.
No offense intended at all, Guardian, but Daryl Bradford Smith is not what I'd call a credible source of info, so be advised. This forum is already pretty familiar with him.
I remember when this Zebuhr murder was being discussed within the Scholars for 9/11 Truth group and throughout the 9/11 research community.
Some were trying to say the 9/11 perps murdered this guy and then there was the crap about Fetzer being to blame.
I know Fetzer personally. I doubt he could kill a fly with both its wings off, evenif he had a fly swatter as big as a frying pan.
Fetzer is more of a talker and a good talker at that.

Maybe Wood isn't used to doing interviews with honest-to-goodness 9/11 truth seekers?
I've seen this kind of thing before. The disinfo people often do put out great books - very compelling, mixed with truth and bs.
They have to have SOME truth in them at least, to make them pass the sniff test of other people who are educated/experienced in the fields.

But they typically avoid doing interviews with those who are outside the disinfo loop.
When they do, it's typically by mistake.
I think you folks were underestimated and the only way she could fend off any real questioning was to keep talking and talking and talking.
Maybe Zebuhr had more to do with this book than people realize.
Just my two cents' worth.
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

Lisa Guliani said:
Maybe Zebuhr had more to do with this book than people realize.
Just my two cents' worth.

That may actually be the key... to the book and the murder.
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

Andrew Johnson from "check the evidence" was repeatedly interviewed together with Wood.

One of those interviews:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL8_34AwN-o

Here you can read more about him, from his own website:
_http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=66

I thought I mention it, just in case we can find out more from this angle...
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

Pashalis said:
Andrew Johnson from "check the evidence" was repeatedly interviewed together with Wood.

One of those interviews:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL8_34AwN-o

Here you can read more about him, from his own website:
_http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=66

I thought I mention it, just in case we can find out more from this angle...

Thank you for sharing the video, Pashalis. :)

I just started watching it, and notice in the background, behind the guy doing the introduction, a logo with what appears to be an alien hand on top of or being held by a human hand. Underneath the logo is "On the Road" AMMACH. A cursory search turns up this site: "Anomalous Mind Management Abductee Contactee Hotline" _http://alienabductionuk.com/ammach-files/ammach-video-interviews

Curiouser and curiouser! ...

ADD: Joanne Summerscales, founder of AMMACH, starts off the interview by describing various types alien ships, alien beings, and then segues into "a different kind of physics" as her starting point or "base" from which to begin her discussion with Wood and Johnson. ... Wow ... :O
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

Laura said:
Lisa Guliani said:
Maybe Zebuhr had more to do with this book than people realize.
Just my two cents' worth.

That may actually be the key... to the book and the murder.

This is going to sound horrible, but putting the pieces in this thread together, it actually makes sense.

Zebuhr could have been doing his own research. If at some point he showed his notes and work to Judy, perhaps she thought that what he found was the key- but wanted it for herself so she could be in the limelight. If there was damage done due to the coma, who knows what she would have been willing to do or pay someone else to do. So Zebuhr was killed- by who it is not known (discounting official records). His notes and work could then taken and used as Judy's own. But there's one problem- she doesn't understand Zebuhr's work or how to relay it to the public.

Along comes Santilli- a known crook and human snake. Using his pathological finesse, he tells her he can get her published and that she'll be the famous researcher that solved 9-11. He becomes her manager and controls her very closely as he seems so adept at doing. And the web of deceit still continues to this day.

Obviously this is hypothetical, but there is information that would help unravel this web of lies, if it is even possible at this point:

1) As previously mentioned, what kind of grades did Zebuhr get. What was his level of intelligence?
2) Approximately when did Santilli become "involved" with Judy? Did they have contact before or after Zebuhr's murder?
3) Did Zebuhr ever have an online presence? If so, what does it show?
4) Do either Judy or Santilli have any prior links with the publisher of Judy's book?

I know this is a dark scenario, but after reading what Laura and Lisa wrote, this is the path my thoughts went down.
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

Robin said:
Pashalis said:
Andrew Johnson from "check the evidence" was repeatedly interviewed together with Wood.

One of those interviews:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL8_34AwN-o

Here you can read more about him, from his own website:
_http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=66

I thought I mention it, just in case we can find out more from this angle...

Thank you for sharing the video, Pashalis. :)

I just started watching it, and notice in the background, behind the guy doing the introduction, a logo with what appears to be an alien hand on top of or being held by a human hand. Underneath the logo is "On the Road" AMMACH. A cursory search turns up this site: "Anomalous Mind Management Abductee Contactee Hotline" _http://alienabductionuk.com/ammach-files/ammach-video-interviews

Curiouser and curiouser! ...

ADD: Joanne Summerscales, founder of AMMACH, starts off the interview by describing various types alien ships, alien beings, and then segues into "a different kind of physics" as her starting point or "base" from which to begin her discussion with Wood and Johnson. ... Wow ... :O


In "Dr Judy Wood Section Two" or part 2 (_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flw2rCjAkC4) of the video that Pashalis posted ("Dr Judy Wood Section One" _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL8_34AwN-o), interviewer Joanne Summerscales broaches the topic of Michael Zebuhr and his murder at around the 11:40 mark. DOCTOR Wood then tries to divert the topic to "glowing aluminum". Summerscales then brings the topic of Zebuhr back up, only to be told by Wood at the (14:11 mark): "I don't usually like to (pause) bring that (pause) because I like to keep things with the evidence, not murder-dum." Wood then chuckles or nervously laughs.
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

Wow, Robin. That is rather creepy. It makes you wonder if she knows a lot more about it than she cares to admit.

Thanks for sharing.
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

What do we know about the publisher of "Where did The Towers go"?

It seems that the publisher is called "The New Investigation".
_http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/buy/

I also would like to know how expensive it is to publish a 10.25 x 7.25 x 1.4 inch hardcover book, that contains a staggering number of over 860 high definition/colour images and diagrams and a seperate high definition/colour map sheet of the same size that is printed on both sides and is interfoliated? Further more the pages of the book seem to be rather thick and of a high quality compared to other books.

It is an astounding book and I really have to wonder.
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

Then there's the thing that Michael Zebuhr's uncle is William Zebuhr, who seems heavily involved with the 'free energy' crowd. Amongst other things, he is on the board of advisors of something called New Energy Movement: _http://www.newenergymovement.org


_http://www.newenergymovement.org/advisoryb.php#Zebuhr
Bill Zebuhr

William Zebuhr has a Master's Degree in mechanical engineering from Cornell University. He has experience in the large corporation world, the defense industry, and extensive experience as an inventor and entrepreneur in the energy and environmental fields. He has about thirty patents and a lot of experience with investors. He is founder and CEO of Ovation Products Corporation (see www.ovationproducts.com). The company has developed a small vapor compression distiller which has broad application in cleaning water for domestic and industrial use worldwide. This is a disruptive technology that will have a major impact in the multi billion dollar water industry.

Bill was founder and CEO of two other companies and cofounder of one. One of these was a major developer and manufacturer of solar heating systems and another is a major player in the heat recovery industry. These products have enabled the savings of hundreds of millions of gallons of oil.
Bill has had a long time interest in the fringes of science and technology and has helped raise seed capital for several inventors in these areas. It was this interest that led to meeting Gene Mallove and the association that resulted in becoming Chairman of the New Energy Foundation. Bill's broad practical experience, his interest in the connections between technology and metaphysics and the potential impacts on the environment will be helpful in helping to set the direction of NEM in the future.

Looking at the other members, we find e.g.

conference speakers

Martin Burger
John Dash
Mark Comings
Dr. Steven Greer
Brian O'Leary
Peter LaVaute
Nick Cook
Win Lambertson
Tom Valone
Kenneth M. Rauen

Many of the members seems to have founded various 'free energy foundations' that resemble each other - cross referencing each others work. Brings to mind the incredibly tangled web of Fucilla et co. There's also a connection to one Eugene Mallove who, as many others, is a founder of New Energy Foundation (how many founders can one firm have?).

From wikipedia:

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Mallove
He was a strong proponent of cold fusion, and a supporter of its research and related exploratory alternative energy topics, several of which are characterised as "fringe science".

Mallove authored Fire from Ice, a book detailing the 1989 report of table-top cold fusion from Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann at the University of Utah. Among other things, the book advances a conspiracy theory, claiming that the team did produce "greater-than-unity" output energy in an experiment successfully replicated on several occasions, but that the results were suppressed through an organized campaign of ridicule from mainstream physicists, including those studying controlled thermonuclear fusion, trying to protect their research and funding.
Mallove was murdered in 2004 while cleaning out his former childhood home, which had been rented out. Three people have been arrested and charged in connection with the killing. The first trial resulted in a guilty plea to manslaughter in April, 2012.
 
Re: Pete Santilli & Dr. Judy Wood - Psy-Ops - Cointelpro?

Given what looks like naive blame game going on over Zebuhr 's death (lack of proof and rude witch hunting over that incident even to this date) and subsequent quarreling in 911 truth movement , it is quite possible some body else has done the killing( i.e instigated ) to stir the passions and handle them individually ?.

laura mentioned how movement works in her 2006 article The Destruction of the 911 Truth Movement quoting Lisa about OPM ( other people's money).

OPM: Other People's Money
by Lisa Guliani

Several months ago I received a phone call from a journalist who happens to be a regular columnist for Jeff Rense. I'll call him Mr."X". We were discussing the whole "patriot/truth/9-11 movement" and he wanted to give me some advice on how he thinks Victor and I should be "playing the game".

When he asked how we finance WING TV, I told him we work day jobs. His response to this was hearty laughter, followed by the comment, "Listen, your problem lies in the fact that you guys don't have a racket. You need to get a racket."

My reply: "We're not interested in getting a racket."

Mr. "X": "Haven't you ever heard of OPM?"

Me: "OPM? No. What is OPM?"

Mr. "X": OPM is an acronym for 'Other People's Money'. "X" then went on to tell me how much easier it would be to run WING TV if we'd simply get other people to foot the bills for doing what we're doing. According to "X," that's how anybody who is successful is doing it. That's how the "big boys" like Jones and Rense are doing it. After all, you don't see them working day jobs, do you? The reason they're successful is because they understand how to play the game. And the name of the game is OPM.

I was pretty disgusted with this type of advice coming from someone who I'd presumed to be a person operating under honorable and ethical guidelines. I made it clear to "X" that we have no intention of playing their "OPM game". "X" said we're stupid if we don't do it because "everybody's doing it."

Everybody's doing it? No, not everybody. There are people like Thorn and me in the alternative media who are not feeding off the OPM free cash cow.

We ended the phone call, but this man's words have haunted me ever since.

Think about it. He's correct in saying that shysters atop the alternative media food chain are sucking money out of you like your pocket is a sieve, and that their shows and websites are breeding grounds to foment irrational fear and paranoia in the listening audience. And it works masterfully, because the most suggestible listeners dutifully pay up.

You don't see the "big boys" like Jones and Rense out there working for a living, do you? No. They don't have to, because they've got you doing all the work --- then forking over your hard-earned money to them.

Their websites are slick, polished, and highly suggestive that there is quite a bit of money behind them. So, where does the bulk of that money come from? It comes out of your pocket.

By buying their "end of the world" and "New Age" remedies, energized water, fake food (Ener-Food), toe fungus, British water filters, etc, you are enabling the OPM racket to flourish and thrive. You, the listener and consumer, are making it possible for these shysters to peddle their snake oil and propaganda on an ongoing basis. This makes it possible for the fear-mongers to sit back and watch the dollars roll in. With a scam like this, why should they go out and get a real job? The OPM racket is not a new one. We've all seen this before with unscrupulous televangelists. Peter Schaenk even compared these individuals to the huckster Elmer Ganty. You're their meal-ticket as long as you remain freaked out and sweating bullets. These men are fully capable of working (even part-time jobs) to pay their own bills. But y'see, they'd rather have you do that for them. That's why it's called a "racket".

In essence, you are paying them to bullshit you and feed you heavy doses of fear on a daily basis, and they hold themselves to be above questioning. The snake oil salesmen have no accountability because YOU don't hold them accountable. No wonder they're so smug.

Nice little racket, huh?
 
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