Pets acting strange?

[clerck de bonk]

why the guestion, Laura?

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Also, I keep in mind that only through human interaction can 2d beings graduate to being 3d beings

I think the C's said we can assist the process but I don't remember reading that we're required for it.

Edit: I wonder if this has to do with the economic situation. Some of your pets closer to 3rd densty must've lost a fortune in investments. Ok seriously though, if the economic situation is a "precursor" to big changes the PTB have in store for us in the near future, to prepare the ground for comets and other big things like the Wave, then perhaps the pets could feel a major change in "social structure". Maybe many of them will be torn away from their owners in the near future or something as a result of those changes? We know animals are sensitive to electromagnetic changes that might spell geological disasters before they happen. Maybe there's some electromagnetic or other effect as a result of some different type of near-future "disaster"? Or perhaps some high level technology has been "turned on" on some global level in preparation for changes PTB have for us, just some thoughts..

 

[Bholanath]

Ditto on the noticeably increased clingyness of our 2 fixed male cats (2-yr. old bros), following us around both inside and outside.
Ditto on neighborhood dogs barking all night, though here in a rural mountainous area, coyotes and other wildlife are probably around more, fattening themselves for the oncoming winter.

Partner and I have been noticing the cat behavior, discussing it for last few weeks. All we can figure out is "they feel it", if you get my drift.....
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[Laura]

The animals attempt to be near human beings at all times could be an other sign that the wave is approaching and that they too would like to make the jump. Of course only from 2D to 3D. And by being near humans they might pick up some lessons that will help them graduate? Weather this is a conscious act on their behalf is an other question.

Well, this is what I am noticing about our doggums. We have four and we have watched Cesar Milan and they are a very good "pack" and we've got a good handle on who is pack leader around here, so there are no issues of that kind.

What is becoming noticeably extraordinary is their almost obsessive need to be close to one of us lately. They have the run of the downstairs during the night and generally sleep in the salon. There are doors that close off the upstairs hall and lately, they have been sleeping next to those doors and very early in the morning they will start scratching and barking and agitating for someone to come open the door and let them in. I've tried going to let them outside, but that isn't what they want. They come to us like they are starved for the sight of us, jumping, nuzzling, "singing," (our dogs talk and sing), and so on. Then, they will park right by our feet - even ON my feet! - and don't want to move away.

Cherie, the baby, will sit on my feet, right next to my leg, leaning against my leg, resting her head on my knee, and sticks to me like glue. (Or someone else in the house, but mostly me.)

They are somewhat extra nervous lately, barking at seemingly nothing and I don't think we can put it down to the fact that they are very vocal dogs.

I guess the main thing I am noticing is this really unusually strong need for human closeness, touch, voice, etc which is kind of odd since they have each other for company and until a few weeks ago, were perfectly happy downstairs at night, and to run outside first thing in the morning, to play with each other, etc. They still do that, but there is an "edge" that is hard to describe. And when they come and try like heck to TALK to us, it is just downright unnerving.

Here are a couple photo albums chronicling our lives with our Doggimuses:

http://www.laura-knight-jadczyk.com/Trees_and_Dogs/

http://www.laura-knight-jadczyk.com/Three_Months_Doings/index.html

Cherie is nearly grown now - 10 months old. We'll be getting a new album up soon so ya'll can see how beautiful she is.

 

[Z...]

Just as there is not one type of dog, there is not one answer and I happen to know many dogs, including my own, who sleep on the bed and are carried and loved and are not, in any way, shape, or form, 'psycho pups' (granted, they are all small dogs - carrying around a large dog might indicate a 'psycho-human'. ;) )

this tells me that you were able to provide stable guidance on other levels which balanced the damage that could have been done by erors mentioned.
of course there are breeds that have been developed just for the purpose of being carried in lady's bags, my point was if your dog is nervous and you start carrying him around whilst baby talking to him - you are giving the affection to the dog that is in distress. That gives the dog a message that you like him to be in distress and that this is expected of him. That is very difficult task and many pups crack under pressure and develop all sorts of neurotic behavior be it clingness or howling - which effectively makes them psycho pups made by humans. Thats why I said having a dog is enormous responsibility and many people just fail to see this.

Dogs are pack animals and have very full and active emotional lives.

Definitely but we must not forget that their emotions are totally different then ours. For start unlike humans dogs live in the present moment which means they have great advantage over humans when it comes to emotional attachments, fears, traumas etc. connected to the past or future.
Why is the issues of sleeping in the same place with humans ( or feeding at the same time) so important?
Dogs need stable pack structure. They are not equipped to understand human psychology and they fully rely on their instincts which are passed through genetics. If the dog sleeps on the same level as the pack leader he doesn't understand that this is because his owner loves him, he understands this as sign of weakness and the message from the pack leader that he is not a good leader and that it is time to compete for the leading position.
This can cause enormous stress in the pup that is not cut out for the position of the pack leader and this stress will very likely manifest as some sort of neurosis or even psychosomatic illness.

Perhaps this is some sort of personal attack on Alice (though I can't imagine why...)?

Definitely not, I gave Alice the same advice as I give to my clients. If it came across as attack I apologize.

Yeah, I had a feeling that's where you were coming from. Again - some dogs are 'different' - just like some humans are 'different'. Did you think that dogs automatically just move from 'dog' to 'human' without intermediate developmental steps? I have no proof of this, however, close observation would certainly suggest that some animals interact on a different level than others.

I understand what you are saying, I see it on daily bases. But the basis is always the same. Dogs are just dogs, and firstly dogs then maybe, but just maybe and this varies individually, there is a space for something else. Most dog owners forget this fact and when they think they are being kind they are actually very cruel to the animal. What good is it to the dogs serving them File Mignon and let them sleep in satin sheets if you don't provide them with daily opportunity for vigorous exercise? What good is to shower dog with affection and emotional excitement when the dog is excited, nervous or anxious. This will just reinforce dogs neurosis. Instead its better to turn your back, yawn or lick your nose (if you can :) ) - as this is how dogs calm each other. Whoever wants to learn more - there is a great booklet called On Talking terms with dogs: Calming signals by Turid Rugaas.

It's obvious that you have very strong opinions about this, but it might serve you and your clients well to realize that 'one size fits all' answers very rarely work. Even more importantly than that, posting absolutes usually indicates that more is going on behind the surface than is 'written'. fwiw.

Well after seeing all these strong reactions I can see how this could have came across as very strong opinion or pontification as someone called it. I wouldnt call it absolute, rather always developing with established and proven certain points. I have made many errors in the past as anyone else and in the process I learned a lot, I also found simple solutions to many problems which were so basic and logical and yet they keep being overlooked. One size fits all is definitely not my approach, but before you can do anything you have to go back to the basics. And basics definitely fits all that were born as canine in BBM 2D.
I am aware how my tone could have upset you, but please try to understand that when I am communicating about something connected to professional expertise it comes very natural for me to step into my professional personality. And big part of it is to sound sure about what you are saying. God knows that I question myself and my judgments every step of the way but to show this to the client would be professional suicide. In any case dog psychology was always very interesting subject for me, especially since I saw how many serious medical issues can be
managed and corrected with simple insight into the difference between dogs and human mind and perception.

You seem rather like a commercial for Cesar here. Granted he has some great advice for folks, but I've never heard him say that allowing pets in your bed causes dog psychosis.

Since your remark about psycho pups is a rather assumptive statement - do you have viable proof of such psychosis, or is that more your opinion? As well, you appear to be generalizing for all pets. Frankly, the pets I've known over the years have been much like most people - all varying in certain degrees of awareness.

Well if you ask me I would make his show obligatory material for any would be dog owner. It would definitely stop a lot of animal suffering on this planet.
Not very nice part of my profession is witnessing immense animal suffering caused by sheer lack of knowledge or lack of effort to understand different species. The bottom line is animals are animals otherwise they would be born as humans and we always have to respect that fact.
I don't have conclusive proof for such statement, I mean scientifically documented. But please read my reply to anart - if we disregard simple code of ethics of dogs behavior we make their world living hell and yes this results in neurosis- psychosis is the term I wouldnt use for animal - and psycho pup is my personal coin and it is to be taken jokingly and lightly.

Well it is one way to vector a topic, even if unconsciously!!

Sure and I apologize for this. if the moderators find this topic interesting they can split the topic. My cup is definitely not full and if I wasnt interested what you guys have to say on the topic I wouldnt be posting here.

Yes, with some dogs you need to take an aggressive stand. But not all of the time, osit.

I would say (and so would Cesar) calm assertive, and all the time. Never aggressive.
It is not about dominance. Its about providing dog with stable environment in which he or she can thrive.
In Orage's text about conscious love - human relationship with dogs and horses is mentioned as one of the examples.
This brings us to the issue of free will and deciding for other. It is not out of free will that dogs live with us, we created them this way, or maybe creator wanted to lighten our existence on this planet by creating such wonderful companion species. Since its not anymore about free will least we can do in given situation is to try to completely understand their make up and their needs. OSIT

 

[Z...]

Well, this is what I am noticing about our doggums. We have four and we have watched Cesar Milan and they are a very good "pack" and we've got a good handle on who is pack leader around here, so there are no issues of that kind.

What is becoming noticeably extraordinary is their almost obsessive need to be close to one of us lately. They have the run of the downstairs during the night and generally sleep in the salon. There are doors that close off the upstairs hall and lately, they have been sleeping next to those doors and very early in the morning they will start scratching and barking and agitating for someone to come open the door and let them in. I've tried going to let them outside, but that isn't what they want. They come to us like they are starved for the sight of us, jumping, nuzzling, "singing," (our dogs talk and sing), and so on. Then, they will park right by our feet - even ON my feet! - and don't want to move away.

Cherie, the baby, will sit on my feet, right next to my leg, leaning against my leg, resting her head on my knee, and sticks to me like glue. (Or someone else in the house, but mostly me.)

They are somewhat extra nervous lately, barking at seemingly nothing and I don't think we can put it down to the fact that they are very vocal dogs.

I guess the main thing I am noticing is this really unusually strong need for human closeness, touch, voice, etc which is kind of odd since they have each other for company and until a few weeks ago, were perfectly happy downstairs at night, and to run outside first thing in the morning, to play with each other, etc. They still do that, but there is an "edge" that is hard to describe. And when they come and try like heck to TALK to us, it is just downright unnerving.

The first thing that comes to my mind is that your dogs are "seeing" (or sensing) something you can not.
This doesnt necessarily mean that you have some scary hyper dimensional visitors or that some natural catastrophe is on the way.
Dogs can literally smell illness (or different biochemistry)- in some parts of the world they use them for early diagnosis of melanoma. Also dogs are very good at picking up any disturbance in the household emotional balance , there is some evidence that they can even anticipate this.
I'd say its a reason enough to be extra vigilant.

 

[Gimpy]

When Dex (our big boofie dog) sits on our feet and leans into us, its his version of a hug. :D

I'm wondering if the dogs are sticking to you more often and 'talking' more from all the recent changes in health you've had too.

When my best friend passed away from ALS many years ago, it was so devastating that my cats never left my side. When I woke in the morning they were staring at me and kneading me with their front paws. They escorted me everywhere possible.

Whenever my health or Hubby's is not good, Dex and Aliah (referred to as The Gray Menace, Agent of Gravity) tend to be more attentive too.

You've had a recent health crisis, and there's all the global drek going on too....I think they're letting you know they care. :)


And the pictures are awesome! Puppies are wonderful arn't they?


Gimpy
off to hug the Dex-man

 

[Bar Kochba]

My two cats, Henry and Sneezer, are outside cats; they never want to stay in the house. Up until a couple months ago, that is. They began coming to the door and meowing. Henry actualy would stand and try to turn the door handle. Very strange behavior for them...but this makes sense. They've never acted like this during the 2 years I've had them.

 

[Vulcan59]

Great pictures, Laura. Just a question. What happened to your cat? I seem to remember that you posted a picture of a cat with Sebastian but I can't find it now. So, what's the cat up to? Is it behaving "abnormally" as well?

 

[Nienna]

Also, I keep in mind that only through human interaction can 2d beings graduate to being 3d beings

I think the C's said we can assist the process but I don't remember reading that we're required for it.

Uhm, actually I was thinking of what I read from the Ra sessions. :)

 

[Nienna]

Cherie is nearly grown now - 10 months old. We'll be getting a new album up soon so ya'll can see how beautiful she is.

Can't wait for the new pictures! They are always so fun to see.

 

[Lirpa]

My two Pugs sleep with me every night...even under the covers when it is cold. I hold them and nurture them all of the time. I even sing songs to them. I am a 3D spirit/mind/body/soul complex interacting with a 2D body/mind/soul group.

I am not merely a pet owner. I do not own them, I am in a partnership with them. I care for them well, daily walks, lots of love, good nutrition, etc.

They are not psychotic...they are well behaved, well adjusted beings and I am honored to be with them. Cesar Milan's tactics, while effective for some breeds and behaviors, are not really necessary for all 2D beings.

I sway more towards the school of thought of working with the animal rather than dominating it. They are all on different levels as we are in our progress.

I think Ruby, my female Pug, would be insulted if I tried that dominate thing. She would give me a look like "Oh really? Come on, we know you rule so get over yourself silly 3D being".

They never have to work for their meal. I just feed them. They deserve it just for being here on earth :)

 

[Nienna]

I would say (and so would Cesar) calm assertive, and all the time. Never aggressive.

Whoops! My bad. Been a long time since I've watched him and my terminology was off.

It is not about dominance. Its about providing dog with stable environment in which he or she can thrive.
In Orage's text about conscious love - human relationship with dogs and horses is mentioned as one of the examples.
This brings us to the issue of free will and deciding for other. It is not out of free will that dogs live with us, we created them this way, or maybe creator wanted to lighten our existence on this planet by creating such wonderful companion species. Since its not anymore about free will least we can do in given situation is to try to completely understand their make up and their needs. OSIT

Yep! That's what I'm doing! ;D

 

[Beau]

I am aware how my tone could have upset you, but please try to understand that when I am communicating about something connected to professional expertise it comes very natural for me to step into my professional personality. And big part of it is to sound sure about what you are saying.

But we are not your clients, nor is this a veterinary forum. You do not need to 'sell' your expertise to us. The part that you describe as 'professional personality' sounds to me like a mechanical part of yourself, one in which you do not practice external consideration.

For instance,

Dogs sleeping in the same bed with humans?! Dogs carried like babies?! Never, unless you want to raise a psycho pup.

This is kinda over the top, wouldn't you say? The number of people I know who allow their pets to sleep in their beds is quite high. To me, the above is a statement that needs to be backed up with facts, data. My feeling is that you personally detest having an animal in your bed and perhaps you are forming a professional opinion based on an emotional response to the situation. This can include selection and substitution of facts to fit this view. Note also that you are not a psychologist so labeling an animal 'psycho' so plainly and adamantly brings into question your objectivity. It seems such a diagnosis stretches beyond your professional expertise. OSIT

 

[FireShadow]

When I was around 12 years old, I raised a German Shepherd from puppyhood. Through a 4H club, I obtained the books on Obedience Training and trained her.

She slept in my bed every night. We played together as friends. Yet, when I gave a command such as "Stay", she obeyed it. A particularly difficult one for her was "Stay" when the propane man came to fill our tank. She really wanted a piece of him, yet when I told her to "Stay", she stayed. She would look at me, seeming to hope for a reversal of my command, but she stayed until I released her.

She was not "psycho" in any way that I was ever aware of. She was quite intelligent (for a dog) and made distinctions. If we welcomed someone into our yard, she would be friendly. If none of the family were around to let someone in, she would not let them in the yard (even regular visitors). Except for my best friend who would feed our animals when we were away from home.

Sleeping in my bed and wrestling with me in the yard did not seem to have any deleterious effect on her or our relationship. She may have been an exceptional dog, but I am sure she is not the only one, as I have read many stories of other exceptional animals.

I think it is important to be firm and assertive when needed and I think it wise to teach dogs basic obedience if for nothing more than for their own safety. I also think it possible for some humans and some dogs (and other animals) to relate to each other in a sort of species "cultural" exchange. We do some things because they need it and we do some things because we need it.