Possible war between Kosovo and Serbia?

I think that up to 2022 less than 40% of the population assimilated a capitalistic mindset; that is what gives hope ...
That is actually the main problem keeping us down right now. The worst part of the legacy of Yugoslavia is its mindset of something for nothing.
and even after 30 years of neglecting and steeling, public hospitals and schools are still 80% better than private in terms of the expertise of doctors and teachers because people kept socialist minds and refused to be classified by money
What are you talking about? The public health system is a joke and we have a bunch of undereducated dinosaur doctors providing outdated medical advice.
 
I'll take some flak for this, but I gotta say that Yugoslavia was not successful because of any internal reasons. It was successful because it was an agreed upon bridge between east and west and benefitted from that position. All of the progress and so called good living conditions were achieved through exorbitant loans from western countries.
There was no unemployment in Yugoslavia. How was that possible? Well, you had three or four people doing one man's work, every company had a person working the bloody cloakroom. You had cooks, nurses, dentists, all on the payroll of the company. It was a ridiculous system that worked because cheap loans were available. When Tito died, the loans got called in and the whole house of cards came crashing down.
There were no private companies, therefore no entrepreneurial drive in the economy.
It was, on the other hand, very much driven by workers sending money back to family from places like Germany. Germans welcomed Yugoslavs because they preferred them to the Turks.
All of this talk of Yugoslavia as some awesome country is the same thing as saying that life was better 200 years ago in general.
It's nonsense.

At the same time, it was unsuccessful mostly do to internal problems.
The war could have been avoided had Milosevic not fell for the US ploy of encouraging his attempt to militarily keep Croatia in the fold, or if he accepted the initiative to change the constitution to a confederacy, or if he accepted the plan to give autonomy to Croatian Serbs.

Are you an entrepreneur now in Croatia or a worker? What happened to entrepreneurship in Croatia? Do you know? Can you maybe explain our economy today?

And Yes, Yugoslavia was a bridge, but was it entirely controlled by the west like now, or did TITO manage to build a parallel world? That is what I think for the global situation now, not for us, is worth focusing on, as much, as I know not many societies in the world have that experience, and from there we can learn how to make a new society, as obviously all is broken. Matrix is broken ... who will build a new structure? As we can see, 4D STS are working hard to make a great reset ... so maybe it is good even to try to think about a human world that recently existed and still exist in the memory and life of real people ... :cool2:;-)

Yugoslavia is also a part of the globe that is serving now as an esoteric bridge ... if you didn't watch it, I highly recommend watching CInema Communisto ...
 
That is actually the main problem keeping us down right now. The worst part of the legacy of Yugoslavia is its mindset of something for nothing.

What are you talking about? The public health system is a joke and we have a bunch of undereducated dinosaur doctors providing outdated medical advice.
I had children in private school; they begged me to take them out.

I broke a leg last year and went to a private clinic thinking this what you wrote, they looked better, but hahaha it was funny as they sent me back to the public, saying literary that for my problem the doctor who is working in a public hospital is better there and they are not that experienced ...

There is a lot of mythology going on in minds of Croats who basically more or less live good and do nothing, and that is a legacy of socialism, not capitalism ... when it will end, probably next year January when all conversion to Eruo will be done and than with Shengen next year... and than maybe some will understand what we lost ;)
 
Are you an entrepreneur now in Croatia or a worker? What happened to entrepreneurship in Croatia? Do you know? Can you maybe explain our economy today?
Yes, I'm an entrepeneur.
What I see is that since getting rid of communism, a great deal of people began starting their own businesses and either succeeding massively because there was no real competition in most industries, or failing primarily because of the corruption, nepotism and general nonfunctioning of the state apparatus during the 90s and early 00s.

At the same time, many of the top businessmen got there by benefiting from the pilfering of state owned companies at the hands of the same communists-turned-democrats politicians and intelligence officers of late Yugoslavia.

These days, I see a lot of people who don't care about this and are taking advantage of a stable state with good infrastructure to make money doing legitimate entrepreneurship.
These are the people who either dropped the Yugoslavian mentality or were never really afflicted by it.

On the other side, and this is the majority, unfortunately, lie the people who can't get out of the past. And these can be both Yugonostalgics or Yugohaters.
Doesn't matter which, but what unites them is their mentality, which is best summarized as Expecting Something from Nothing.

And Yes, Yugoslavia was a bridge, but was it entirely controlled by the west like now, or did TITO manage to build a parallel world?

My view is that it was allowed and encouraged by both sides and that's how it profited.

Also, the much vaunted economy and living standard of Yugoslavians is another silly myth. The point was that everyone was more or less equally poor. Yugoslavia slowed the progress of its republics by at lest 20 to 30 years in my estimation.

I had children in private school; they begged me to take them out.

Don't know what the reason is, but of your kids said so....
Private schools teach the same basic curriculum that's required by the state. I wouldn't expect much difference.
Anyway, our education system is at least 20 years backwards.

I broke a leg last year and went to a private clinic thinking this what you wrote, they looked better, but hahaha it was funny as they sent me back to the public, saying literary that for my problem the doctor who is working in a public hospital is better there and they are not that experienced ...

I have had the exact opposite experiences. Consistently.
Doctors in Croatia are generally, and this would include the ones working in private clinics, but to a lesser extent, entirely out of their depth. They were badly educated by a system that wasn'tkeeping up with the times, and they're on the whole not interested in educating themselves any further. They spew obsolete therapies and approaches, they prescribe way to much antibiotics, they have zero bedside manner and they're overworked and don't care about their patients further than getting them out of the way to look at the next one.
Good luck getting an appointment for any significant test through the public system.

There is a lot of mythology going on in minds of Croats who basically more or less live good and do nothing, and that is a legacy of socialism, not capitalism ...

I'm sorry, but I can't make sense of this

when it will end, probably next year January when all conversion to Eruo will be done and than with Shengen next year... and than maybe some will understand what we lost ;)
This Euro thing is being blown out of proportion. Nothing will change. We've had the Euro in effect for at least 9 years.
The Kuna is directly linked to the Euro, and even if the Eurozone fell apart, it would be no different if we still had the Kuna.
This may actually be a good thing for the country, unless the the EU falls apart sometime in the next 10 years. In that case, it will be neutral.

Sorry for the long off topic post. Mods, please move to more appropriate page if you think that makes sense.
 
Russian ambassador in Belgrade: Russian military base can be created in Serbia

A Russian military base can be created on the territory of Serbia – this is the sovereign affair of the country. This, according to SM News, was announced by the Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of Russia in Belgrade Alexander Botsan-Kharchenko.

“As for the joint humanitarian center, it exists and operates for crisis response in the event of a humanitarian catastrophe,” he added.

But, it wont. Unless some radical change in serbian politicians. Which is not likely to happen.

Just yesterday I had conversation with a friend who is officer in the army electronic recconaissance, and asked him jokingly did we save our fatherland again. He said: "We sure did, till the september the first. We agreed that they (Kosovo Albanians) will "atack" us on sept. the first, and we will respond (harshly offcourse) on the september the ninth."
 
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Yes, I'm an entrepeneur.
What I see is that since getting rid of communism, a great deal of people began starting their own businesses and either succeeding massively because there was no real competition in most industries, or failing primarily because of the corruption, nepotism and general nonfunctioning of the state apparatus during the 90s and early 00s.

At the same time, many of the top businessmen got there by benefiting from the pilfering of state owned companies at the hands of the same communists-turned-democrats politicians and intelligence officers of late Yugoslavia.

These days, I see a lot of people who don't care about this and are taking advantage of a stable state with good infrastructure to make money doing legitimate entrepreneurship.
These are the people who either dropped the Yugoslavian mentality or were never really afflicted by it.

On the other side, and this is the majority, unfortunately, lie the people who can't get out of the past. And these can be both Yugonostalgics or Yugohaters.
Doesn't matter which, but what unites them is their mentality, which is best summarized as Expecting Something from Nothing.



My view is that it was allowed and encouraged by both sides and that's how it profited.

Also, the much vaunted economy and living standard of Yugoslavians is another silly myth. The point was that everyone was more or less equally poor. Yugoslavia slowed the progress of its republics by at lest 20 to 30 years in my estimation.



Don't know what the reason is, but of your kids said so....
Private schools teach the same basic curriculum that's required by the state. I wouldn't expect much difference.
Anyway, our education system is at least 20 years backwards.



I have had the exact opposite experiences. Consistently.
Doctors in Croatia are generally, and this would include the ones working in private clinics, but to a lesser extent, entirely out of their depth. They were badly educated by a system that wasn'tkeeping up with the times, and they're on the whole not interested in educating themselves any further. They spew obsolete therapies and approaches, they prescribe way to much antibiotics, they have zero bedside manner and they're overworked and don't care about their patients further than getting them out of the way to look at the next one.
Good luck getting an appointment for any significant test through the public system.



I'm sorry, but I can't make sense of this


This Euro thing is being blown out of proportion. Nothing will change. We've had the Euro in effect for at least 9 years.
The Kuna is directly linked to the Euro, and even if the Eurozone fell apart, it would be no different if we still had the Kuna.
This may actually be a good thing for the country, unless the the EU falls apart sometime in the next 10 years. In that case, it will be neutral.

Sorry for the long off topic post. Mods, please move to more appropriate page if you think that makes sense.

hey ... please forgive me if I am too direct, I am not the best person to say maybe unpleasant things in a more smooth way, but I hope we are all strong here ... so in short, thank you for posting; and I see the narative in your post I used to say to people just a few years ago, thinking it was my own opinion ... so indeed that is what I would like to work on, to clean more narratives out of my mind, and be on service and mirror to help anyone who wants to do it either, but it is difficult in person here as in Croatia it is almost impossible to do it on Croatian without breaking some furniture, plates, windows, throw out some mobile phones laptops etc ... or even get killed by drunk best friend ...

Generally, I went full circle of our national narative, I even was called at one point Željka Markić when she popped up sometime in 2011 - 12 haha, you will know the reference; idiotic to explain here, but just to show you the level of my confusion .... and I was entirely personally, emotionally, and professionally inside of every circle of our new Croatian society, now I see what it is partly, and I think it is worth to uncover it more ... our society and government is based almost entirely on a masonic and church-based connection through family bloodlines, that is going deep into the past more than 700 years ago, and it is all about material gain, nothing else is more important to them than money.

Attached to Vatikan, the most powerful Croats are indeed just front-row puppets, and they have an endless source of "money" they use just to control all of us. Now it is EU funds but not just that etc. And there I see the reasons why entrepreneurship in Croatia is almost deleted in these 30 years, instead to grow, because their source of money has nothing to do with the economy, and if anyone makes an economy out of some human work and happiness, in such a small country their masonic source will not be that attractive, as their source always needs some "problems" to be "solved" by them, so that is why nothing can grow and survive in modern Croatia.

In 1990 Tuđman sing the colonial contracts that they are executing now with Plenković completely, but what baffles me after I personally experienced the evil from within, is that Tito manages to make some shifts in the colonial contracts he sing, as at least he was allowed to be happy snob haha, not an angry dictator, what is the maximum that most of Croats want from promoted luxury lifestyle, and I am asking myslef how he managed to make it? As he didn't fake it ... today we can see all is fake what is presented to us, fake government and fake young "geniuses" businessman with EU funds as major investments, who made the american dream come true in Croatia ahahhaha ... so yes we are like a comedy show full of sad people.

In Yugoslavia people were proud and all geniuses openly, we enjoyed our smartness in a way ... jealousy wasn't that present as we knew by then how to accept those who were obviously smarter leaders and learn from them, and then how to take a leadership role when needed by ourself etc .. no one was less important than another person, yes we were a variety of people, some more hard-working, some more like what we will call toady a lazy fool, but okay we all had a place in society ... as those have been sitting in front of the "show" observing how those hard workers are hardworking ... haha and mostly we will all laugh at those overworked, and those lazy ones, as no one was doing what one wasn't capable to do .... all to all materialistic gain was seen almost like a sign of underdevelopment of mind and education ... was it because here when not tortured and scared of existence, we get tuned int the cosmic knowledge instantly?

Also, Tesla, he was from a family of priests and soldiers, related probably to many bloodlines of great importance for Europe through centuries etc, so that is how he managed to go from a little village in the mountains to NYC to do his job. But instead, to folow their lifestyle he refused it, he made his own show, he did a miracle, and even though he was hanging with them, he was never assimilated inside of the elite circles ... they were just slowing him down. Were they afraid of bigger forces than their overlords, that they can sense in persons like those? Can we say they are almost like radio emitters of cosmic knowledge, so as long as they live as an anchor of more human social structure, that will exist, and when they die if society doesn't recognize another druid or shaman, all will collapse... isn't it what is happening here now in this last 30 years?

The predatory virus is inside of each of us, so inside of each nation, inside of each group, inside of each person, and PTB and 4D STS puppeteers are simply playing that game inside of our minds, projecting the reasons for us to fight and look the world black and white.
What I see almost clearly is that our manipulated "elite" is simply serving us to their masonic predatory cannibalistic fiesta, as how to explain that they can torture their own people, telling them they are hypnotized by the lazy socialists and thinking it is help.

Also if we think that our country is also a huuugeeeee mass graveyard ... we have been literarily slaughtered every 50 - 30 years, and yes we are declining, but then again, at some parts, we are still growing and blooming and people don't want to move from our lands as it is literary FULL OF LIFE ENERGY.

And just to summarise for now how our country operates from globalistic and government pov:

Croatian major scientific national investments and work after the civil war are dedicated to numerous DNA state and privately owned labs.

Croatian economy, heh - we are the most EU-supported developers of autonomous cars + a few IT mega companies who are developing accounting and communication protocols for UK investors ... hm ...

Croatian tourism - 70% of our tourism is owned by a Saudi prince - Dalmatia, and the rest is by Lurssen group - Krvaner ...

Is there maybe something else that is going on here while we are blindly supporting that again? Or are those all-new narratives inside of my mind???
 
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I'm really enjoying hearing from all of you living in the ex-Yugo countries. My dad's family is from that area, they came over in the early 1900s before WW1, so they emigrated from the Austrian empire. His mom's family (my grandmother) was Slovenian. His dad's family was Serbian and Croatian. My dad's grandfather (Croatian) was much older and he paid for his grandmother (Serbian) to come over. Supposedly the families were not fans of the union and there was't a lot of mingling at the wedding, but maybe that legend was added later, I don't know.

My dad told me that one or two of his uncles (my grandfather's brothers) fought with the partisans and Tito against the Nazis. I think they spoke a bit of the language and I don't know if they were somehow smuggled in or what, but its always been a point of pride I think.

Anyway I've always been interested in my heritage so thanks for sharing your experiences.
 
I just stumbled upon this today and thought to share it here, as can put light onto the role of Croatia in this NWO happenings and ending of 3rd WWW, so maybe it is even for a new thread .. but anyway... .

In this video, you can hear and read in extra explanations who were the Croatian priests that helped smuggle fascists to the USA and for what. This might help to maybe see through lies about "Serbian nationalism" and the heathered that was presented to Croatian citizens as the reason for the war in the 90s.


This might also be interesting for Croats who don't know about this to look more to find how after WWII, almost double of Croatia was formed from the so-called "diaspora" - 4 million left in Yugoslavia and 4 million emigrated with the extensive help of the church and Matrix Croatia around the globe, from Germany, Sweeden, America, Canada, Argentina, Australia, Chile, South Africa, and NEw Zealand. That diaspora is composed of 90% of "patriots," or more truthfully and appropriate is to call them fascist and racist and ex nazi supporters, who claimed to be expelled by TITO dictatorship due to religious views. Well, I never had any trouble expressing my religion in Yugoslavia, so we know it was the 1st lie Croats accepted as truth that enabled the fascism of Croatian Catholics and Diaspora to be justified as patriotism in a "war" in 1990.

It was not any defense from the Serbian attack; it was a deliberate terrorist attack of the west planned in the 70s and trained through diaspora in the USA, UK, and Germany. I remember in the 1990s at that time, kids 18 years old were serving as news suppliers to big western news agencies; ask yourself who trained them???? To end up later on as the principal PR advisers, not to say order givers, to all governments no matter was it left or right, and today they serve as friendly hosts to Hollywood and UK stars at the remote islands of Dubrovnik, like Lopud and Šipan, with Franciscan monasteries turned into luxury hotels for world cannibalistic pedo elite, run by the fake Habsburgians ... ?!?!?

I hope Croatians will soon see, as it seems that this war is planned to end in Sarajevo this October.

Now, the BIG CROATS from Herzegovina - who are by the way, very tall and robust and even almost look like Saruman orcas, after 30 years, they didn't just expel Serbs from Croatia and Herzegovina, but they also "holocaust" normal Croats from Croatia, especially those who had human potential and intuitive genius inside of them and were capable of surviving in any circumstances on they own, what TITO amplified creating a country by people for people and not by enslaving others.

There is also two photos of the leading Croatian PR manager, who was 18th years old when the war started and who was the one who released info about the fall of Vukovar in Croatia; he knew it before Tuđman. Croats, who don't know that this man is in charge of all conflicts, can see these images and quickly understands the depts of lies we have been living for 30 years.

And here is the part of the text from the article I attached a screenshot, I deliberately removed the real names:

Š.-O.: I learned that Vukovar had fallen from the news at 3 p.m. The news was read by the announcer referring to a source from the Ministry of Information. As I found out, so did the President of the Republic. No one officially informed him ( poresident) that Vukovar had fallen. This news was first published by Reuters, and after that K.M**** ( 20th years old at that time ) , who was the spokesperson of the Ministry of Information, simply confirmed it on his own. He didn't ask anyone. That's how the news ended up in the media. - my comment - isn't it a bit suspicious?!?!
 

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'They (US and NATO) need conflict to make army.'

Belgrade Urges NATO to Stop Pristina's Special Forces From Entering Northern Kosovo

8 hours ago
BELGRADE (Sputnik) - NATO should prevent any attempt by Kosovo to deploy special police forces to the northern part of the self-declared republic or the Serbian people will take matters into their own hands, the head of Serbia's office for Kosovo and Metohija, Petar Petkovic, said on Thursday.

Kosovar Prime Minister Albin Kurti said previously that he will not further postpone implementation of the restrictions on entry from Serbia with Serbian-issued IDs and license plates, noting that nobody can prevent the special forces from entering the north of Kosovo.

"We have only one message for Kurti — NATO must stop any attempt of a ROSU [Regional Operational Support Unit] invasion into the north! If they don't do that, [then] this ROSU invasion will be stopped by the Serbian people," Petkovic said as quoted by his office.

The recent escalation between Serbia and Kosovo, which Belgrade sees as its breakaway region, was triggered when Pristina announced plans to introduce new border rules from August 1. The controversial move pushed Serbs to set up roadblocks. Kosovo authorities eventually decided to postpone implementing the new regulations until September 1, on the condition that the roadblocks are removed. Brussels urged the sides to negotiate further, but the talks fell through.
 
To read this is so sad ... mixing anger and hopelessness and complete disappointment to invest your time and effort into anything else but isolating yourself and simply keep on working on the development of your being ...

But never the less, Croatian "hospitality and generosity" will have a chance to show its "big heart" again as they show to Ukrainian "refugees" who are doing so good just a few months after the "horrible" war and happily investing in Croatian tourism, ready to help their fellow refugees from Balkans if "Russians" will provoke war again.

Thanks to EU money Croatia have brand new hotels, villas, and apartments for a new wave of refugees from ex Yugoslavia ... but well, there is a little glitch, 80% of the hotels are owned by Saudi Prince, even though it is a "democratic" "Independent" EU country ...

Apologize for my sarcasm, but I feel strong PTSP after 30 years of watching the same script ... :headbash::headbash: I never thought it would be like that again here, and I never thought that collective trauma could be felt so strongly individually ...

And is this coincidence or some cover-up ritual of masonic idiots, it is on the anniversary of the Vukovar "defense" that started on 25th August 1991 ... maybe there is something in that repetitive tendency of starting new blood pouring on the lands and mountains of this region ...??
 
'When idiots from White House sending specially stupid envoy to Balkans.'

Serbia promised riches for abandoning Kosovo

26 Aug, 2022
A US envoy has told a CNN affiliate that prosperity in the EU awaits if Serbia “moves away from the narrative”

The sooner Serbia recognizes Kosovo’s independence, the faster they can both reunite in the prosperous embrace of the EU, in which the former Yugoslavia will power the continent’s entire economy, the US envoy for the Balkans, Gabriel Escobar, said on Friday in an interview with a local CNN affiliate.

“I think we have to move away from the narrative that Kosovo is Serbia, and move toward the narrative that Kosovo and Serbia are Europe,” Escobar told N1 TV at the US embassy in Belgrade.

“You have a common future, and that future is moving rapidly away from the problems of the 1990s and quickly to the opportunities of the 21st century,” he added.

In this future, the remnants of Yugoslavia will become the “driver of growth for Europe, for the entire continent,” Escobar explained, a center for renewable energy production, information technology, shipping and transportation.

“So the reality is that, eventually, you’re all going to be linked anyway,” starting through some regional economic arrangements such as the “Open Balkans” initiative, and “eventually through the European Union. The quicker we can resolve some of these issues, the quicker we can get to this future of opportunity,” the US envoy concluded.

Escobar was in Belgrade to meet with Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic and EU negotiator Miroslav Lajcak. He acknowledged the US is “not a participant” but “support the dialogue” between Serbia and Kosovo mediated by the EU.

Earlier in the week, he met with Kosovo’s acting president, Vjosa Osmani, whose office was decorated with a flag of “Dardania” – a political project of uniting all the lands in the Balkans claimed by ethnic Albanians into one state.

The latest round of shuttle diplomacy came ahead of September 1, the deadline set by authorities in the breakaway Serbian province for getting rid of Serbian license plates and identification documents for ethnic Serbs living in the north of Kosovo. Pristina’s move to impose the measures at the end of July triggered local protests and barricades on the roads, with Belgrade vowing to act to stop “another pogrom.” After several tense hours, Kosovo Prime Minister Albin Kurti decided to “postpone” the move at the urging of the US envoy in Pristina.

EU police and NATO peacekeepers have since been deployed in strength in northern Kosovo municipalities where ethnic Serbs are a majority, vowing to stop any barricades or protests – but not the ethnic Albanian government’s confiscation of documents.

NATO occupied Kosovo in 1999, after a 78-day air war against what was then Yugoslavia. The province of Serbia declared independence in 2008, with Western support. While the US and most of its allies have recognized it, Serbia, Russia, China and the UN in general have not.
 
'Killing terrorists should be like "routine".'

Serbian military launches drills near Kosovo

1 Sep, 2022
Belgrade says drills on the boundary with Kosovo are “routine” as deadline looms in document dispute

Serbian Army units kicked off exercises near the administrative boundary with Kosovo on Wednesday. Though their timing coincides with the deadline given by Pristina authorities for implementing the controversial ban on Serbian documents, Belgrade insists the drills are entirely routine.

“The training is carried out to preserve the high level of combat readiness of the units involved, and their capability to, if needed, quickly react to establish peace and security along the administrative line,” the Serbian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

“Particular attention is paid to drills simulating an attack on the unit and the tactics, techniques and procedures to stop illegal crossings, extremist group operations and organized crime,” the military in Belgrade added.

Local residents have reported sightings of trucks, armored vehicles, and even tanks near Raska and Novi Pazar, cities nearest to the two administrative crossings with the breakaway province, where ethnic Albanian authorities tried to interdict traffic with Serbian documents last month.


Belgrade and Pristina have since negotiated a compromise on other documents, but the government of Albin Kurti is adamant that Serbian license plates and ID cards have got to go, starting September 1.

Several Western military attaches had requested access to Serbian military bases in Raska and Novi Pazar over the weekend, but Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic told reporters he declined to give them permission.

“I didn't allow it. If we decide to put on some show, then they can see what we have,” he said, while attending joint police and military drills dubbed ‘North Wind 2022’ in eastern Serbia.

NATO occupied Kosovo in 1999, after a 78-day air war against Serbia. The province unilaterally declared independence in 2008, and has been recognized by the US and its allies – but not by about half the world, including Belgrade, Russia, China, and several EU member countries. Vucic is currently pursuing a policy of military neutrality and not imposing sanctions on Russia, while attempting to join the EU.
 
Kosovo IS the "riches". Abundance of water, coal, many ore, plus fertile soil.
BTW, one of the reasons why Serbs wouldnt ever "recognize" Kosovo as a independent country. Imagine that someone took away from you 20% of your land, 50% of your coal and other ore, 30% of your waters, and on top of that some 50 - 60% of your cultural and historical heritage (with some monasteries dated back in 10th and 11th century). Not going to happen.
 

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