Praying

[anart]

Im having a particulary tough time atm and have only just started praying for guidance. Is there anything specific i need to be doing during prayer? Does i need to do it in front of a cross (for example) ? A particulary time?
Any advice is appreciated.

Why would you pray in front of a cross?? That is a symbol of organized religion, which is just a tool of the PTB, and rituals basically do nothing. Do you do the Prayer of the Soul meditation from EE? That may help you. :)

Yep - it sounds like you're looking for some ritual to get you out of your difficult time. Perhaps it would be more useful to talk about it and use your mind and knowledge and network to figure it out?

 

[melatonin]

Im having a particulary tough time atm and have only just started praying for guidance. Is there anything specific i need to be doing during prayer? Does i need to do it in front of a cross (for example) ? A particulary time?
Any advice is appreciated.

Why would you pray in front of a cross?? That is a symbol of organized religion, which is just a tool of the PTB, and rituals basically do nothing. Do you do the Prayer of the Soul meditation from EE? That may help you. :)

Yep - it sounds like you're looking for some ritual to get you out of your difficult time. Perhaps it would be more useful to talk about it and use your mind and knowledge and network to figure it out?

Thanks for the feedback. I wasnt saying praying in front of a cross was nessercary, was just using that as an example. :) Basically just feeling overwhelmed. Trying to get back on my feet from chronic PTSD, and doing everything i can to help myself. Usually i feel like im making pretty good progress, (Diet is getting alot better - for example) but recentley events out of my control (Like my claim for benefits for example, and getting a diagnosis to prove im legit/ Extra family probelms, lack of support) have been pushing me over the edge a bit.

 

[anart]

Thanks for the feedback. I wasnt saying praying in front of a cross was nessercary, was just using that as an example. :) Basically just feeling overwhelmed. Trying to get back on my feet from chronic PTSD, and doing everything i can to help myself. Usually i feel like im making pretty good progress, (Diet is getting alot better - for example) but recentley events out of my control (Like my claim for benefits for example, and getting a diagnosis to prove im legit/ Extra family probelms, lack of support) have been pushing me over the edge a bit.

Extra stress is difficult when you have PTSD because your brain tends to go into overdrive mode, making you quite convinced that you're being crushed under the weight of whatever it is that's stressing you out. Everything is immediate, there isn't enough time, everything has to be fixed right now and the demands and stresses never stop. Basically, your brain can't access that 'cushion of calm' that tends to help people through stressful times. It cannot access a balanced perspective. Pipe breathing is VERY useful for accessing that cushion of calm.

Also, many people benefit from listing out exactly what the worse case scenario is (realistic worse case scenario, not the worse case scenario you create out of a nightmare, the realistic one) - and then map out steps to deal with that IF it happens. That exercise alone can really help because while doing it you realize that there are always options. They may not be the options you'd choose first, but there are always options. Anyway, I'm not sure if this helps, but I'm basically trying to point out the idea that if you can step just a tiny bit back and get some perspective, things might calm a bit. PTSD makes doing that difficult, but not impossible and pipe breathing really does help.

 

[melatonin]

Thanks for the feedback. I wasnt saying praying in front of a cross was nessercary, was just using that as an example. :) Basically just feeling overwhelmed. Trying to get back on my feet from chronic PTSD, and doing everything i can to help myself. Usually i feel like im making pretty good progress, (Diet is getting alot better - for example) but recentley events out of my control (Like my claim for benefits for example, and getting a diagnosis to prove im legit/ Extra family probelms, lack of support) have been pushing me over the edge a bit.

Extra stress is difficult when you have PTSD because your brain tends to go into overdrive mode, making you quite convinced that you're being crushed under the weight of whatever it is that's stressing you out. Everything is immediate, there isn't enough time, everything has to be fixed right now and the demands and stresses never stop. Basically, your brain can't access that 'cushion of calm' that tends to help people through stressful times. It cannot access a balanced perspective. Pipe breathing is VERY useful for accessing that cushion of calm.

Also, many people benefit from listing out exactly what the worse case scenario is (realistic worse case scenario, not the worse case scenario you create out of a nightmare, the realistic one) - and then map out steps to deal with that IF it happens. That exercise alone can really help because while doing it you realize that there are always options. They may not be the options you'd choose first, but there are always options. Anyway, I'm not sure if this helps, but I'm basically trying to point out the idea that if you can step just a tiny bit back and get some perspective, things might calm a bit. PTSD makes doing that difficult, but not impossible and pipe breathing really does help.

Thanks Anart. I already operate on one of your first bits of advice - the worst carse scenario. If i can satisfy this, then i can relax a bit more. You described the feeling very well.
I think this is why im finding it hard atm - because my whole support system (minus 1 person) is from the government. And (I think i remember your from England Anart) - so you may know about the re-naming of incapacity benefit to "back to work employment allowance". Basically my whole safety net has been thrown into doubt because of new claims for DLA and EA (or whatever its shortened too) allowance.
My shrink still hasnt diagnosed me with PTSD formally, altho its obvious to me (And everyone else i work with) that i suffer from it.
This is why i cant satisfy myself in the worst case scenario situation atm.

My doc has sent my shrink a letter to try and push for a diagnosis, and i have to meet him again in 2 weeks. Very triggering for a number of reasons - Very big chap, position of authority, and has alot of power over my life, and my future.
Im dreading it.
Im thinking by praying i can somehow sway the outcome in my favour.

Thanks for the advice about pipe breathing. Im gonna have to read up a bit on that, on the forum and net.

 

[Sol Logos]

Im thinking by praying i can somehow sway the outcome in my favour.

Hi melatonin, earlier in the thread someone mentioned as long as our prayers are sincere, they'll be heard. I believe it's hard to be sincere while having the intention of swaying someone at the same time (which seems reflected in the above quote). But I can see there's a lot of difficult things you're confronted with, so it's understandable you just want things to go smoothly and it's seems you're wishing for that however that's meant to happen. Here I can only say that things went more smoothly for me the more real I've been with myself and those around me, and likewise that goes hand in hand with the willingness Ive had to work through the pains that process brings up - like seeing myself warts and all and owning the responsibility for not just that real me in the mirror but my life too. It's sounds like a cliche, but it's still holds true that only we own our lives so we can only change them. And I imagine any being that truly has our best interests at heart and so would be the one you'd hope to answer our prayers, would too want us to come to know ourselves and be fully self responsible. So if our prayers aligned to that, I'd imagine they'd be the one's likely to be answered over those that seek a better outcome. Why I say that is I've noticed in myself that the better outcome I've thought for myself when I was stuck in the thick of things, was often completely opposite to what I've later understood was better for me, if that makes sense. I suppose it's just hard to have perspective when everything feels like its closing in.

It helps for me to consider that I've been through moments that I felt like at the time I just couldn't handle and as I'm here now and have grown somewhat, I have proof that I have the capacity to handle much more than I believe I can. I'm sure that's the same for many of us, despite the fact that we are led to believe we can handle very little, its more of a means of external control than based on reality. So it's at least for me worth knowing that when it feels like its easier to let myself slip that I don't have to because I can get through painful things. It's ironic but it's been letting myself slip or compromising on what I've felt was right at the time for a quick fix or such that made everything actually much more difficult.

 

[melatonin]

Im thinking by praying i can somehow sway the outcome in my favour.

Hi melatonin, earlier in the thread someone mentioned as long as our prayers are sincere, they'll be heard. I believe it's hard to be sincere while having the intention of swaying someone at the same time (which seems reflected in the above quote). But I can see there's a lot of difficult things you're confronted with, so it's understandable you just want things to go smoothly and it's seems you're wishing for that however that's meant to happen. Here I can only say that things went more smoothly for me the more real I've been with myself and those around me, and likewise that goes hand in hand with the willingness Ive had to work through the pains that process brings up - like seeing myself warts and all and owning the responsibility for not just that real me in the mirror but my life too. It's sounds like a cliche, but it's still holds true that only we own our lives so we can only change them. And I imagine any being that truly has our best interests at heart and so would be the one you'd hope to answer our prayers, would too want us to come to know ourselves and be fully self responsible. So if our prayers aligned to that, I'd imagine they'd be the one's likely to be answered over those that seek a better outcome. Why I say that is I've noticed in myself that the better outcome I've thought for myself when I was stuck in the thick of things, was often completely opposite to what I've later understood was better for me, if that makes sense. I suppose it's just hard to have perspective when everything feels like its closing in.

It helps for me to consider that I've been through moments that I felt like at the time I just couldn't handle and as I'm here now and have grown somewhat, I have proof that I have the capacity to handle much more than I believe I can. I'm sure that's the same for many of us, despite the fact that we are led to believe we can handle very little, its more of a means of external control than based on reality. So it's at least for me worth knowing that when it feels like its easier to let myself slip that I don't have to because I can get through painful things. It's ironic but it's been letting myself slip or compromising on what I've felt was right at the time for a quick fix or such that made everything actually much more difficult.

Hi alkhemst,

Thanks for your time and your thoughtful reply. You have given me plenty to think about.

 

[Saman]

I will try to share a short thought about praying, and if I am lucky, actually write it down concisely!

There is the saying that "God" helps those who help themselves.

There is also the notion by the C's in the transcripts that some of us are potentially the very 4th Density STO beings that can help us help ourselves if we sincerely ask for defence against various forms of manipulations/attacks manifesting both within and without - the root being 4th Density STS; however, the potential for this very aid is also at the same time in the process of "growing" by what the C's call "natural progression" and this concept of "growth" into a 4Th Density STO level of being is not a sure thing since our reality is "fluid" and we live in Free Will Universe. Living in a Free Will Universe means, I think, that even if we were/are to be STO beings in the future, we can still screw up the process and not become "us in the future" due to making the wrong choices in the present.

Anyways, I really hope I made some sense above. If it made sense to you then I think should understand my reasoning as to why I sometimes use the following short prayer when I am feeling so overwhelmed within that I can't even focus on doing the very breathing exercises that can help me help myself calm down and think more clearly.

"Oh 4TH Density STO Higher Self, please help me help myself to resonate with the strength of your Will."

That is it.

Moreover, just for clarification since I am using the word resonate, the meaning of resonate in my little prayer above just means to be in tune with or to align with my potential being's own strength of Will. So I don't mean to imply that I have some much deeper scientific understanding of the word resonate like a few others in the world have - it's more of an abstract visualization of being in tune with my potential Being. Actually you know what, I am going to change my prayer right now! :D

"Oh 4TH Density STO Higher Self, please help me help myself align with the strength of your Will."

Then after repeating the above in my mind two or three times, I try to follow it up with some pipe breathing and then some belly breathing while reciting EE's original Prayer of the Soul in my mind until I fall asleep. Anyways I think the new version of my current prayer is more concise then my old version, or so I think. :)

 

[Mrs. Peel]

I will try to share a short thought about praying, and if I am lucky, actually write it down concisely!

"Oh 4TH Density STO Higher Self, please help me help myself align with the strength of your Will."

Then after repeating the above in my mind two or three times, I try to follow it up with some pipe breathing and then some belly breathing while reciting EE's original Prayer of the Soul in my mind until I fall asleep. Anyways I think the new version of my current prayer is more concise then my old version, or so I think. :)

Well, to get technical on ya, each of us do not know for certain that each of HAVE a 4th Density STO Higher Self. ;)

I would think the POTS should suffice to interact with the Universe, without any preface to your particular "Self." Sounds like a bit of self-calming. No pun intended.

Just my 0.02.

 

[Saman]

I will try to share a short thought about praying, and if I am lucky, actually write it down concisely!

"Oh 4TH Density STO Higher Self, please help me help myself align with the strength of your Will."

Then after repeating the above in my mind two or three times, I try to follow it up with some pipe breathing and then some belly breathing while reciting EE's original Prayer of the Soul in my mind until I fall asleep. Anyways I think the new version of my current prayer is more concise then my old version, or so I think. :)

Well, to get technical on ya, each of us do not know for certain that each of HAVE a 4th Density STO Higher Self. ;)

I would think the POTS should suffice to interact with the Universe, without any preface to your particular "Self." Sounds like a bit of self-calming. No pun intended.

Just my 0.02.

Well If the notion that higher density beings works through us, both STS and STO, is an accepted hypothetical concept, then maybe we might have the potential for such a 4D being, either STS or STO. However, not if we are OP's and therefore on another whole different learning cycle.

But I agree with you about not knowng for certain. For instance, you could have one in the future and then no longer due to a present choice or choices, or vice versa, or even have one in the "past" but not the "future". Then again, I do not know, wait and see :)

Just about having faith in your "self" above and below I guess.

 

[obyvatel]

Just about having faith in your "self" above and below I guess.

Not really. Such faith is put in the Divine Cosmic Mind in POTS.

 

[Saman]

Just about having faith in your "self" above and below I guess.

Not really. Such faith is put in the Divine Cosmic Mind in POTS.

Here is the crux of my problem. I don't think the DCM would care about giving aid to either STS or STO Beings as I am interpreting the DCM meaning to be as "God" or the Universe. Moreover, since this is a Free Will Universe according to C's and others, "God" does not interfere in any way with creation. Therefore, I think it is up to the individual to choose which side of "God" they want to be of, and that this choice, as Laura explained the Wave series, should be an unweighted choice. The latter meaning that you don't choose STS or STO because of thinking only one side leads to unification with the All, but because it is intrinsically who you are and what you see in terms of your being's FRV above and below.

So to be painfully clear, I don't think "God" cares about whether I perish or not in this school. It is not because "God" doesn't love me. It is because it is my task to learn to Love "God" and discover what it IS. So it is up to me to work on myself to be able to graduate to reach a cognizant level of unification with the All or not and for this difficult task I need to have faith in my potential hyperdimensional being, wether it exists or not. If it doesn't, then I will pretend it does till it "grows". Fake it till you make it as the saying goes. That is, I choose to "Love" "God" as it IS, both yin and yang. This is what the feminine expression of "thou, I love" means, or so I think.

Sorry if I am going on and on about this faith thing. My cup is almost empty.

 

[Oxajil]

[...] I need to have faith in my potential hyperdimensional being, wether it exists or not. If it doesn't, then I will pretend it does till it "grows". Fake it till you make it as the saying goes.

How does one exactly pretend this? Don't you think that what you're saying may be an assumption; that pretending will make it ''grow''? How do you know you are not simply wishful thinking, and that what you're doing/thinking is nothing but mechanical?

 

[anart]

Here is the crux of my problem. I don't think the DCM would care about giving aid to either STS or STO Beings as I am interpurting the DCM meaning to be as "God" or the Universe. Moreover, since this is a Free Will Universe according to C's and others, "God" does not intefere in any way with creation.

I think that makes sense, though you're missing the part of the equation that indicates that you, and all creation, is not separate from 'God'.

Therefore, I think it is up to the individual to choose which side of "God" they want to be of, and that this choice, as Laura explained the Wave series, should be an unweighted choice. The latter meaning that you don't choose STS or STO because of thinking only one side leads to unificiation with the All, but because it is intrincially who you are and what you see in terms of your being's FRV above and below.

Yep, that's pretty much it.

So to be painfully clear, I don't think "God" cares about whether I perish or not in this school. It is not because "God" doesn't love me. It is because it is my task to learn to Love "God" and discover what it IS.

What about the idea that it's your task to align yourself (your actions/thoughts/being) with the face of 'God' that is you - realizing that 'God' is not some external creature who cares or doesn't care?

So it is up to me to work on myself to be able to graduate to reach a cognizant level of unification with the All or not and for this difficult task I need to have faith in my potential hyperdimensional being, wether it exists or not.

Okay, so you're saying that no matter what - no matter what the level of your being and developmental stage of your soul, it helps you to have faith that you have a higher self that you can communicate with and ask for help. I think that makes sense (but you might want to shoot a little higher than 4D ;) ).

If it doesn't, then I will pretend it does till it "grows". Fake it till you make it as the saying goes.

You're applying that saying in a way it doesn't really apply, actually. 'Fake it till you make it' really applies to taking action in your life - active choices and behaviors that a person chooses to do even though they think they can't. It doesn't really apply to imagination, else, imagination is all that results, at least as far as I understand.

That is, I choose to "Love" "God" as it IS, both yin and yang. This is what the feminine expression of "thou, I love" means, or so I think.

Sorry if I am going on and on about this faith thing. My cup is almost empty.

I think it makes sense - it really comes down to the idea that has been expressed here many times, which is, that even if a person discovers that they are an 'Organic Portal' it doesn't change their Aim, which is to learn as much as they can and be the best human being they can in order to advance - to give to the Universe in whatever way they can, which is usually up to the Universe to decide (at the end of the day). In that way, I can see your 'fake it till you make it' expression. Basically each of us moves forward with the general understanding that we don't know for certain what the outcome will be, but we do know that nothing matters more than Doing and Being the best we can in our current states and working to improve those states every day in every way we can. Is that close?

 

[obyvatel]

So to be painfully clear, I don't think "God" cares about whether I perish or not in this school. It is not because "God" doesn't love me. It is because it is my task to learn to Love "God" and discover what it IS. So it is up to me to work on myself to be able to graduate to reach a cognizant level of unification with the All or not and for this difficult task I need to have faith in my potential hyperdimensional being, wether it exists or not. If it doesn't, then I will pretend it does till it "grows". Fake it till you make it as the saying goes. That is, I choose to "Love" "God" as it IS, both yin and yang. This is what the feminine expression of "thou, I love" means, or so I think.

For me, the concept of a "higher me" or multiple "me"s experiencing reality in different dimensions or densities are all hypothetical constructs. They may be true, but I am not at the level of integrating these possibilities meaningfully into my current state of being. Life experiences on the other hand can be integrated and through such experiences, I can have faith in God/DCM providing me with opportunities to learn and grow in the direction I aspire for. We are in a dynamic relationship with the universe/DCM and our acts and thoughts bring forth reciprocating actions from the universe, sometimes in ways that we can comprehend, sometimes in ways that are beyond immediate comprehension. Comparing myself to where I was 10 years ago, there is no way I would be here today but for grace - and that generates faith in the universe.

I consider the nature of God/DCM to be incomprehensible - so to state that "God would do this but not that" is to me a projection of my limited beliefs. I can prepare the vessel to receive certain kind of energies through gathering knowledge and corresponding acts - and live in faith that the universe/God would act in ways that is appropriate. For me, this includes the possibility that even my greatest enemy can be used by the universe/God to teach me a valuable lesson in life - something that I could not learn from my friends. I guess at a certain level it is about reducing the level of importance I put in "me" and acknowledge the far greater incomprehensible reality of which I am a part. I am not there yet, far from it actually, but I choose to struggle onwards in this direction.

fwiw

 

[Saman]

[...] I need to have faith in my potential hyperdimensional being, wether it exists or not. If it doesn't, then I will pretend it does till it "grows". Fake it till you make it as the saying goes.

How does one exactly pretend this? Don't you think that what you're saying may be an assumption; that pretending will make it ''grow''? How do you know you are not simply wishful thinking, and that what you're doing/thinking is nothing but mechanical?

Sorry I wasn't clear. Also, I am sorry for my spelling mistakes - I fixed those. What I mean by the bolded statement above is that I choose to believe that I have the potential to be more then just a conditioned STS machine, whether I do in reality or not.