Praying

[aragorn]

Hi Endymion. I just wanted to know if you happend to find that quote by any chance.

Hi Raintree. I've hunted around and I'm afraid I can't find the quote. Perhaps AI knows where it is.

when I was doing distant Reiki to an important event in the future (yes, according to the Reiki traditions you can do this - send energy to an event in the future).

That's really interesting, Aragorn. Does the Reiki tradition speak about sending Reiki to events in the past?

Yes, that too is considered possible. We have for example done sessions where we've sent energy to the moment when we were born - to help with the trauma of coming into this world (from the womb). Again, I can't possibly prove that this is working, but this is the commonly accepted belief in the traditional Reiki. I'll have to check with my teacher if these type of procedures did come from Usui himself or if they developed later.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Hi Endymion. I just wanted to know if you happend to find that quote by any chance.

Hi Raintree. I've hunted around and I'm afraid I can't find the quote. Perhaps AI knows where it is.

Beelzebub's Tales:

"As regards the 'marble tablet' that by chance remained intact since the time of the very saintly activities of the Great Ashiata Shiemash, and is today the principal sacred relic of the brotherhood of initiated beings called the 'Olbogmek Brotherhood,' I happened, during this last stay of mine on your planet, to see and read what was engraved on it.

"In the course of my subsequent investigations it turned out that, later on, when this Very Saintly Ashiata Shiemash had established the particular conditions of ordinary being-existence he had planned, several of these tablets, on his advice and initiative, were set up in appropriate places in many of the large towns, and upon them were engraved all kinds of precepts and counsels for a corresponding existence.

"But later, when their big wars began again, all these tablets were destroyed by these strange beings themselves, with the exception of that one which has somehow remained intact, as I have already told you, and is now the property of this brotherhood.

"On this surviving marble tablet was engraved an inscription concerning the sacred being-impulses called 'Faith,' 'Love,' and 'Hope,' which was as follows:

FAITH, LOVE, AND HOPE
Faith of consciousness is freedom
Faith of feeling is weakness
Faith of body is stupidity
Love of consciousness evokes the same in response
Love of feeling evokes the opposite
Love of body depends only on type and polarity
Hope of consciousness is strength
Hope of feeling is slavery
Hope of body is disease

 

[Buddy]

And as Windmill Knight says: 'sometimes you just need to express your concerns to the Universe'. In fact I do this but I never thought of it as praying. What I do when I am concerned about someone is to acknowledge to myself that I am concerned or worried about the person, then...

...I acknowledge that I cannot know what their lessons are and that their lessons might involve things happening to them that I don't like, [and then] I place my trust in the DCM that things will work out for the best for all concerned.

That is how I now understand my own connection to DCM with regard to others.

 

[Seamus]

I heard a prayer one morning while listening to Speaking of Faith on NPR that really moved me. The program was entitiled Desmond Tutu's God of Surprises. Right at the beginning of the program he is teasing the host, Krista Tippet, and he suddenly asks her if they can pray before they begin. This is his prayer:

Come, Holy Spirit,
fill the hearts of thy faithful people
and kindle in them the fire of thy love.

Send forth thy spirit
and they shall be made
and thou shalt renew the face of the earth.

Amen.

I burst out crying, I'm not sure why. Maybe because I was just waking up in the morning, or because of Archbishop Tutu's voice and sincerity.

You can listen to the audio on their website, the prayer is right at the beginning of the program, maybe a few minutes in.

_http://being.publicradio.org/programs/2010/tutu/

 

[obyvatel]

I found this excerpt from Jeanne De Salzmann today regarding prayer
[quote author=The Reality Of Being pp198]
Each person has an ideal, an aspiration for something higher. It takes one form or another, but what matters is the call to this ideal, the call of his being. Listening to the call is the state of prayer. While in this state, a man produces an energy, a special emanation, which religious feeling alone can bring. These emanations concentrate in the atmosphere just above the place where they are produced. The air everywhere contains them. The question is how to enter into contact with these emanations. By our call we can create a connection, like a telegraph wire, which links us, and take in this material in order to let it accumulate and crystallize in us. We then have the possibility to manifest its quality and help others understand - that is, to give it back. True prayer is establishing this contact and being nourished by it, nourished by this special material, which is called Grace.
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[ana]

I found this excerpt from Jeanne De Salzmann today regarding prayer
[quote author=The Reality Of Being pp198]
Each person has an ideal, an aspiration for something higher. It takes one form or another, but what matters is the call to this ideal, the call of his being. Listening to the call is the state of prayer. While in this state, a man produces an energy, a special emanation, which religious feeling alone can bring. These emanations concentrate in the atmosphere just above the place where they are produced. The air everywhere contains them. The question is how to enter into contact with these emanations. By our call we can create a connection, like a telegraph wire, which links us, and take in this material in order to let it accumulate and crystallize in us. We then have the possibility to manifest its quality and help others understand - that is, to give it back. True prayer is establishing this contact and being nourished by it, nourished by this special material, which is called Grace.

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And who knows? Maybe these emanations concentrate not only in our physical atmosphere but also wherever our thoughts are. It is our state that counts, we can be praying always, osit

 

[Aeneas]

I found this excerpt from Jeanne De Salzmann today regarding prayer
[quote author=The Reality Of Being pp198]
Each person has an ideal, an aspiration for something higher. It takes one form or another, but what matters is the call to this ideal, the call of his being. Listening to the call is the state of prayer. While in this state, a man produces an energy, a special emanation, which religious feeling alone can bring. These emanations concentrate in the atmosphere just above the place where they are produced. The air everywhere contains them. The question is how to enter into contact with these emanations. By our call we can create a connection, like a telegraph wire, which links us, and take in this material in order to let it accumulate and crystallize in us. We then have the possibility to manifest its quality and help others understand - that is, to give it back. True prayer is establishing this contact and being nourished by it, nourished by this special material, which is called Grace.

And who knows? Maybe these emanations concentrate not only in our physical atmosphere but also wherever our thoughts are. It is our state that counts, we can be praying always, osit
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Thank you for the quote Obyvatel. I think it is true as Ana writes, that it is our state that counts and that we can be praying always. I guess that as the vehicle becomes cleaner by detoxing the mind, body and emotions, that the outraying is magnified.This also means that for someone with a strong STS nature, they emanate a negative field and absorb energy from others a la psychic vampires. They don't have to even think so, as their state of being is such that they feed on others by default, osit.

 

[nwigal]

I found this excerpt from Jeanne De Salzmann today regarding prayer
[quote author=The Reality Of Being pp198]
Each person has an ideal, an aspiration for something higher. It takes one form or another, but what matters is the call to this ideal, the call of his being. Listening to the call is the state of prayer. While in this state, a man produces an energy, a special emanation, which religious feeling alone can bring. These emanations concentrate in the atmosphere just above the place where they are produced. The air everywhere contains them. The question is how to enter into contact with these emanations. By our call we can create a connection, like a telegraph wire, which links us, and take in this material in order to let it accumulate and crystallize in us. We then have the possibility to manifest its quality and help others understand - that is, to give it back. True prayer is establishing this contact and being nourished by it, nourished by this special material, which is called Grace.

And who knows? Maybe these emanations concentrate not only in our physical atmosphere but also wherever our thoughts are. It is our state that counts, we can be praying always, osit

Thank you for the quote Obyvatel. I think it is true as Ana writes, that it is our state that counts and that we can be praying always. I guess that as the vehicle becomes cleaner by detoxing the mind, body and emotions, that the outraying is magnified.This also means that for someone with a strong STS nature, they emanate a negative field and absorb energy from others a la psychic vampires. They don't have to even think so, as their state of being is such that they feed on others by default, osit.
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In my experience, really strong STS entities will generate whatever field is needed to gain the most energy with the least effort. A strong and experienced STS entity can generate an incredibly strong positive field in order to harvest the resonance generated by others in response, if this strategy has a higher probability of producing a higher net gain to the self. If everything is prayer, then the differences can be extremely subtle and equally valid. Maybe this is why the situation can be so dangerous, in a place where everything is taken as given, and deep intentions are mostly hidden.
I was taught, in the old teachings, that one always needed to pray for others, and leave the self for last. I didn't understand this in my heart at first, but after many years, I find it interesting that by the time one gets to oneself, there is usually nothing left but the thirst for knowledge, and an overwhelming gratitude for the lessons being learned. Real prayer can bring rain to the desert, but what if the rain only falls on the fields of your enemies? Would you keep praying, or stop, and say to yourself, "what's in it for me?"

 

[obyvatel]

In my experience, really strong STS entities will generate whatever field is needed to gain the most energy with the least effort. A strong and experienced STS entity can generate an incredibly strong positive field in order to harvest the resonance generated by others in response, if this strategy has a higher probability of producing a higher net gain to the self.

Are we talking about higher density STS here? If this is related to the subject of praying, what kind of experience are you referring to?
[quote author=nwigal]
If everything is prayer, then the differences can be extremely subtle and equally valid. Maybe this is why the situation can be so dangerous, in a place where everything is taken as given, and deep intentions are mostly hidden.
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The hypothesis as per my understanding is that prayer is the state of being open to the universe. Ana said that if someone can be open in this way, he/she could always be in the state of prayer. Being truly open to the universe with a conscious awareness and intent is a worthwhile state -I mean worth aspiring to - osit. By opening oneself up to the universe one could be exposed to STS force fields as well but with awareness and intent (borne out of knowledge) one would learn to choose the connection he/she wishes to reinforce (take the words of POTS for example). I think the C's once said that the origination and termination points of these connections are of equal importance. STS resonance which is our default state on 3D earth requires STSness inside of us to be effective. A state of prayer with STO intent as far as possible does seem to be a valid way to increase the strength of STO alignment - powerful STS force fields notwithstanding.

[quote author=nwigal]
Real prayer can bring rain to the desert, but what if the rain only falls on the fields of your enemies? Would you keep praying, or stop, and say to yourself, "what's in it for me?"
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It depends. I would not think that the original intent of this hypothetical prayer was to have rain fall only on the fields of my enemies. So the prayer did not have the intended effect. If I know that my "enemies" are pathological types intending to drive me off my lands then I would not do anything to help their cause. That would be "acting in favor of my destiny" and not necessarily a STS act - osit.

 

[Oxajil]

If everything is prayer, then the differences can be extremely subtle and equally valid.

What do you mean by that? Can you give an example of a difference? Also what do you mean with ''everything''?

Maybe this is why the situation can be so dangerous, in a place where everything is taken as given, and deep intentions are mostly hidden.

Where everything is taken as given? How is that connected to praying? I'm not really getting what you're trying to say.

I was taught, in the old teachings, that one always needed to pray for others, and leave the self for last. I didn't understand this in my heart at first, but after many years, I find it interesting that by the time one gets to oneself, there is usually nothing left but the thirst for knowledge, and an overwhelming gratitude for the lessons being learned.

Are you saying you're understanding now why you need to ''leave the self for last''?
I also have recognized this overwhelming gratitude, it makes my prayers become even more open, or so I think.

Real prayer can bring rain to the desert, but what if the rain only falls on the fields of your enemies? Would you keep praying, or stop, and say to yourself, "what's in it for me?"

What do you mean? Do you mean that your prayers can turn out to be beneficial to enemies? I don't understand (sorry!). Could you elaborate a little bit more?

 

[tridean]

Re: Praying may have won my parents the lotto

I found this thread interesting and hope it is ok to share my "experiences" because that is all I have.


It was 1998, and my brother and I (whom rarely talked) had decided that we were going to pray for our parents. Now, I have never been religious, and at that time was one of those who believed that the UNIVERSE was the source of all energy and had we also were just energy. My brother on the other hand has always been flip-flopping from drugs, crime and jail, to a devout christian. At this particular time, he was religious.

My parents were going through a really bad trot with their finances and my brother told me that he was going to pray for them that they would win a lot of money, and because they played lotto every week, he prayed for them to win the lotto. I said I'll do the same, but I didn't call what I was doing as praying, but I did sit down, close my eyes and asked the universe, "Hey, is it possible you can help my parents, can you let them win the lotto, just once?"

Well, sure enough, not long after, they won the lotto. It was Tasmania's local lottery, and they won half a million, 509K to be more precise. It was a 3 million jackpot and 6 Tasmanian's won it that week!

Of course, I had not really put much thought into my request to the universe at the time, not really believing it would happen, and also, my brother had disappeared again as is his way, and so when they won the money, he wasn't around. It wasn't until much time later that he resurfaced that he learned they had won all this money. When we both got together he reminded me of our conversation and I was just floored!

I think for me though, I put it down to just coincidence. It wasn't until 3 years later when I had got too depressed about being lonely and only attracting unsavoury females that I decided to try this whole 'request to the universe' thing again, and this time I had written down a list of the things I wanted in a woman and asked the universe if it was possible I could find this person. I even told this to my two band member friends at the time whilst we were in a jam session, I said I was sick of being lonely, I want to meet someone who I'll spend the rest of my life with, and I read out the list to them. Not only that I declared with authority, "But I will NOT meet her in a front bar!"

Well later that year that's' exactly where I did meet her, it was the Village Tavern in Golden Grove Adelaide, my mate and I decided to go their to play pool, on our way there, we passed the Roulettes on Kings Rd and toyed with the idea of going there instead. Eventually we decided to keep going to the Village. My 'wife to be' and her friend had decided that night to go to the Village to play pool, and had also toyed with the idea of going to the Slug and Lettuce instead!

She was everything I had described in my list, BUT I met her in a front bar! My band friends said it was a very eerie experience for them recounting that earlier conversation.

Back on to my parents though, they ended up bankrupt in 2002, and in fact were in more debt than they had ever experienced. This I later found out, is how 19 out of 20 lotto winners end up! I became so intrigued by this statistic, not because it was simply shocking, but because it is the same percentage that dictates how many businesses flop, how many people retire broke with nothing, how many traders consistently lose and so on. This whole 95% thing with money sent me on such a life changing journey, that I think if it wasn't for my parents winning the lotto, I would not be here at this forum now writing this.

Later on, my relationship soured to the point where we split and it was the worst thing I had ever experienced. But this time I had gone through much of the knowledge that "positive thinking" was bunk. I found it difficult to see how I could right all the wrongs I had done and win my wife back from "positive thinking". Also, it was Pepperfritz who told me that this was my "shock" and that I needed to make sure I did not allow my fragments to simply reassemble into a different but same mechanical type being.

But I was so young at this whole thing, I was new to this forum and so forth, what was really controlling me was that although we weren't working, I still loved her more than anything. I simply started asking the question "what do I need to do"....that was all I asked, I asked it at any chance I had. I also at times made myself internally feel the feelings of love and closeness with her and purposely made them feel extremely strong to the point my body would shake.

A few weeks into the separation, I was driving along and a voice or my mind or whatever said, you need to find, listen and learn the songs "Evie 1,2 and 3". So I did. I found them, bought them through Itunes, and one night I was seeing my kids and the wife and I got to talking and decided to share some of our songs from our own Itunes collection, and I told her I had Evie parts 1,2 and 3. She said she loved them and she had good memories of her Dad when it came to these songs. She eventually listened to them that night while I was playing my guitar and during part 2 she started crying, and at first I thought it was for her father, but it wasn't, it was for me. She started to hold me and she told me that she had made a big mistake.

Could you imagine how I was thinking. I mean feeling, well I was in heaven, but then having the chance to think about it after, that voice or thought was possibly what saved my marriage.

So, I really do feel that there is something that is able to listen, but as for whether it violates others free will, I don't know. I mean, my parents winning the lotto only to lose it, caused them to separate themselves for six years after, and not only that, they went from owning their own home (before winning), to separated and living in government housing and on social security. So I feel we may have done them far more damage than good, I don't know.

As for my wife, was it right for me to ask to have her back? I don't know!

I often ask the question "what do I need to do" but without anything before it, as if I am asking for guidance as to what should I spend my time doing next.

My experiences tell me that there is power to asking, and it seems that everyone has this power, the PTB are doing it all the time. But I think we are in a constant state of asking simply from our thoughts. It's as if the universe or whatever is listening, pulling the strings, making things happen in order to fulfill all the asking in the path of least resistance, i.e. you asked for it so you shall receive it, but 'when' you receive it depends on the path of least resistance. Most people are asking for negative outcomes, because they focus on the negatives of their life more than anything.

I also feel that thinking is what more people do not do enough of, that is actually sitting down for an hour with no interruptions and just letting the mind pour out what is in there. It is like cleansing the mind of many of the mixed thoughts and feelings to bring clarity to more purposeful idea or thought etc, and when one reaches a more clear view of what to do etc, then the universe is more receptive maybe

FWIW, Thanks

 

[LQB]

Re: Praying may have won my parents the lotto

My experiences tell me that there is power to asking, and it seems that everyone has this power, the PTB are doing it all the time. But I think we are in a constant state of asking simply from our thoughts. It's as if the universe or whatever is listening, pulling the strings, making things happen in order to fulfill all the asking in the path of least resistance, i.e. you asked for it so you shall receive it, but 'when' you receive it depends on the path of least resistance. Most people are asking for negative outcomes, because they focus on the negatives of their life more than anything.

I also feel that thinking is what more people do not do enough of, that is actually sitting down for an hour with no interruptions and just letting the mind pour out what is in there. It is like cleansing the mind of many of the mixed thoughts and feelings to bring clarity to more purposeful idea or thought etc, and when one reaches a more clear view of what to do etc, then the universe is more receptive maybe

FWIW, Thanks

Thanks for sharing that Dingo. And my own experiences are similar bringing me to something like what you are saying about praying. Like letting the mind flow to find coherency in your aim or goals. Not praying as formally such, but asking for help in direction in applying self-effort. An example for me would be a period of years of very intense (undistracted) esoteric study where I found so very often that I would not have understood material in a certain book without having read the last one - same with the one before that, and the one before that ... - as if being led from place to place so as to get the most out of the effort. I have no other explanation.

And I don't think you were interfering with your parent's free will by asking for the lotto win. They were playing the lotto with just that intent. Maybe Universe's way of winking at you saying yes, I'm here.

 

[Buddy]

My experiences tell me that there is power to asking, and it seems that everyone has this power, the PTB are doing it all the time. But I think we are in a constant state of asking simply from our thoughts. It's as if the universe or whatever is listening, pulling the strings, making things happen in order to fulfill all the asking in the path of least resistance, i.e. you asked for it so you shall receive it, but 'when' you receive it depends on the path of least resistance.

Hi Dingo. If you're interested, at this point, you might find that this might help confirm, clarify and strengthen your knowledge from these experiences you mention. At least, I was reminded of this and felt it might be important to you. :)

The Quest for the Holy Grail of No Anticipation!

[quote author=Laura]
Also, we must note that the Right brain, as the Observer of the external and internal environment, only perceives NOW.
The Left Brain is associated with the process of CONCEPTUALIZATION and IMAGINATION in its many forms, including the powers of symbolic imagination and those functions related to the symbols we know as language such as labeling, categorizing, following verbal rules and rules in general. The left hemisphere mode of operation is much like a computer screen on which the whole range of concepts of the mind are portrayed and manipulated in the "mind's eye."

Now, this is enormously important to grasp: religions, philosophies, "beliefs" in general, through which we view the world and by which we interact with the world also fall to one hemisphere or the other in terms of how they activate our consciousness.
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What if you are just trying to "believe it is NOW?" BELIEF is a function of the Left brain, it blocks the manifestation Creativity because the creative Right brain is also the Empirical half of the brain that observes the dichotomy between the belief and the reality.

Desire is anticipation. Anticipation is read by the Right brain as "in the future, therefore not right now," and the Right brain can only create NOW.

When we desire, we have a "future object" in mind. The Right brain only knows Now.

If we "desire to Love God," we have a concept (Left Brain) of the "future goal of loving God." It can't exist Now. Therefore we experience struggle to constantly "love God," against the ongoing "Now" of "not loving God."

If we desire to win the lottery, and produce in the Left brain "future image of money flowing into our life." It isn't now. So "now" continues moneyless.

If we desire happiness, and create the concept in the Left Brain, we have "future happiness" in mind. And the Right brain reads it as unhappiness now, and this can manifest in thousands of unhappy experiences.

By the same token, if we "send love and light" to any directed recipient, we are holding a concept of future "fixing" which signals a state of "brokenness" NOW to OUR Right brain, and the repercussions are felt in OUR life! In a larger sense, we may be signalling the "Collective Right Brain" that a "future state of peace" is desired, and therefore, NOW is NOT peaceful. And the Right Brain creates NOW.

Q: (L) If someone wanted to win the lottery, for example, what would be the correct approach? What should they do, or be, or think, or say?
A: Completely pure intent, i.e. open. Nonanticipatory.
Q: (L) Anticipation constricts the channels of creativity?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) A person has to be completely uncaring whether they get it or not, so to speak?
A: Happy-go-lucky attitude helps.
Q: (L) So, worry, tension, anticipation, and attachment to the idea, we constricts the flow?
A: Yes.
[...]
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[tridean]

Re: Praying may have won my parents the lotto

My experiences tell me that there is power to asking, and it seems that everyone has this power, the PTB are doing it all the time. But I think we are in a constant state of asking simply from our thoughts. It's as if the universe or whatever is listening, pulling the strings, making things happen in order to fulfill all the asking in the path of least resistance, i.e. you asked for it so you shall receive it, but 'when' you receive it depends on the path of least resistance. Most people are asking for negative outcomes, because they focus on the negatives of their life more than anything.

I also feel that thinking is what more people do not do enough of, that is actually sitting down for an hour with no interruptions and just letting the mind pour out what is in there. It is like cleansing the mind of many of the mixed thoughts and feelings to bring clarity to more purposeful idea or thought etc, and when one reaches a more clear view of what to do etc, then the universe is more receptive maybe

FWIW, Thanks

Thanks for sharing that Dingo. And my own experiences are similar bringing me to something like what you are saying about praying. Like letting the mind flow to find coherency in your aim or goals. Not praying as formally such, but asking for help in direction in applying self-effort. An example for me would be a period of years of very intense (undistracted) esoteric study where I found so very often that I would not have understood material in a certain book without having read the last one - same with the one before that, and the one before that ... - as if being led from place to place so as to get the most out of the effort. I have no other explanation.

And I don't think you were interfering with your parent's free will by asking for the lotto win. They were playing the lotto with just that intent. Maybe Universe's way of winking at you saying yes, I'm here.

Thanks LOB and Bud. I had wanted to put more but thought my post had got long enough, but your reply has urged me to share it too, and that is; a lot of the time, I will think to myself, I must found out more about "________", and then sometime in the future, sometimes a week, months, whatever, the very book, article, etc I needed to fulfill that turns up. It's like intent without attachment, which seems to me what you were referring to Bud with the Quest for the Holy Grail of No Anticipation.

I just hope that my experiences have helped others too

Cheers

 

[Buddy]

...a lot of the time, I will think to myself, I must found out more about "________", and then sometime in the future, sometimes a week, months, whatever, the very book, article, etc I needed to fulfill that turns up. It's like intent without attachment, which seems to me what you were referring to Bud with the Quest for the Holy Grail of No Anticipation.

Yep, exactly. Putting a time limit on it (anticipation involves a time and form factor, OSIT) = not-so-helpful! :)