Preparedness

[Lucius]

Lukas,

It sounds like you've given this quite a bit of thought.

Yes, I have good management skill ^^ like planing and creating.

One thing to consider, and maybe you already have, is if you have the space in your home, buying a chest freezer might be a better alternative for meat than canning and drying. From the looks of prices, it will probably cost around $600, give or take, to purchase the dehydrator and sealer. Whereas a 14CU ft chest freezer, for instance, would probably cost about half of that price.

I will keep eating at another place where I have a lot of cellars to the attic.
I already thought about, have one big freezer and I think that one is enough, unfortunately, I assume the big problems with energy and I do not want to buy a generator - the noise, fuel, exhaust fumes.

Maybe you don't have space for a freezer or live in an area where reliable electricity is a problem. In that case the dehydrator, sealer combo may be the way to go. You'd have to factor in what it would cost, in terms of electricity, to keep the freezer running year round, so that might be another consideration.

Also, I'm not sure if you implied that you were going to use the seal bags for buckwheat or not. For buckwheat or any other pseudo-grains, I use a food-grade 6 gal bucket with a gamma seal lid. That works plenty well, I think.

I want us seal bags for buckwheat, because I have read that roasted buckwheat has a period of seven months usefulness.
And with seal bags "Vacuum Sealer" deadline is extended to 4-5 years.
I think the dried seeds of vegetables, fruits to make it with Vacuum sealer.


hmm never heard of the gamma seal lid or do I need to buy more special buckets that fit into each and every of the expiry date?
I know that the vacuum has a far greater shelf life.

Perhaps you know of a place in Europe where you can buy them?

 

[RyanX]

hmm never heard of the gamma seal lid or do I need to buy more special buckets that fit into each and every of the expiry date?
I know that the vacuum has a far greater shelf life.

Perhaps you know of a place in Europe where you can buy them?

For the gamma lids, they are pretty standard for any 6 gal bucket, I think. At least here in the US. You might want to research it or ask around at European shops, if that is your location.

Vacuum sealed bags probably would have a longer shelf life. For the buckets and gamma-seal lids, I've heard of people using oxygen absorbers for longer storage. I haven't tried them myself though.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure where to buy such items in Europe. Maybe somebody else would know?

 

[kryon]

What I remember from Garandpa making sausage for the winter:
Any ground meat, lots of salt and garlic mixed in for preservation, then other spices like cumin, coriander, cinamon, black pepper, cardamom, oregano- it was all mixed in the ground meat. Then he would place it in a sunny spot and watch over it. The sun would dry it in a week or so. I imagine an infrared light could do the same.
I have never tryid but now that you have mentioned it, I am going to.
Thanks for the awesome idea.

 

[Gimpy]

I really think that while it's a good idea to understand that our future is uncertain (as all futures are), there is a bit of a risk here to turn into 'survivalists' who are so focused on physical survival that they lose the whole point of this all - which is learning and being aware enough and knowledgeable enough to deal the best way one can with whatever happens or doesn't happen.

I just think there is a fine line here - and I personally have no intention of living in a world where I have to eat grubs to survive - nothing against the grubs, of course - or living in a world where I have to kill other human beings to protect 'my stash' of sustenance. I mean, this is just my personal opinion, but death is really no big deal. So while it absolutely IS important to take reasonable precautions and to pay strict attention to reality right and left, I think this tendency to run into survivalist territory is a bit of a slippery slope. The most important thing, from my perspective, is awareness and while that can and does include taking care of necessities in times of uncertainty, this should not be a singular focus.

Our bodies are not ourselves. We must, as responsible individuals, do our best to arrange things so that we are here to help others when things get difficult - but I suppose I am just suggesting that a careful eye be brought to the subject of walking that fine line between common sense and obsession when it comes to what is ahead of us. fwiw.

I have no illusions when it comes down to the whole 'survival' question. If things get past a certain point, I'm going to die. No big. We all are at some point. I'd rather go out helping other folks get on with living as creatively as possible than 'survive'. Surviving is not living, fwiw. ( I don't mind eating bugs or grubs, not as long as I can find a way to make it work and taste good. ;D )

Basically I'm agreeing with anart, the only difference being I'd eat a grub or two.

 

[theos]

I really think that while it's a good idea to understand that our future is uncertain (as all futures are), there is a bit of a risk here to turn into 'survivalists' who are so focused on physical survival that they lose the whole point of this all - which is learning and being aware enough and knowledgeable enough to deal the best way one can with whatever happens or doesn't happen.

I just think there is a fine line here - and I personally have no intention of living in a world where I have to eat grubs to survive - nothing against the grubs, of course - or living in a world where I have to kill other human beings to protect 'my stash' of sustenance. I mean, this is just my personal opinion, but death is really no big deal. So while it absolutely IS important to take reasonable precautions and to pay strict attention to reality right and left, I think this tendency to run into survivalist territory is a bit of a slippery slope. The most important thing, from my perspective, is awareness and while that can and does include taking care of necessities in times of uncertainty, this should not be a singular focus.

Our bodies are not ourselves. We must, as responsible individuals, do our best to arrange things so that we are here to help others when things get difficult - but I suppose I am just suggesting that a careful eye be brought to the subject of walking that fine line between common sense and obsession when it comes to what is ahead of us. fwiw.

I have no illusions when it comes down to the whole 'survival' question. If things get past a certain point, I'm going to die. No big. We all are at some point. I'd rather go out helping other folks get on with living as creatively as possible than 'survive'. Surviving is not living, fwiw. ( I don't mind eating bugs or grubs, not as long as I can find a way to make it work and taste good. ;D )

Basically I'm agreeing with anart, the only difference being I'd eat a grub or two.

I'm agreeing with you both. The only reason that I would want to be around after some catastrophe is if I could be of some help to someone. If it came down to being holed up somewhere counting down the days until my last can of meat was eaten...well I would like to be gone long before that.

 

[Bobo08]

I've read a bit about the shelf life of dehydrated meat on the net, and it seems difficult to make it last much longer than about 6 months. If that's the case, it is not long enough for our purpose (lasting a few years until the economy recovers). Does anyone who chooses the dehydrating option have a comment on this?

 

[Mrs. Peel]

If it came down to being holed up somewhere counting down the days until my last can of meat was eaten...well I would like to be gone long before that.

Yup. No matter how many bags of buckwheat and everything else you stash away, they are going to run out at some point. You are just prolonging the inevitable. Unless it's just for the short-term till things get stabilized again. IF they do.

If there's going to be a catastrohe, I want the end to be swift and painless. I even addd that in my nightly prayers to the DCM. Funny, that night I had a very realistic dream of being in a house and looking out the window to see a huge tsunami wave that came out of nowhere and was about to engulf everything. In those split seconds I remember thinking, well, this is the end and it's pretty swift all right. Then everything in the dream went grey and I jerked awake with my heart pounding wondering if I just had a preview....

 

[dant]

I think the best help is from the C's:

970402: A: Worry not, just sit back and enjoy the show!

990703: A: And for those who transit to 5th density, it will not be
so bad either. Sort of like, "sit back and enjoy the show."

990828: Q: Okay, you have repeatedly, in the past year, alluded
to something that we are supposed to be watching for,
that we are supposed to 'enjoy the show,' and all that
sort of thing. Now you have made this remark about 5th
density, where 3rd density goes at death. Are you
suggesting that a lot of folks are going to check out?
A: Maybe we were trying to Lighten things up a bit!

020824: Q: (L) So that's how they select out, maybe program,
get them set up, have all kinds of groups ready and set
up to be prepared to utilize at any point and time. Next
question, or are we all getting depressed? (LA) You
can tell huh? (SB) That's an understatement. (L) Well
what seems to be so is that right here and now the
planet is really kind of in deep doo-doo. We have a
drunk at the wheel of the planet and nobody seems to
be big enough or brave enough to really tell him he's
drunk and take the keys away from him. On top of
that, we have a lot of people, of course, who choose to
think that drunks drive better when they're drunk. I
mean there are people who subscribe to that idea and
there are others who really want to get out. I know the
C's have always said sit back and enjoy the show. I
guess it's going to be pretty dramatic. Is there a
positive aspect to any of this?
A: We have mentioned transducing of energies by
groups. We have mentioned "help" to certain groups.
You speak regularly about "butterflies and hurricanes."
If you are patient and persistent, it will pay off in a way
you cannot even conceive of at this point.

I think the key is to conserve your energy, not to submit
to fear and chaos, and to observe the universe for what
it is... and enjoy the show...

 

[Ollie]

I think the key is to conserve your energy, not to submit
to fear and chaos, and to observe the universe for what
it is... and enjoy the show...

And, remembering that we all have our part to play in the process, after all we, each, decided to transit here at the particular time in the grand cycle to see it unfold, and LEARN our lessons. :)

 

[Lucius]

I think the key is to conserve your energy, not to submit
to fear and chaos, and to observe the universe for what
it is... and enjoy the show...

And, remembering that we all have our part to play in the process, after all we, each, decided to transit here at the particular time in the grand cycle to see it unfold, and LEARN our lessons. :)

Yup, seeing unseen - day by day - at work, shop, street ;)
sometimes I wonder when others will woke up.

 

[KTC]

I have just ordered the Excalibur 5 tray dehydrator. My husband is really gonna roll his eyes at this one, but I keep plugging on with putting all of this awareness into practise. Thanks everyone for your input.

 

[3DStudent]

Funny, that night I had a very realistic dream of being in a house and looking out the window to see a huge tsunami wave that came out of nowhere and was about to engulf everything.

FWIW, I have had tsunami dreams for a couple of years now every few months. Always ominous, I see the tsunami coming and I am in a hotel. Sometimes in the dreams, the hotel breaks loose from the ground floating and is carried away. Kind of reminds me of The Wizard of Oz with the house and tornado. But then I am stuck in some building being carried away with other people inside trying to get out. Pretty weird dreams. :P

I've read a bit about the shelf life of dehydrated meat on the net, and it seems difficult to make it last much longer than about 6 months. If that's the case, it is not long enough for our purpose (lasting a few years until the economy recovers). Does anyone who chooses the dehydrating option have a comment on this?

I've heard that 6 months is how long dehydrated food lasts. But if you freeze it, the life extends to 2 years. The things you have to worry about are the fat that may go rancid, the moisture that may spoil it, and perhaps any bacteria that gets on it. The freezing will slow or prevent these things. I too was looking more towards dehydrating, but perhaps canning is better. If the electricity goes out, you can still can food.

 

[Lucius]

Funny, that night I had a very realistic dream of being in a house and looking out the window to see a huge tsunami wave that came out of nowhere and was about to engulf everything.

FWIW, I have had tsunami dreams for a couple of years now every few months. Always ominous, I see the tsunami coming and I am in a hotel. Sometimes in the dreams, the hotel breaks loose from the ground floating and is carried away. Kind of reminds me of The Wizard of Oz with the house and tornado. But then I am stuck in some building being carried away with other people inside trying to get out. Pretty weird dreams. :P

I've read a bit about the shelf life of dehydrated meat on the net, and it seems difficult to make it last much longer than about 6 months. If that's the case, it is not long enough for our purpose (lasting a few years until the economy recovers). Does anyone who chooses the dehydrating option have a comment on this?

I've heard that 6 months is how long dehydrated food lasts. But if you freeze it, the life extends to 2 years. The things you have to worry about are the fat that may go rancid, the moisture that may spoil it, and perhaps any bacteria that gets on it. The freezing will slow or prevent these things. I too was looking more towards dehydrating, but perhaps canning is better. If the electricity goes out, you can still can food.

Yes canning is better in Jars

meat in jars after the first pasteurization for the 0.5 liter jar - 60 mint (put my jar of water with temperature of 40C), boil for 60 mint in temp 80C. keeps a jar of meat one month in a cool place below 10 C.

The second pasteurization of the same jar after 24 hours:

0.5 liter jar - 40 minutes (same temperature) - this jar holds up to six months in a cool place below 10 C (one month without refrigeration)

Third pasteurization after the next 24 hours

0.5 liter jar - 30 mint (the same temperature) - a jar lasts 6 months without refrigeration.

- meat, after the third pasteurization become dry in the middle

From what I read stored in jars in a dark place at temperature below 10 C and after three progressive pasteurization are good to eat for three years.

how do I begin to give the rules and how exactly pasteurized + equipment in department rules.

It is important to brewing temperature

You can also burn in the oven with an electric hot air (easier)

 

[Mikey]

meat in jars after the first pasteurization for the 0.5 liter jar - 60 mint (put my jar of water with temperature of 40C), boil for 60 mint in temp 80C. keeps a jar of meat one month in a cool place below 10 C.

Well, isn't this process of repeated heating to 80°C awkwardly complicated? What about heating it once to 100°C (or above if inside of a pressure cooker) for maximum preservability?

 

[Lucius]

meat in jars after the first pasteurization for the 0.5 liter jar - 60 mint (put my jar of water with temperature of 40C), boil for 60 mint in temp 80C. keeps a jar of meat one month in a cool place below 10 C.

Well, isn't this process of repeated heating to 80°C awkwardly complicated? What about heating it once to 100°C (or above if inside of a pressure cooker) for maximum preservability?

insert into jars of water at 40 degrees C in order not to burst, we put at the bottom of the cloth (to the jars do not touch the bottom of the pot) or a metal grille minimum height of 0.5 cm.
If we put immediately into hot jars, 100C temperature may crack hmm I do not know how it is in appearance immediately into cold water. From what I read is put into jars to 40 C.


Oven:

Intercede for them in the cold and warming up the oven to 180 degrees. When the contents of the jar begins to boil, reduce the temperature to 140-150 degrees and bake 1 hour. Baking pasteurized better than cooking because the temperature is much higher than boiling water. I assure you that the jars do not burst, you just leave the top 3 cm empty space

I will test all myself in next month with many different recipes for meat