truth seeker
The Living Force
The only thing I can think of is that perhaps this particular batch with this ghee still had milk solids in them which allowed it to go bad. :/Data said:
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dugdeep said:
pH is applicable only for water solutions. Fat can't have any pH per definition.
dugdeep said:OK, again I misunderstood. It seemed like maybe the 100C wasn't enough to kill the bacteria, but that might not be the case. I know it is possible to can in 100% fat. Actually, when I was working in restaurants we used to preserve duck confit simply by imersing it in duck fat and refridgerating it - no canning necessary. It would last for months (possibly longer but I never had the oportunity to test it). I wonder if ghee simply isn't the right kind of fat for the job
I dunno. Sardines are also in pure olive oil. So it can't be the fat as such. I don't have an idea what went wrong. Maybe, as truth seeker said, this particular patch of Ghee was not suitable. I just know that all 6 glasses were spoilt.
dugdeep said:
Yes, I like this hissing beast! :D
dugdeep said:
Yes, or simply give them to family.
Gawan said:
I ordered directly from Amazon. Shipping and customs were about as expensive as the cooker itself
but it arrived a few days later and it should last forever. It's very robust and has good quality.http://www.amazon.com/All-American-2-Quart-Pressure-Cooker-Canner/dp/B00004S893/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1316282872&sr=8-2
TOTEM36
Jedi
Sorry, have to get this off my chest.
I live in an average suburban street, and i remember reading a post by a lady earlier in this thread who made a great point, which basically said- what was the point of storing food, if your hungry neighbours will only break down your door and take it anyway?
So, to me the only logical solution is this:
why not forget extensive canning etc.
continue calmy living your life while it is still good, help people, and, if all hell breaks loose and everyone turns into lord of the flies
why not just have some type of lethal but quick exit pill stored away in a safe place?
Then you can quickly get out of this place and back to the 5th.
I respect what people are trying to do with canning, but this is the only plan that gives complete peace of mind. There is a good book available on this subject.
I live in an average suburban street, and i remember reading a post by a lady earlier in this thread who made a great point, which basically said- what was the point of storing food, if your hungry neighbours will only break down your door and take it anyway?
So, to me the only logical solution is this:
why not forget extensive canning etc.
continue calmy living your life while it is still good, help people, and, if all hell breaks loose and everyone turns into lord of the flies
why not just have some type of lethal but quick exit pill stored away in a safe place?
Then you can quickly get out of this place and back to the 5th.
I respect what people are trying to do with canning, but this is the only plan that gives complete peace of mind. There is a good book available on this subject.
truth seeker
The Living Force
This sounds a bit fear based to me. If we're dealing with 'what if's', then, what if people extend hospitality in their own communities so that there is a greater chance of people helping one another when times become difficult? Wouldn't there then be a need for food?hallowed said:
If we're going to live in constant fear of the worst, we may find that we project those same fears onto others even when it's unwarranted and find ourselves in a self fulfilling prophecy. Perhaps if we seek to live with an open mind and heart, we may find that we are pleasantly surprised and that everyone is not out to get us.
MnSportsman
Jedi
:( It saddens me that something that can be relatively easy for most/all to do, seems to be so difficult for some to accomplish. There are myriads of information available right here on the internet. The process is not "rocket- science". It should not scare anyone to do this process.
I am getting the feeling that some are thinking that you have to have a background in chemistry to pursue the simple canning of food stuffs.
It is not so.
Forget about "PH" ( acid/alkalinity) for the moment.
Here is an example of what you can find right off in your search to learn the process"
Canning 101. from Backwoodshome.com
Here is an example of another google search using "meats" as a "parameter". :
CANNING MEAT THE RIGHT WAY
Friends, I do not come here to give you trouble, but to try to help, & I feel as though, (based on prior replies/ lack of replies) , that I am possibly considered a "troll".
Well, I beg to differ. I have much experience in some of this "Preparedness", & although I am not as well versed in the customs of other countries, & their methods of passing on information; I have a bit to share on this subject. ( Much more than I have seen in this topic so far.) , So I try to do my best to add to the Subject/Topic. Which brings me to believe.... that if you "dis-agree", you may find your self relegated to.... Just "another" one of those "new people" trying to butt in.
Regardless, If you folks want to talk Preparation?
Then perhaps you would like to bring up the subject of "water purification", which, assure you , is of much more importance than how to can foods.
I've "said my piece".
I wish you all well & do not intend to post any longer in this topic. I will make a post or two in my Introductory topic ( if allowed), & then will forego any more "participation" in this forum, other than to keep up my learning curve & studies of what would think to be "higher learning", & also try to enjoy the information that can be gained from this forum( member or not).
With all due respect to all,
JB/MnSportsman
I am getting the feeling that some are thinking that you have to have a background in chemistry to pursue the simple canning of food stuffs.
It is not so.
Forget about "PH" ( acid/alkalinity) for the moment.
Here is an example of what you can find right off in your search to learn the process"
Canning 101. from Backwoodshome.com
Here is an example of another google search using "meats" as a "parameter". :
CANNING MEAT THE RIGHT WAY
Friends, I do not come here to give you trouble, but to try to help, & I feel as though, (based on prior replies/ lack of replies) , that I am possibly considered a "troll".
Well, I beg to differ. I have much experience in some of this "Preparedness", & although I am not as well versed in the customs of other countries, & their methods of passing on information; I have a bit to share on this subject. ( Much more than I have seen in this topic so far.) , So I try to do my best to add to the Subject/Topic. Which brings me to believe.... that if you "dis-agree", you may find your self relegated to.... Just "another" one of those "new people" trying to butt in.
Regardless, If you folks want to talk Preparation?
Then perhaps you would like to bring up the subject of "water purification", which, assure you , is of much more importance than how to can foods.
I've "said my piece".
I wish you all well & do not intend to post any longer in this topic. I will make a post or two in my Introductory topic ( if allowed), & then will forego any more "participation" in this forum, other than to keep up my learning curve & studies of what would think to be "higher learning", & also try to enjoy the information that can be gained from this forum( member or not).
With all due respect to all,
JB/MnSportsman
MnSportsman, for what it's worth I've found your advice to be helpful and relevant. I don't think you're being a "troll". Note that it can take some time for people to reply to your posts, and that silence doesn't mean that they aren't being read.
I see that you've made a post to go into the background, which is up to you of course.
I see that you've made a post to go into the background, which is up to you of course.
Just before the civil war, we experienced an economic collapse. That was an aweful time to live in. However, even in the abyss of dispair there is hope. Even in darkeness there is light (see the yin-yang symbol). And even if the most difficult days, there are people to help, and people who help. There are also jerks but those are part of the landscape so to say.
One is what he/she is in this life, and what he/she offers to life. Which face of god one faces. There is a saying that says "whenever there is life, there is hope". And that is not theoretical, it has been experienced by all those who have seen the sorrow of this life and went through it.
So what is the best attitude toward dispair? Life. What is the best atitude towards difficulty? Life. That is what to align with. One accepts what happens and participates the best he/can in the course of life. Suicide is not a solution, it is a negation of life, and a negation of the opportunity of beeing and acting when time comes.
The work is about being a warrior, a knight, conscious sufferer like christ, that's a hard experience, but worth living. Preparing is part of the warriors/knight/christ path, suicide is not.
And this is just my personal opinion as person who has no means to prepare to anything.
One is what he/she is in this life, and what he/she offers to life. Which face of god one faces. There is a saying that says "whenever there is life, there is hope". And that is not theoretical, it has been experienced by all those who have seen the sorrow of this life and went through it.
So what is the best attitude toward dispair? Life. What is the best atitude towards difficulty? Life. That is what to align with. One accepts what happens and participates the best he/can in the course of life. Suicide is not a solution, it is a negation of life, and a negation of the opportunity of beeing and acting when time comes.
The work is about being a warrior, a knight, conscious sufferer like christ, that's a hard experience, but worth living. Preparing is part of the warriors/knight/christ path, suicide is not.
And this is just my personal opinion as person who has no means to prepare to anything.
I grew up canning tomotoes, green beans, corn, meat, jams...etc..So I can appreciate where you are coming from MnSportsman. Doing something for years makes it second nature, but for others, who didn't have the same experience, it may seem a very daunting task, especially if a pressure cooker is involved! :D
In addition to this, when I lived overseas, I was unable to find Kerr/Ball canning lids & rings, or even the jars for that matter. What I did find was the re-usable rubber rings & clamp jars, which I don't prefer, but made due with. Since this forum is world-wide, things we get easily in the USA, are simply not available in other places.
In addition to this, when I lived overseas, I was unable to find Kerr/Ball canning lids & rings, or even the jars for that matter. What I did find was the re-usable rubber rings & clamp jars, which I don't prefer, but made due with. Since this forum is world-wide, things we get easily in the USA, are simply not available in other places.
TOTEM36
Jedi
Truthseeker,
I know what you mean, but, even if the worst case scenario does not occur, it does not mean you should suppress it and and push the thought of it away, this is avoiding reality. Its better to be prepared, then your mind cannot drain your energy with fear. In my opinion, the ego is fear based /survival machine, and is a part of all of us, -so it must be given practical solutions to silence it.
mkrnhr,
Suicide because you did not get a job promotion or because your favourite strawberry icecream was not available at the supermarket is a cop out. But, sometimes suffering can be purposless massochism and achieve nothing at all.
My understanding is that christs plan was an extreme act of compassion, but, contained no wisdom at all. In other words it was a foolish example for the common man (im going to hell now). Although in its context, Christ's example was probably a useful thing at that time for human evolution. But, for the common person today his example is not a good example to follow at all. Being that Christ was completely unselfish, his example was not balanced. I think.
I know what you mean, but, even if the worst case scenario does not occur, it does not mean you should suppress it and and push the thought of it away, this is avoiding reality. Its better to be prepared, then your mind cannot drain your energy with fear. In my opinion, the ego is fear based /survival machine, and is a part of all of us, -so it must be given practical solutions to silence it.
mkrnhr,
Suicide because you did not get a job promotion or because your favourite strawberry icecream was not available at the supermarket is a cop out. But, sometimes suffering can be purposless massochism and achieve nothing at all.
My understanding is that christs plan was an extreme act of compassion, but, contained no wisdom at all. In other words it was a foolish example for the common man (im going to hell now). Although in its context, Christ's example was probably a useful thing at that time for human evolution. But, for the common person today his example is not a good example to follow at all. Being that Christ was completely unselfish, his example was not balanced. I think.
truth seeker
The Living Force
I think you may be reading more into what I actually said. I didn't say anything about suppressing the worst case scenario, of course it is possible but so is the alternative.hallowed said:
To me, death by my own hand is not preferable to preparing 'too much'. If I understood your initial post correctly, you were basically saying why be overly concerned about preparation if people are going to steal your food? How can one know this will happen?
It just sounds to me like a fear program used to further worry people. People can't think straight when they are afraid.
What keeps me going is the knowledge that one can always do something - even at times when it appears impossible. I'll give an example. I was two blocks away from the world trade center on 9/11. No one in the area really knew what was happening aside from what they heard on the news (and those in the know). In the place I was working, I could have left. But because I had and felt a responsibility to others, I stayed with them and even stayed with the group after we left the area. They expressed their gratitude to me afterwards.
Now we can go back and forth over ego and savior programs in terms of underlying agendas but the point is that my concern for myself at that time was for other people. Did I want to die? Absolutely not, but there was something greater than myself that needed to be addressed. If I have to die helping someone, that's really okay with me. What I couldn't (and still can't) live with would have been knowing that I looked out for my own self interests.
So, if someone wants to steal my food, they can have it.
Life to me has been and is a miraculous thing and I have found that just when you think you know what's going to happen, all of a sudden there's a turn of events and grace steps in.
Yes, there's a lot of evil out there, but the universe in it's mercy also provides balance and to only see one or the other and especially not taking into account the specifics of each situation, I think, is really a disservice to the divine and awesome nature of the universe. My two cents.
