Preparedness

I will try to answer your question, Mariama.

You can cook the meat separately & transfer to the glass containers, but in the transfer to the jars you can get the juice/fats from the meat on the rim of the glass container much easier than filling them with raw meats(less juice). Thus possibly then compromise the "seal" of the jar & its' lid. Thus ruining the batch you have made, & the time spent.

Another reason to cook & create the vacuum, by doing meat(or whatever you are canning) & jars together, is that you do not create a disparity of temperature between the contents & the glass. ( The jar & contents heat up at relatively the same rate ) In heating them together, you reduce the chance the glass will break/crack due to heat differential of the 2 different materials.( Glass vs contents) If the glass breaks then you should throw away contents also, along with the broken jar, so you not have glass mixed into what contents you may try to salvage. A jar cracking is bad, but a jar bursting can break/crack all others in canner & again, batch is ruined & time/effort/materials wasted.

You can cook the contents first & then transfer to the jars, but would suggest that the contents be cooled before adding to the jars to prevent sudden change in glass temp during adding contents. Cold /cool glass & adding hot contents is not a good thing.( or vice versa). Being careful not to get contents on top edge of jar where lid meets glass. Then can/heat them together in order to create vacuum to "seal" jars, as that is the reason for heating the jars & lids & contents in order to "can".
:-)

I hope I wrote that well enough. I am not as good at explainng by typing, as I can be when speaking....
;-)
 
I see herondancer seems to have posted before me.But I took the time to type so I posted anyway.

oh well.
:-)

edited due to forgot the 2nd "I" in last sentence( The "I/i" button on this previously owned/used laptop is weak. Perhaps having less"I's" is a good thing? ;-)
 
MnSportsman said:
I hope I wrote that well enough. I am not as good at explainng by typing, as I can be when speaking....
;-)

I think you are good at explaining things. :D
Now I understand why we have to can the jars as well. Thank you both, herodancer and MnSportsman.

I will check the amount of lbs. I may have to look for a bigger pressure cooker, as the one I have is fairly small.
 
I figured out one thing about fat rendering. (I think so anyways). As I said previously, when I rendered, my tallow came out different textures. two cans of it was hard / brittle, two cans was like pudding texture. This is at room temperature. the brittle textured suet was kidney fat. It was called "suet" though I don't know if suet means exclusively kidney fat to everyone. The other fat that I had bought was just labeled "beef fat". The farm made this distinction in their product. In the raw form, both are similar. I didn't notice any difference. But when they are rendered I think it is different. And I think it is because the kidney fat has a different fatty acid profile compared to the other fat, which I guess comes from a variety of places on the cow (not just around the kidney).

That's my idea but I'm going to render more, so I will have more data. The hard tallow is much more preferable because it doesn't make a mess, and doesn't coat the utensils. Also, It might have longer shelf-life. I'm not really sure.
Mariama said:
I will check the amount of lbs. I may have to look for a bigger pressure cooker, as the one I have is fairly small.

I got the presto pressure cooker on Amazon. If you live in the USA then you can probably get it, and for free shipping. it's 70 to 80 dollars. much less than the competitor model which is the "All-American" brand. I just did one canning batch, but so far I am impressed. On friday I'm going to do three more. I also bought the "Presto Pressure Canner Pressure Regulator" Because many are complaining they have to watch the gauge for the entire process to make sure the pressure doesn't drop below 11 lb. The regulator lets you know by sound a pressure level is maintained. personally, I don't see why the pressure would not be maintained (maybe I am missing something). but the regulator is nice because their is three weights each which adds 5 lb of pressure to the canner. So first of all, you can test the gauge with this to make sure it reads correctly at the intervals. Also for the meat you can use two weights, this means, when the pressure gets above 10 lb it will jiggle and you will here a sound. So you can know that it maintains at least above 10 lb constantly. But still, you want to make sure it is at 11 lb because there is the certain organism that needs 11 lb / sq inch, of pressure to kill it.

You cannot cook in it because it is Aluminum.
 
wetroof said:
I got the presto pressure cooker on Amazon. If you live in the USA then you can probably get it, and for free shipping. it's 70 to 80 dollars. much less than the competitor model which is the "All-American" brand. I just did one canning batch, but so far I am impressed. On friday I'm going to do three more. I also bought the "Presto Pressure Canner Pressure Regulator" Because many are complaining they have to watch the gauge for the entire process to make sure the pressure doesn't drop below 11 lb. The regulator lets you know by sound a pressure level is maintained. personally, I don't see why the pressure would not be maintained (maybe I am missing something). but the regulator is nice because their is three weights each which adds 5 lb of pressure to the canner. So first of all, you can test the gauge with this to make sure it reads correctly at the intervals. Also for the meat you can use two weights, this means, when the pressure gets above 10 lb it will jiggle and you will here a sound. So you can know that it maintains at least above 10 lb constantly. But still, you want to make sure it is at 11 lb because there is the certain organism that needs 11 lb / sq inch, of pressure to kill it.

You cannot cook in it because it is Aluminum.

I found a canner (in Holland), but it is not a pressure canner. I asked the man in question (employee at the shop) and he said that people have been canning meat for years in these canners. The temperature can rise until 111 degrees C through some special process like dejuicing (?). 'Entsaften' in German.
Like Data he said it is not only the temperature that is important, but also the amount of time.

http://www.brouwmarkt.nl/catalog/weck-inmaakketels-c-58_134.html

The canner is not cheap, I have found one in enamal with timer and thermostat for 155 euros. So no aluminium, which means that I will also be able to can without the jars. And it is still a lot cheaper than the dehydrator. And I love working with these jars/glass.
 
Just wanted to mention that I bought all kinds of essential oils, fats, herbs, stevia and elixers, so that I can start making salves and stuff, together with a lady I know.
I was inspired by this thread and the ice age thread, so I bought some extra essential oils, not just for the family. In case people/neighbours need help with a health problem. My knowledge is still pretty basic, but I love working with these oils and clay. I will be ordering some extra clay soon.

Found a Dutch site where one can find the properties of lots of essential oils. Interesting how various herbalists mention different properties.

http://www.kenkkruidenshop.nl/c-750856/etherische-olien/

I have also asked other villagers if they are interested in canning (meat) in our newsletter, since I have bought a (European) canner. I also offered my son's time, as he is good with computers. In case people are already experiencing financial difficulties.

Thanks for the inspiration! :)
 
Mariama said:
I have also asked other villagers if they are interested in canning (meat) in our newsletter, since I have bought a (European) canner. I also offered my son's time, as he is good with computers. In case people are already experiencing financial difficulties.

Sounds good, but shouldn't it be up to your son to offer his own time? ;)
 
fabric said:
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http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html

If you study the data chart near the end, you'll see that MesoSilver has the smallest particle size (more effective) and the highest concentration of particles, thus it also is the most expensive. I discovered this data 5 years ago and have successfully used MesoSilver since then for skin infections and sinus irrigation, as well as taking it orally for specific illnesses or general prevention. Other brands with similar data may be good too, but I personally can attest to my satisfaction with MesoSilver.
 
anart said:
Mariama said:
I have also asked other villagers if they are interested in canning (meat) in our newsletter, since I have bought a (European) canner. I also offered my son's time, as he is good with computers. In case people are already experiencing financial difficulties.

Sounds good, but shouldn't it be up to your son to offer his own time? ;)

Yes, it should, shouldn't it? I am still in two minds about it. And don't know what to do frankly. He is home educated and getting bored. Watching MTV. :headbash: I think I will start a new thread discussing this. :)
 
I was wondering about botulism, as people have mentioned it in this thread. And how great the risk really is.

Yesterday I rang the company from which I bought my canner and asked about botulism. He said that there was no risk of botulism. He has been selling canners for 35 years now and has never heard of one case. As long as you keep everything clean.
He also explained that this Weck method (invented by a French cook during the Napoleonistic war) was invented in order to preserve meat and veggies for a long time.

I asked a lady from my village who is from Poland and whose mother has always been canning meat in recycled glass jars and they have never experienced problems.

My partner's mother used to can vegetables in an old-fashioned canner and reported no problems, either. But she only canned/wecked veggies.

My canner is not a pressure canner, the temperature goes up to about 110 degrees Celcius.

The German and Dutch wikipidea page on canning do not mention botulism, whereas the American page does!

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wecken

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einkochen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_canning
 
Mariama said:
I was wondering about botulism, as people have mentioned it in this thread. And how great the risk really is.

The risk can be minimized by sufficiently long sterilization time, high temperature, low pH value and high salt content.

The risk can further be minimized when you cook preserved foods before you eat them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulism said:
Although the botulinum toxin is destroyed by thorough cooking over the course of a few minutes, the spore itself is not killed by the temperatures reached with normal sea-level-pressure boiling, leaving it free to grow and again produce the toxin when conditions are right.

Mariama said:
My canner is not a pressure canner, the temperature goes up to about 110 degrees Celcius.

Without pressure canning, you can't exceed 100 °C.
 
Data said:
The risk can further be minimized when you cook preserved foods before you eat them:

Also if you cook the meat before you can it, instead of just canning the raw meat, it will decrease the risk.
 
Data said:
The risk can be minimized by sufficiently long sterilization time, high temperature, low pH value and high salt content.

The risk can further be minimized when you cook preserved foods before you eat them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulism said:
Although the botulinum toxin is destroyed by thorough cooking over the course of a few minutes, the spore itself is not killed by the temperatures reached with normal sea-level-pressure boiling, leaving it free to grow and again produce the toxin when conditions are right.

Mariama said:
My canner is not a pressure canner, the temperature goes up to about 110 degrees Celcius.

Without pressure canning, you can't exceed 100 °C.

Thanks Data!
According to the gentleman that sold me the canner the temperature can rise up to about 110 degrees C, if I use the option 'entsaften'??
 
3D Student said:
Data said:
The risk can further be minimized when you cook preserved foods before you eat them:

Also if you cook the meat before you can it, instead of just canning the raw meat, it will decrease the risk.

Yes, that is what I did first, 3D Student.

Also, I read the interesting French blog that mrs. Tigersoap (I believe) posted, where somebody explained how to detect botulism. Although we cannot smell it, we can see it. Bubbles in the jar and upon opening the lid comes off far too easily.
S/he also mentioned salt and more. I will have a look at it again and see if I can translate more of what s/he said.
 
Yes, the bubbles can even form into a foam on top. Since the jars get sealed when the contents are still hot, a bit of a vacuum forms as the contents cool. When you open the jar, there should be resistance on the lid from the vacuum pressure. When you pry off the lid, you should hear either a pop or some other sound indicating air is quickly entering the jar.

However, with bacterial growth, there would be gasses being created in the jar.

I think there are lids available that have a circular area in the centre that should indicate if the vacuum exists. The circular area should be depressed. If it isn't, you know there's something wrong.

FWIW,
Gonzo
 

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