Pulsed EMF - any experience with this technology?

[Mrs. Peel]

What do you think and has anyone experienced this with a device whose intensity and frequency could be known?

This is the unit I purchased. At the time, they were offering $200 off and periodically run promotions on it.

Shealy-Sorin gamma PEMF device

Here is some more information about it:

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This device has three settings, basically one for pain, one for anxiety/depression, and one for relaxation/insomnia, but you cannot adjust the intensity. There is a power pack, and a ring/coil that you can position on your body in various places. You can plug it in, or run it off the battery.

I've been using it for back pain, and I had an MRI on my knee that was determinable as to whether there was a slight tear in the meniscus or not, so I've been using it on that also. I've also been using the "anxiety/depression" setting and tried the "insomnia" setting although I think it may have the opposite effect or I just need to do more experimenting with when and how long to use it before bed.

I started out slow, using it for 15 minutes at a time a few times a day. Sometimes I take a day or two off to let my body catch up. All in all, I do believe it's having a beneficial effect.

 

[France]

What do you think and has anyone experienced this with a device whose intensity and frequency could be known?

I am currently doing this and am on my ninth session out of 10.
I have two friends who have experienced this at the same time as me.

My needs were not sleep but rather a problem of low blood platelets for several years. The white blood cells are also out of balance without showing any apparent symptoms. No infection, no anemia, no allergies.... I mentioned to the doctor that maybe I could have traumas that I don't remember that affect the platelets.

I have done emotional work on certain situations that could affect the "blood" and nothing has been conclusive in terms of blood results except that I have an inner sense of peace and detachment.

I have made dietary changes to reduce inflammation and to reduce the porosity of the intestine. This has certainly helped other systems but has not yielded any results in the blood tests.

To follow up on my research, I wanted to try PEMF to see if my body could give me other information when receiving the treatments. According to me, 10 sessions are not enough to change a blood problem in depth but it can release certain traumas. I did 4 sessions for trauma and detoxification.

From the second session, the tips of my fingers and toes were hurting. After asking questions to the doctor who offers these treatments, I received the answer that it is the extremities that are farthest from the heart so the circulation can be slower if the circuits have been atrophied. The electromagnetic pulses help the circulation in general.

It reminded me that my fingers freeze up quickly in the winter and even in the summer after sports. Now after the 4th session, I felt my left hand warming up during the PEMF treatment and I visualized the blood flow going to my fingertips clearing the circuits and clearing the memory of the cold in my fingers. (I recently went hiking and my fingers didn't go numb after the sport).
I had a positive result in my toes. However, there was some pain when the circuits came back to life.

Some dreams went up.

As for the blood results, I don't know but I visualize that my body is regenerating by a frequency that it needs for its balance.
After the 4th treatment, I asked to change the protocol in order to help the nerves and tendons because I fell and some tendons are very sensitive as well as the nerves that were affected in one hand. This frequency is very soothing for me. I take my days one at a time. This protocol (nerves and tendons) seems to have helped a little hip pain I had that is no longer there.

In every work I have done to balance myself, there have been passages of pain when the neurological pathway was cleared for better circulation. I give the body a rest before moving on to the next step. So the videos I listened to on the PEMF advised us of this too. Small dose at the beginning and increase as you go along. Maintain a regularity.

The treatment I receive is one hour per week. It's not free. It has a 30 min. detox protocol and one or two others (2x15min or 30 min.) for specific needs. If I had a mat at home to do PEMF, I would do 2 X 30 min. a day or every other day instead of an hour a week.
I will end my comment by saying that you need to be informed because there are different intensities and different frequencies. Dr. Pawluk's videos have helped me. I will keep reading and searching in order to get more information.

 

[Pierre]

What do you think and has anyone experienced this with a device whose intensity and frequency could be known?

I had about 25 sessions of PEMF around 2019. it was done in conjunction with oxygen therapy and vit C infusion. I definitely felt a boost in energy after each session, but I don't know what therapy induced this boost.

 

[Jacques]

I had about 25 sessions of PEMF around 2019. it was done in conjunction with oxygen therapy and vit C infusion. I definitely felt a boost in energy after each session, but I don't know what therapy induced this boost.

The most important thing in PEMF is the intensity (measured in gauss or Tesla). You need at least 15 gauss on the skin and more you go deeper more you need intensity. The intensity is determined by the inverse square law.

PEMF can be combines with HBOT (and vice-versa) to give even better results. However, you have to be very careful when you choose your device since intensity matter and frequency too.

As Dr Pawluk says in his book :

To give an example, the kidneys may be a target for PEMF treatment. Inflammation in the kidneys is common, and the kidneys have been found to have adenosine receptors. We know that neutrophils are present within the kidney circulation when there is inflammation. The depth of the center of the kidneys into the body is typically from 5 to 7 cm (2 to 2.8 in) from the front of the abdomen (Xue). The thickness of the kidneys is typically about 5 cm (2 in) from the center of the kidney to the back of the kidney (Moorthy). If a PEMF applicator is placed over the anterior abdomen and the expected depth to reach the back of the kidney is 9.5 cm—or rounding up, 10 cm (3.9 in)—with the goal intensity being 1.5 mT, the maximum PEMF intensity would need to be 182 mT (1820 gauss). This means that a PEMF system would need to be selected that can deliver at least this much magnetic field intensity to adequately target the kidneys.

Here's the table showing the relation between intensity and distance:

 

[Voyageur]

The most important thing in PEMF is the intensity (measured in gauss or Tesla). You need at least 15 gauss on the skin and more you go deeper more you need intensity. The intensity is determined by the inverse square law.

Was looking around to see what place offered treatment, - lowest so far was $20 a session if 12 sessions are purchased, however there is no information gauss.

This is the unit I purchased. At the time, they were offering $200 off and periodically run promotions on it.

Shealy-Sorin gamma PEMF device

Great, and that was different then I was expecting.

Something that was also found (mentioned early in the thread on BEMER) was the equine, not human, application in the form of a blanket, and this says not all blankets are created equal (looking to gauss). This was surprising - can it be adopted, are there blankets for humans like this? There are many types of pads, so just looking into this now. Then there is the Tesla type systems, which are much more complicated (and Health Canada/CSA/CE approved).

Here is for horses:

 

[hiker]

Thanks for mentioning that book, @Gandalf.

I have used Vasindux PEMF mat to help in keeping my cancer from relapsing.

Vasindux Pro

Vasindux Pro Key Features: Easy To Use Quick Start Shortcuts Adjustable Intensity Adjustable Time 12 Preset Programs Custom Programs What Makes the Vasindux Pro PEMF Therapy Systems Unique? The Vasindux Pro is the result of years of research. Assembled in the USA, the Vasindux Pro is a pulsed...

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Magnetic field strentgh of the mat is .05 - .75 Gauss, and the frequency range can be adjusted between .1 and 99 Hz.
I have used it for 30 minutes per day (not every day) and often a separate 30min bout a bit later, at 10Hz, with a red/near infra red light nearby (in low setting at a safe distance).

According to this writer:

Magnetic Therapy Cancer - Frequency Specific PEMF

Frequency specific magnetic therapy cancer; raise saturated oxygen SAO2, tissue oxygen, ATP levels using frequency specific PEMF; helps body fight cancer.

earthpulse.net

Fields closer to power frequency (50-60 Hz AC) or higher, and down to about 20 Hz appear to increase cancer growth. Notice on bottom of page 23 Haltiwanger discusses frequency specificity. Keep in mind Haltiwanger says 10 Hz is anti-cancer frequency while anything above 10 Hz is pro-cancer and this is just not so. We judge the cut-off at 15 Hz and is why our system has always been limited to second Schumann peak at 14.1 Hz at highest frequency.

So, I have been playing it safe and have run the mat at 10Hz. There is a positive boost and you feel better afterwards.

With Vasindux devices, you can use a sine or square wave: I think a sine wave is seen more natural, so I have stuck with that.

It is interesting to know that HBOT could work better if PEMF is used priorly!

 

[Jacques]

Something that was also found (mentioned early in the thread on BEMER)

You can read about the Bemer on Dr Pawluk' website :

So the BEMER is only around one Gauss. Sometimes, depending on how you use it, it might be two Gauss, three Gauss, at the most. It’s too little for the price.

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So, do I like the BEMER? I think it has value. I think it’s probably better for health maintenance than to treat specific health issues.

According to many studies, the intensity (number of gauss) is very important and you need to know how much gauss your system gives you before renting one or buying one or going for treatments.

With Vasindux devices, you can use a sine or square wave: I think a sine wave is seen more natural, so I have stuck with that.

The frequency is another factor to consider too.

 

[Jacques]

Still reading and searching about PEMF.

but given that most research points to the generation of charge in tissues as being the most obvious reason PEMF therapy works, intensity may well matter more than any other single factor.

Well, although Dr Pawluk says that intensity is the most important thing, here's another opinion about that : (link of the quotes)

Pages 8-18 in Dr Pawluk's Book, "Power Tools for Health", is a chapter on Electrodynamics and Physics that contains MANY serious mistakes that lay the foundation for the ENTIRE book.

Most egregious are his misuse of the Inverse Square law that leads to answers off by up to 5600% AND his misunderstanding of Faraday's Law of Induction. There are Many other scientific mistakes we'll explore but THESE are the main two he uses to justify NEEDING a high intensity PEMF device. So basically he is using INCORRECT physics in telling people that they need high intensity.

While there are SEVERAL errors related to Physics in Dr Pawluk's Book Power Tools for Health, there are TWO mistakes that are so bad that they totally discredit the THESIS of his book. What I mean is Dr Pawluk USES these two laws as justification of needing high intensity! And as we'll see his bad science gives answers that are off by over 5000%!!

You can read the full article at the link given above.

A video about that :

So since I am not an expert in physics, I don't know exactly where the truth stands in these different point of views. @Pierre

I will have to continue my research on that subject to have a better understanding.

 

[Jacques]

Here's a video talking about the "Top 10 Ways that PEMF Helps The Body to Heal Itself".

So far, Bryan Meyers and Dr Pawluk have two different points of view about the importance of intensity.
However both agree that a PEMF device can really help the body but the main question remains what are the best criteria to choose one ?

 

[Altair]

Here's a video talking about the "Top 10 Ways that PEMF Helps The Body to Heal Itself".

So far, Bryan Meyers and Dr Pawluk have two different points of view about the importance of intensity.
However both agree that a PEMF device can really help the body but the main question remains what are the best criteria to choose one ?

Dr. Pawluk dedicated a whole section to this question in his book Power Tools for Health: How pulsed magnetic fields (PEMFs) help you:

 

[Jacques]

Adding more info on the subject, I found that yesterday :

From that website:

Disclaimer: The following is the scientific opinion of Robert Dennis, PhD. It is not to be viewed as established scientific fact or clinical advice. Bob Dennis also clearly points out his financial interest and potential for scientific bias in the matter under discussion, so, please, use good sense and healthy skepticism when considering his opinions.

(1) The most important thing to know about PEMF is that, based upon the reports of physicians and health care providers with many years of clinical experience using a wide range of different products, PEMF clearly has beneficial effects on chronic pain as well as a wide range of other medical conditions that are difficult or impossible to treat by conventional means.

(2) Why is there so much disagreement in the scientific and clinical literature on PEMF? There are many reasons for this. I will summarize just a few: (1) Most scientific papers that report the effects of PEMF fail to give adequate and accurate details on the type of PEMF used when using a commercial PEMF system, or they inadequately describe the PEMF system of their own design, so it is unclear exactly what they are testing, (2) PEMF is not just one thing, it is very many different things with potentially very different effects, so it is not correct to make blanket statements about whether or not "PEMF works”, just as it makes no sense to say "chemicals work" because different chemicals do different things, (3) within this large range of possibilities some PEMF devices may have the wrong pulse waveform or other parameters to have significant biological effects, so scientific study of only these forms of PEMF will "prove" incorrectly that PEMF does not work,

(4) How does PEMF work? This question is at the heart of the PEMF debate between scientists, because even now we really do not understand fundamentally how PEMF works. Scientifically, there is a big difference between "what something does" versus "how it works". There is a growing consensus that PEMF has a lot of clinical benefits (what it does), but we remain largely in the dark about how it works, the nuts-and-bolts of how pulsed magnetic fields cause biomolecules to react. This question falls under the field of molecular biophysics, which is the study of how cells and molecules interact with the forces of nature. In the case of PEMF, the main question is this: how do cells detect magnetic fields?

(6) What does PEMF do? While the mechanism of action of PEMF remains unknown, and it is possible that different forms of PEMF have different mechanisms of action at the molecular and cellular level, it is clear that at least some forms of PEMF do not just "block pain". Considering the bulk of clinical evidence, it is likely that PEMF acts to allow the body to correct the underlying problems that have lead to a condition of chronic pain. Because the effects of PEMF can persist for a very long time after the use of PEMF has stopped, it is logical to conclude that PEMF is acting to correct the problem that has been causing the pain, not just blocking the pain signal.

(10) If we know so little about PEMF, how can we tell which PEMF product works best? The good news for you the consumer from all of this is that for the many different PEMF systems out there, broad ranges of frequencies are likely to be equivalently effective. There is no need for you to become a biophysicist in your spare time or to hire a scientific Indiana Jones to find the "Special Secret Frequency" just suited to your problem, nor is there a need to pay a king's ransom for access to someone's "special" frequency. I could be wrong about this, but all available evidence favors my opinion; not just the lack of compelling scientific evidence to the contrary, but also the fact that most clinicians report that most modern PEMF systems seem to work pretty well for most applications.

And then there is the debate between “High-Power” and “Low-Power” PEMF. While this may or may not impact the effectiveness of PEMF, it certainly has a direct bearing on the safety of PEMF. For PEMF, safety is more an issue of peak energy exposure, whereas effectiveness is more a function of total dosage above the minimum necessary threshold. In the case of energy exposure safety, consideration is often given to both the peak exposure (maximum intensity) as well as the total dosage: intensity multiplied by exposure time. But biological systems often have an upper limit to their response to a stimulus, so increasing stimuli over a certain intensity level will not elicit a greater response. Many of my colleagues believe that it is possible that the primary effect of high-power PEMF is "pain masking", whereas low-power PEMF, because it is safer and can be applied for longer periods of time, may more directly address the source of pain rather than just blocking or masking pain. Thus, the excess energy of high-power PEMF may not have an optimal effect, or the energy is just wasted, or it may even cause harm.

About the Author

Bob Dennis is a Professor of Biomedical Engineering at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He is a medical scientist and tissue engineer, and also has an active consultancy in medical device design and product development. He has worked in the aerospace and defense industries, the automotive industry, and the medical device industry

 

[Jacques]

While listening to a video by Bryant Meyers about "PEMF Therapy Devices Review: The Big Lie When it Comes to Power"

I saw a comment just below the video written by Robert D. Dennis (same person that in my previous post) saying :

very good work. I think you have all the basic science right, and the tone of your discussion is very helpful, accurate, and productive. This is exactly the type of discussion we need in order to help move PEMF into the mainstream, where it belongs. I have plenty of data that supports your conclusion that low intensity PEMF is very biologically active while being inherently safe. You are also correct to point out the importance of the rapid rise of the magnetic field as reported in the NASA study. The work done at NASA was actually a series of several studies with one main published report. The data from the studies at NASA using TVEMF-PEMF on cells in culture consistently showed that families of genes were up and down regulated using very low levels of peak magnetism and very rapid rise times at low pulse frequency (10 pulses per second, bipolar). Much of the data was not reported in the publication, so the NASA findings are deeper and more nuanced than what you can see in the published report, but you have the main points correct. I designed and built the TVEMF-PEMF instruments used in the NASA studies, so I can say that I think your characterization of the fields and the results is correct. I have been able to repeat and build upon these findings in subsequent work for DARPA and in my privately funded research. I also agree with your estimate of the range of pulse frequencies that has clear biological benefit, somewhere in the range of about 1 to 30 pulses per second, and the value of using changing pulse rates and bipolar pulses. We probably do not exactly agree on the importance of precise frequencies, such as Schumann resonance, but it is helpful for people to understand that scientists often disagree on the details. A field of research will only progress if the discussion is based on reliable facts, established science, and mutual respect. Healthy skepticism, replication of key results, and intelligent challenges of testable hypotheses are crucial for good science. Thank you for contributing very productively to this discussion.

 

[Menna]

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[vaio]

Hello, I would like to share a device that I have purchased and is having absolutely life changing results on myself and my mother who was diagnosed with stage 2 breast cancer 3 months ago and is recovering marvelously so far and I’m just lost for words.

I found it after researching PEMF devices after coming across the bemer device mentioned on the HBOT thread.

It is called a Qi Coil and can be found here:

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There is also a more advanced version (more powerful amplifier and coil) called a Resonant Wand and also there is the Aura Coil (larger coil)



I did not wish to say anything about these systems until I have tried them out myself along with my mother and we have been for the past month and I have to say that they are worth every dollar I spent on them.

Some background:

My mother was diagnosed with stage 2 breast cancer 3 months ago in mid April and I went on a frantic research to find a cure that did not involve surgery/chemo/radio/hormone therapy and my mother was receptive to the idea. And here we are now with a 45% reduction in tumor size 3 months later and lowered cancer markers in her blood.

The devices come with an app that you download off the App Store (iOS or android) and there is even a more advanced app that comes on an android tablet for the resonant wand systems which has all the rife frequencies (my mother used breast cancer and lymphoma cancer frequencies twice a day).

The Qi coil app has many, many frequencies. One of which is the “regenerate frequency” which is the frequency of the sun (!!!) It is absolutely fantastic in giving you energy - even my PLANTS grow towards where I put the Qi coils!!!!

There are so many frequencies to choose from. From meditation to all kinds of healing to sleeping to Schumann resonance to solfeggio to to blood circulation to digestive system support and So. Much. More.

You connect your phone to a sound amplifier (of which there are many available from small mobile ones to larger ones for whole room or even whole house coverage) which in turn connects to the Qi Coils. This means that the sound frequency on the app is amplified and sent out as an electromagnetic signal through the Qi Coil instead of a sound through a regular speaker.

I hope that this message reaches anyone who is searching and I am available to answer any questions and I’m so happy to be able to give back to this wonderful community which directly helped me in so many ways including finding these devices.

There’s so much information on the website and you can do a YouTube search on Qi Coils or David Wong the founder.

 

[Menna]

Brain *****Wave*****

After reading the book When The Body Says No! By Gabor M. It gave me knowledge about the body that I didn’t have before and helped me remember trauma that I surpressed and forgot for 17 years. With that being said I understand that unbalance in energy, frequency, diet, sleep, lifestyle in general can lead to all types of illness.

To become ill you don’t have to come directly in contact with germs or have genetic factors or live a obvious unhealthy lifestyle. Unbalanced stress, energy and emotions over time can culminate in Illness.

With that being said I have trusted the C’s and after the recent session purchased a PEMF Mat. Over the past week I have used the mat before bed for 15-20min at 1-5Hz the Delta brain wave state.

The feeling I have after 20min on the mat is the same relaxed feeling I enter into after I take a epson salt bath. I then fall asleep easier.

I also wake easier and I am not as drowsy in the morning. I also feel my heart operating smoother and have a better state of wellbeing.

In my experience balancing brain waves and timing the different statesHz at different times of the day helps the body operate more efficiently and PEMF should be added into one’s health wellness and longevity routine.

I use PEMF along with grounding mats and photobiomodulation light therapy.