Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

Way too many conflicting news stories at the moment as to what is really happening with Wagner's Prigozhin. Here is another from Slavyangrad Telegram channel.

Yes, what is seen so far is quite calm on the part of the civilian population, Russian troops and Wagner's soldiers can be seen in videos together, the capture or whatever of the headquarters of the military district was done without any major problems, it seems...



This last is apparently all for now and it is what Prigozhin wants:
 
Here is how the situation looks to me at the moment:

- It seems like Prigozhin is showing his true colors now.

- It looks like Prigozhin is staging a coup in Russia using lies, probably playing in the hands of the west. Ordered by the west?

- Prigozhin seriously claims that the Russian military has killed civilians for the last 1,5 years in Ukraine. Playing in the hands of the western Propaganda.

- Prigozhin seriously claims that the real reason Russia went into Ukraine is because Shoigu wanted another medal to show off.

- The usual suspects, such as Khodorkovsky, come out of the woodworks to support Prigozhin against the Kremlin.

- Western media is all over it.

- That „coup“ might serve as a lure for the russian military to redeploy troops away from the Ukraine conflict, thereby opening a „opportunity“ there for the Ukrainians to „win“ and/or attempt a serious blow against Russia.

As for speculations like this: „Interestingly Prigozhin never criticized or attacked Putin“, I would say that the following is probably the reason:

If you want to stage a coup and/or destabilize Russia, it would be stupid/counterproductive to talk bad about Putin, who is clearly supported by about 80 percent of Russians. Instead it is more productive to blame the head of the military, namely Shoigu, and focus the attention on him instead while your real goal is destabilization/regime chance and/or being in power yourself.

If something like the above is happening, I‘m pretty sure it can’t succeed and those responsible, including Prigozhin, will be held accountable, and rightfully so IMO.
 
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It could also be a sign that the Ukrainians are about to loose the conflict and/or are unable to fight anymore. And/or that the Ukraine war stops soon and the „coup“ might serve, at least partly, as a distraction in that regard.
Oh, as another possibility, he may just be a patriot given to emotionality, which is increased because he is not happy with the parquet generals and the errors-problems that have occurred in the SMO, he is in a similar impatient position as Many in Russia, people support Putin in the last instance, but many do not understand why he or the high command do what they do, according to their statements, they are not really interested in overthrowing Putin or power, which they want for sure, just like others is an escalation since they see-they think that the high command is playing-learning at the cost of unnecessary loss of Russian lives...

I leave that as a possibility only because the matter is cloudy, especially the alleged attack on Wagner's troops that had triggered all this ( I would say that this could come as a Wonder for Ukraine also in this very difficult moment that it is having with its counteroffensive... although Prigozhin also said that he did not intend to interfere with the SMO with this event).

Now he said that he doesn't plan to go to Moscow and just that he just wants-demands to talk to the high command... after all he only says every day is Shoigu this, Shoigu this another.
 
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RT Headlines:

The TG channel of Russian With Attitude:
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Good morning. Wagner PMC has entered Rostov on Don. Prigozhin claims that the airports and certain milirary objects are under their control

They're now negotiating with famed Russian Generals Evkurov and Alexeev inside the HQ of Southern Military District
In 2014, there was a plan of revolt too?
Kurginyan: A revolt was being planned in Russia, expecting Putin’s assassination
6.12.2020, Moscow.

Strelkov’s fleeing from Slavyansk was part of a plan to prepare a revolt in Russia’s south with the physical elimination of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, political scientist and the leader of the Essence of Time movement Sergey Kurginyan said in an interview to journalist Vladimir Solovyov on the Solovyov Live YouTube channel on December 24.

Kurginyan spoke in detail about the revolt that was being prepared in July 2014, in which one of the actors was the former Defense Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic Igor Strelkov. According to the leader of Essence of Time, he learned about the preparation underway to surrender Donbass when he was visiting Donetsk to set up a hospital there.

“They said ‘Strelkov is feeling from Slavyansk.’ At this moment I felt what I always feel when treason happens. But I had no facts. But then strong evidence began to arrive that this was treason indeed,” Kurginyan stressed.

Then evidence of Strelkov’s talks with members of Right Sector (organization banned in Russia) about a corridor to leave Slavyansk were obtained.

“Then Boroday (then DPR leader ― Rossa Primavera News Agency) said that Strelkov was planning to flee further. And that he had some connections in the Southern District of Russia etc., forming a larger composition,” Kurginyan noted.

According to the expert, this was a joint plan with Ukraine as one element and members of a Russian ultra-nationalist wing group, the National Alliance of Russian Solidarists, as the other.

“The composition stipulated the complete surrender of Donbass and Strelkov’s flight with a revolt in Russia’s south after Putin’s physical elimination,” Kurginyan said,

Answering Solovyov’s question how they were planning to kill the Russian President, Kurginyan reminded of the MH-17 flight shot down over Donbass on July 17, 2014. That day Putin was flying back to Russia, and the Malaysian liner was mistaken for the presidential flight.

“Watch the video where Putin is speaking at the 800th anniversary of Sergius of Radonezh (July 18, the day after the Malaysian Boeing was shot down). The Russian president is always dressed very very sharply, neatly and conservatively. But here his sportcoat was protruding. I think this was because he was wearing body armor under it,” the political scientist noted. Kurginyan stressed that this was a very tense situation, when a revolt could have taken place.

Source: Rossa Primavera News Agency
At the time, the opinions about Strelkov were divided. On August 14, 2014 there was an article on The Saker The Extraordinary Importance of Strelkov and the Coming of the Banderite Caliphate—El Murid.
 
Or Prigozhin is just a pawn who more or less believes what he is saying while he doesn’t realize that he is played by the „CIA“. My bet is on him showing his true colors now though.

I expect Putin now trying to ease the situation by „diplomacy“ trying his best to not act on the lure of taking drastic measures, which could destabilize the climate in russia.

Which could mean, that even if Putin is aware that Prigozhin is a foul apple (if that should be the case), that he will not try to bring Prigozhin to justice, and/or fire him, at least for now.
 
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Which could mean, that even if Putin is aware that Prigozhin is a foul apple (if that should be the case), that he will not try to bring Prigozhin to justice, and/or fire him, at least for now.
I dunno. He's addressing the nation and calling it internal treason. There's no backing down from that, Prigozhin will either be dead or in cuffs before the MOD stands down now.
 
I expect Putin now trying to ease the situation by „diplomacy“ trying his best to not act on the lure of taking drastic measures, which could destabilize the climate in russia.
Putin does not name names and surnames. I won’t be surprised if the rebel Gerasimov and Shoiguzh are eventually arrested.
This is how you wake up at one o'clock on Saturday - and there is a revolution in the country.
It still seems that this is a damn show, and those who are really enemies are the General Staff of the Russian Federation.
 
I dunno. He's addressing the nation and calling it internal treason. There's no backing down from that, Prigozhin will either be dead or in cuffs before the MOD stands down now.

Actually the speech is carefully phrased to avoid any mention of names. Here's what Rybar' said about the speech:

The address of the Commander-in-Chief was both harsh and strange. Despite the clear parallels with the First World War and harshness - yet, Putin stated the need to ensure the integrity of the country and neutralize those who organized the insurgency - the message has a lot of subtle points.

For example, PMCs are recognized as heroes and patriots of the country, who were tricked into the mutiny. For some unknown reason, they do not mention the name of Prigozhin. Putin stresses that he spoke to the commanders of the directions, not the defense minister and the chief of general staff.

The impression is that at this point there is a deliberate emphasis on the fact that the Commander-in-Chief has a dialogue with commanders on the ground, he appreciates the exploits of PMCs, but demonstratively ignores the participants of the conflict - Prigozhin and Shoigu.

Time will tell what this will lead to in the future.
 
Vladimir Putin addressed the nation in the first section of the 10 o'clock news on 1tv

Putin mentions at some point, that in 1917, the victory of Russia was denied due to internal civil strife, with brother killing brother.

He calls for the people in the mutiny to stop, they are committing a crime against Russia, and will have to answer for this. The situation in Rostov on Don, remains difficult, the administrative and military centres are blocked. There are extra measure being taken.
 
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Vladimir Putin addressed the nation in the first section of the 10 o'clock news on 1tv
Machine translation of the Russian text found from the Kremlin site:

Appeal to the citizens of Russia

I appeal to the citizens of Russia, to the personnel of the Armed Forces, law enforcement agencies and special services, to the fighters and commanders who are now fighting in their combat positions, repulsing enemy attacks, doing it heroically - I know, I spoke with commanders of all directions once again last night. I also appeal to those who, by deceit or threats, were dragged into a criminal adventure, pushed onto the path of a grave crime - an armed rebellion.

Russia today is waging a hard fight for its future, repelling the aggression of neo-Nazis and their masters. Virtually the entire military, economic and information machine of the West is directed against us. We are fighting for the life and safety of our people, for our sovereignty and independence. For the right to be and remain Russia, a state with a thousand-year history.

This battle, when the fate of our people is being decided, requires the unification of all forces, unity, consolidation and responsibility. When everything that weakens us must be thrown aside, any strife that our external enemies can and use to undermine us from within.

And therefore, the actions that split our unity are, in fact, apostasy from our people, from our comrades-in-arms who are now fighting on the front. This is a stab in the back to our country and our people.

It was precisely such a blow that was dealt to Russia in 1917, when the country was waging the First World War. But the victory was stolen from her. Intrigues, squabbles, politicking behind the backs of the army and the people turned into the greatest shock, the destruction of the army and the collapse of the state, the loss of vast territories. As a result, the tragedy of the civil war.

Russians killed Russians, brothers - brothers, and all sorts of political adventurers and foreign forces, who divided the country, tore it into pieces, gained selfish profit.

We won't let this happen again. We will protect both our people and our statehood from any threats. Including from internal betrayal.

And what we are faced with is precisely a betrayal. Exorbitant ambitions and personal interests led to treason. To betray our country, our people, and the cause for which, side by side with our other units and subdivisions, the soldiers and commanders of the Wagner group fought and died. The heroes who liberated Soledar and Artyomovsk, the cities and towns of Donbass, fought and gave their lives for Novorossia, for the unity of the Russian world. Their name and glory were also betrayed by those who are trying to organize a rebellion, pushing the country towards anarchy and fratricide. To defeat, in the end, and surrender.

I repeat, any internal turmoil is a deadly threat to our statehood, to us as a nation. This is a blow to Russia, to our people. And our actions to protect the Fatherland from such a threat will be tough. All those who deliberately embarked on the path of betrayal, who prepared an armed rebellion, embarked on the path of blackmail and terrorist methods, will suffer inevitable punishment, will answer both before the law and before our people.

The Armed Forces and other state bodies have received the necessary orders, and additional anti-terrorist measures are now being introduced in Moscow, the Moscow Region and a number of other regions. Decisive actions will also be taken to stabilize the situation in Rostov-on-Don. It remains difficult, the work of civil and military authorities is actually blocked.

As President of Russia and Supreme Commander-in-Chief, as a citizen of Russia, I will do everything to defend the country, protect the constitutional order, lives, security and freedom of citizens.

The one who organized and prepared the military rebellion, who raised arms against his comrades-in-arms, betrayed Russia. And they will answer for it. And I urge those who are being drawn into this crime not to make a fatal and tragic, unique mistake, to make the only right choice - to stop participating in criminal actions.

I believe that we will preserve and defend what is dear and sacred to us, and together with our Motherland we will overcome any trials, we will become even stronger.
 
Those. what happens according to Prigogine.
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided to punish Wagner PMCs for refusing to sign the contract / disobeying. The PMC camp was attacked. PMC moved to Rostov to talk with Shoigu. During the movement, their columns attacked the helicopters of the RF Ministry of Defense. One helicopter was shot down and burnt out. Shoigu escaped from Rostov. Too bad, I'd really like to see him hanged.
There are two genders in Russia now:
"Summer and Crossbows" and "Unreal Emotions". The second is the stupid son-in-law of Shoigu.
This is a very strange show.
 
PMC moved to Rostov to talk with Shoigu. During the movement, their columns attacked the helicopters of the RF Ministry of Defense. One helicopter was shot down and burnt out. Shoigu escaped from Rostov. Too bad, I'd really like to see him hanged.

Well, that is kind of an extreme statement. Why would you say that?

My speculation is as follows: I suspect that Putin and co. have known for a while that Prigozhin is a bad apple and is planning "a coup" and/or someone else in Wagner. That might explain why they were careful in supporting Wagner with weapons and such for months. As far as I know, Prigozhin has repeatedly claimed/complained for months that his Wagner troops "don't get the necessary weapons" "for defending Russia in Ukraine" and that "his troops die because of it". The real reason he wanted the weapons might have been for the coup. And Putin called the bluff.

My bet is on Prigozhin being a bad apple and that far too many Russians have, unfortunately, fallen for his nonsense over the months. The lies Prigozhin has uttered, ever more increasingly over the last months, are just staggering and obvious. He basically started to repeat the Ukrainian/Western propaganda lies about Russia and what is happening in Ukraine. See Beaus post above for some of those obvious lies.
 
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