Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

[f1esk]

No, exactly. Which is why they didn't do it.

Then it turns out that the idea of a coup d'etat is removed? It would be nice if there was no civil revolution. And it won't, I'm sure.
I am worried about the fate of the General Staff, I hope that no matter what you think about it - the General Staff will be headed by Surovikin and then the war will end quickly.

 

[f1esk]

After Putin's speech this morning, it seems very unlikely that this was some sort of ploy to get the West to engage a rushed counter-offensive.

NATO experts may think that there is turmoil in the Russian army and this is the time for a breakthrough, but at this time it may turn out to be a trap. A similar situation with Bakhmut. Well, in fact, we know that the West does not care about the lives of Ukrainians, they will simply send them to slaughter. They will provide them with a beautiful legend about the panic in the Russian army.

 

[youlik]

And now, when the RF Ministry of Defense has decided to suppress PMCs, you are taking the side of the RF Ministry of Defense, and who will fight? Forgotten Syria, Africa?

What does the "side of the Ministry of Defense" have to do with it? I just remembered one of the final scenes from the movie "The Sixth". If you haven't watched it, then look - not a masterpiece, of course, but quite a good Soviet film. So in this scene, the policemen took out an accomplice of bandits who had just shot at a policeman. The gathered people tried to arrange a lynching of this woman, but one policeman decisively stopped these attempts with the words: we will judge, we live in the state - not in a gang. This approach, in my opinion, is correct.

Spoiler: Russian spelling

Причем здесь " сторона министерства обороны"? Я сейчас вспомнил одну из финальных сцен из фильма "Шестой". Если не смотрел, то посмотри- не шедевр, конечно, но вполне добротный советский фильм. Так вот в этой сцене милиционеры выводили на улицу пособницу бандитов, которая только что стреляла в милиционера. Собравшийся народ попытался устроить самосуд над этой женщиной, но один милиционер решительно пресек эти попытки со словами: судить будем, в государстве живем- не в банде. Вот этот подход, по моему, правильный.

 

[Beau]

Then it turns out that the idea of a coup d'etat is removed?

I never called it a coup. This is what I said:

Prigozhin made his moves to try and get Shoigu and Gerasimov unseated but it didn't work and now he'll pay the price for treason.

 

[f1esk]

I never called it a coup. This is what I said:

 

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That is very elaborate f1esk , they are the statements of a third party... although a good eye for saying something?

 

[youlik]

While the situation is getting more complicated

The head of the PMC "Wagner" Prigozhin refused to surrender and lay down his arms
Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of the private military company Wagner, categorically rejected the offer of surrender and the laying down of arms. His statement remains defiant, despite repeated calls for submission from the authorities.

"We fought and continue to fight. All PMCs "Wagner". And none of us is going to give up or turn ourselves in at the request of the president, the FSB or anyone else," Prigozhin said, defending his position and the position of his organization.

The founder of PMC "Wagner" continued, arguing his refusal by emphasizing his dissatisfaction with the current political situation in the country:


"No one is going to turn himself in at the request of the FSB president and someone else, because we don't want the country to live further in corruption, deception and bureaucracy."


Prigozhin's refusal to surrender and his obvious desire to continue actions indicate the offensive position of the Wagner PMCs and, perhaps, promise a sharp aggravation of the situation

Глава ЧВК «Вагнер» Пригожин отказался сдаваться и сложить оружие

PMCs "Wagner" shot down An AN-26 military transport aircraft
The AN-26 plane was shot down by the Wagner PMCs.

War correspondents and eyewitnesses report that units of the Wagner PMCs shot down an AN-26 military transport aircraft. This information is confirmed by the relevant video frames and photographs, in which you can see how the stricken plane is engulfed in flames and falls towards the ground.

Where exactly such an emergency occurred has not yet been clarified, however, the information about the downed AN-26 military aircraft is also confirmed by the well-known retired Russian military pilot Ilya Tumanov (Fighterbomber), noting that the incident occurred today.


A little earlier it became known about the defeat of the Wagner PMCs of three helicopters – two Mi-8 helicopters and one Mi-35 helicopter. Moreover, in the area of the Buturlinovka airfield, a huge column of military equipment of the Wagner PMCs was spotted, among which the presence of the Pantsir-S ZRPC was recorded, as well as a large number of members of the Wagner PMCs with portable anti-aircraft missile systems.


There are no official statements in this regard yet.

ЧВК «Вагнер» сбили военно-транспортный самолёт Ан-26

Front-line aviation began work on the M4 highway where the forces of the Wagner PMCs were spotted
According to preliminary information, the Russian Aerospace Forces are preparing for active operations on key sections of the M4 highway, in order to stop the promotion of the Private Military Company (PMCs) Wagner. The main task facing aviation is to prevent the further advancement of mercenaries. This is reported by Mikhail Zvinchuk.

In the context of the growing conflict, the use of combat aircraft against the units of the Wagner PMCs has been the subject of active discussion since yesterday. Individual cases of the use of aviation means against mercenaries have been recorded.


According to Zvinchuk, airstrikes with the use of bombs (FAB) have already been carried out on the M4 highway. But it should be noted that the main task here is not so much the direct defeat of the columns of PMCs, as the creation of obstacles for their further advancement. The use of bombs can lead to the disabling of certain sections of the road, which, in turn, will complicate the promotion of the Wagner PMCs.


In turn, there are no official statements from the Ministry of Defense on this score yet.

Фронтовая авиация начала работу по трассе М4 где были замечены силы ЧВК "Вагнер"

Residents of Rostov-on-Don opposed the Wagner PMCs and demanded to get out of the city
Residents of Rostov demanded that the PMCs "Wagner" get out of the city.

Residents of Rostov-on-Don oppose the presence of armed formations of the private military company "Wagner" on the territory of the city. Local residents demand that the fighters of the Wagner PMCs get out of the city and move their showdowns to other places without creating an additional threat to civilians.


This is evidenced by numerous video footage, where you can see how residents of Rostov-on-Don angrily express their opinion to the units of the Wagner PMCs about the attempt of an armed rebellion on the territory of the country.


It is reported that by now civilians have been called to leave the main streets of the city, since the situation in the region is heating up extremely quickly, in particular, according to Mikhail Zvinchuk, bomb attacks have already been carried out on the areas of movement of columns of the Wagner PMCs.


The current actions are an armed rebellion and a criminal case has already been initiated against Prigozhin, however, despite the current situation, it has not been completely defused.

Жители Ростова-на-Дону выступили против ЧВК "Вагнер"

 

[Beau]

That is very elaborate f1esk , they are the statements of a third party...

Does it really matter whether it's "coup" or "mutiny" or "betrayal of the motherland?" No idea why you're fixated on that single thing. What matters is understanding the situation with the observable data we have. That's the purpose of this thread and what we should stick to going forward.

 

[f1esk]

That is very elaborate f1esk , they are the statements of a third party... although a good eye for saying something?

There is something to say. When you live in the place where the events take place and constantly get first-hand information, and some pads make strange conclusions for viewers who are on the other side of the world - it really looks complicated. There is clearly a lack of critical thinking.
I was embarrassed to draw conclusions until I figured it out, and when I figured it out, I realized that this was an overton window, I had to watch the events.
But here the experts have already made all the conclusions - Who is right, who is wrong. Prigogine has already been killed and shot. Just a circus and lack of objectivity.

 

[lilies]

Prigozhin's outright criminal background as a thief and a robber, with two trips to prison for various violent crimes, and this is an extremely important indicator of character, which, as we saw today reared its ugly head of a sheer narcissist and, highly likely, asset. Whose asset, we are yet to learn. I guess Lieutenant General Alexeev has some splainin' to do.

/Source article: Andrei Martyanov's Blog/

I guess Lieutenant General Alexeev vouched for Prigozhin. He clearly has mucho explaining to do, especially, when the FSB starts investigating him.

First sign was Prigozhin publicly degraded / debased the leaders of the Russian military as utter trash with swearwords. Remember his video on Twitter? With the not-so-many corpses lying around, since we have seen real casualties that were much-much worse. That raised eyebrows.
Then he was called hyper-patriotic.. Uh-huh..

Looks like Prigozhin really didn't like that Shoigu started his own Patriot PMC and already they are fighting in Ukraine! Also Prigozhin clearly had political ambitions: According to Andrei Martyanov. Anti-Kremlin Oligarch support immediately jumped to push him further. Blitzkrieg to Moscow!

Sure! West now has the real chance to fix both Russia and Ukraine with one master chess stroke! Slava West, Slava NATO! Nuland, Soros and the rest of the demons are probably watching this with bated breaths..

I thought for a moment, when reading this 20 minutes ago, that WTH??! Reality is collapsing?? But, no. Its just a sneaky terrorist action from the West. They created a new playbook.

Historical precedence for his move is Girkin:

Now, about Prigozhin, I can only reference today's piece by my friend Marat Khairullin who explains why Prigozhin is hysterical--it is related to his political ambitions--and that appropriate people and orgs in Russia closely monitor situation and that Prigozhin's fate is largely sealed. He feels it, but being a cook and "businessman" he thinks that going full Girkin will help him--he is very very wrong. But this sense also explains his increasingly hysterical behavior.

Massive success on the battlefield. Still a commander in chief with criminal record.

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Also, another seemingly unrelated weird happening:
Famous Chechen special forces group Akhmat not long ago started a storming operation to end the long ongoing taking of Marinka. The settlement was bombed to ruins, but then Akhmat couldn't take it? Or they were told to re-deploy to North, to create a buffer zone between Belgorod and Ukraine. The weird thing is that they were supposed to achieve this goal together with PMC Wagner.. So about that plan, now what?

Now look what happened today.

 

[Beau]

When you live in the place where the events take place and constantly get first-hand information, and some pads make strange conclusions for viewers who are on the other side of the world - it really looks complicated. There is clearly a lack of critical thinking.

Believe it or not I don't believe everything I read, not even when I link to it here. Nor was anything I said a conclusive statement on the matter. You decry a lack of critical thinking yet make incorrect conclusions yourself.

Are we not allowed to discuss this because we're not in Russia, is this what you're upset about? You can always click the X in the top right corner of your browser if you're really bothered. Maybe take some air and touch a little grass.

 

[Tyomodachi]

/Source article: Andrei Martyanov's Blog/

I guess Lieutenant General Alexeev vouched for Prigozhin. He clearly has mucho explaining to do, especially, when the FSB starts investigating him.

First sign was Prigozhin publicly degraded / debased the leaders of the Russian military as utter trash with swearwords. Remember his video on Twitter? With the not-so-many corpses lying around, since we have seen real casualties that were much-much worse. That raised eyebrows.
Then he was called hyper-patriotic.. Uh-huh..

Looks like Prigozhin really didn't like that Shoigu started his own Patriot PMC and already they are fighting in Ukraine! Also Prigozhin clearly had political ambitions: According to Andrei Martyanov. Anti-Kremlin Oligarch support immediately jumped to push him further. Blitzkrieg to Moscow!

Sure! West now has the real chance to fix both Russia and Ukraine with one master chess stroke! Slava West, Slava NATO! Nuland, Soros and the rest of the demons are probably watching this with bated breaths..

I thought for a moment, when reading this 20 minutes ago, that WTH??! Reality is collapsing?? But, no. Its just a sneaky terrorist action from the West. They created a new playbook.

Historical precedence for his move is Girkin:


Massive success on the battlefield. Still a commander in chief with criminal record.

- - -

Also, another seemingly unrelated weird happening:
Famous Chechen special forces group Akhmat not long ago started a storming operation to end the long ongoing taking of Marinka. The settlement was bombed to ruins, but then Akhmat couldn't take it? Or they were told to re-deploy to North, to create a buffer zone between Belgorod and Ukraine. The weird thing is that they were supposed to achieve this goal together with PMC Wagner.. So about that plan, now what?

Now look what happened today.

I am glad I never liked Prigozhin, a redneck with a criminal record, whose brilliant head came up with the idea that it would be a good idea to recruit criminals to PMCs (who, according to Prigozhin himself, constituted half of Wagner's contingent) and then give them freedom for their service. You don't even need to know what psychopathy is, even average common sense is enough to understand that it is a bad idea to release criminals and consider them reformed by killing enemy soldiers is nonsense (not to mention the fact that Russia itself at the beginning of the war criticized the Ukrainian side for recruiting criminals and then Prigozhin did the same thing)

 

[f1esk]

You can always click the X.

I'm not upset at all. Rather surprised.

 

[Niall]

Those. what happens according to Prigogine.
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided to punish Wagner PMCs for refusing to sign the contract / disobeying. The PMC camp was attacked. PMC moved to Rostov to talk with Shoigu. During the movement, their columns attacked the helicopters of the RF Ministry of Defense. One helicopter was shot down and burnt out. Shoigu escaped from Rostov. Too bad, I'd really like to see him hanged.
There are two genders in Russia now:
"Summer and Crossbows" and "Unreal Emotions". The second is the stupid son-in-law of Shoigu.
This is a very strange show.

Any evidence for this? Because not even hothead Prigozhin claims that hostilities between Wagner and official RU forces have commenced.

As for hating on Shoigu, anyone who believes that he's anything less than Putin's most loyal team-member, and thus an exemplary Russian patriot, has succumbed to the 'clever talk' of 'fork-tongued' agitators.

 

[thorbiorn]

A couple of comments translated from Russian
RKadirov

Friends, the night turned out to be difficult and the flights did not give me time to voice my position on this vile BETRAYAL here!

Everything that is happening is a KNIFE IN the BACK and a real military mutiny!

I have repeatedly warned that war is not the time for voicing personal grievances and resolving disputes in our rear. The rear should always be calm and reliable. Imagine what the guys in the trenches are feeling right now, facing an enemy, and behind them a treacherous adventure. It's about stability, about the cohesion of the state, about the security of citizens.

History shows that such actions can lead to bloody consequences. Don't we have enough losses on our own? Do we still have to create problems inside the country?

We have a Supreme Commander-in-Chief, elected by the people, who knows the whole situation to the smallest detail better than any strategist, and even more so a businessman, he calls the commanders "on the ground" and fully controls the course of his conduct. And the decisions of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief are taken carefully, scrupulously. Each of us sees only one part of the map, and he sees everything at once! And Vladimir Vladimirovich quite correctly noted in his address to the nation - this is a military mutiny! There is no justification for such actions!
I fully support every word of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin!

I appeal to the patriot fighters of our Motherland. Don't be fooled by provocations. No matter what goals you are painted, no matter what promises you are told - the security of the state and the cohesion of Russian society at such a moment is above all! Look at how our enemies in the West are taking advantage of this situation. How many stuffing, how many lies, how many false appeals that frighten our citizens, create the danger of a destabilizing situation. And these are the expected consequences of Prigozhin's treacherous march.

What is happening is not an ultimatum to the Ministry of Defense. This is a challenge to the state, and against this challenge it is necessary to rally everyone around the national leader: the military, security forces, governors, the civilian population.

The fighters of the Ministry of Defense and Rosgvardiya in the Chechen Republic have already left for the zones of tension. We will do everything to preserve the unity of Russia and protect its statehood!

The rebellion must be suppressed, and if it is necessary to take tough measures for this, then we are ready!

Maria Zakharova

We have one commander-in-chief. Not two, not three. One. And he called on everyone to unite.

That's the main thing right now. We all have our own attitude to everything. But there come moments in history when you have to postpone your personal for later. Even if you think you're 100% right. Why? Yes, because if we don't unite now, if everyone stands up for themselves or for their own vision of the situation, nothing will matter anymore.
Only unity. Unity under the banners of the Commander-in-chief.

The enemy is just waiting for our civil strife. Can't wait!

Guys! Behind you are children, women, your parents! The country is behind you. You have everything that you defend with weapons in your hands. Behind you are the graves of those who did not spare themselves. Future generations are behind you. Hold on and don't give in.

I understand that the temptation to put your opinion above the interests of the country and the people is great. But if we only succumb to it, everything for which we live and fight each in his place will crumble.

Unite. You are brothers. You are not protecting the interests of individuals, but all of us. You are protecting your huge family. And we believe in you, as we have always believed and supported you.

Today we are all being tempted, testing for strength. Don't give in! Together with the President! May God protect us!

In English, Lada Ray, originating in Odessa, now living in Thailand, (A New Age multi-talent and commentator, published part of her latest work from her Patreon page, on her TG channel)

Who Prigozhin is helping with all this is very clear when we see that Khodorkovsky applauds him, calling on his supporters to support Prigozhin and join the mutiny!

Meantime, the Kiev false flag/info war center TsIPCO, under US/UK command, is preparing mass internet provocations and fake news attacks on Russian citizens! The goal is to create panic, confusion and incite civil war within Russia!

Note: Wiki for Khodorkovsky, a Russian businessman.
Lada Ray ends:

IMPORTANT CONCLUSION AND PREDICTION!
As I said, the West (CIA/MI6/NATO) assessed that the only way Ukraine 'could win' is by inciting internal conflict and civil war within Russia!!

Per my long-standing predictions:

DESTABILIZATION OF RUSSIA, WITH SUBSEQUENT DISMEMBERMENT OF RUSSIA THE GREAT BALANCER, IS THE NUMBER 1 GOAL OF THE COLLECTIVE WEST!

And as I warned before! Be very, very careful... ️️️

The situation is developing rapidly.